Adding Infinite Mana In The Apocalypse To VSBW Part 1

[Child_of_destiny]

Given, that is in English. Is the novel originally English or is there more context from other languages? The wiki seems to mention translation.

The novel is an original. It's not a translation.

Like, I read Outerversal and Omniverse and Infinite Reality and Higher Existence and Complexity of Existence in the recent changes on the wiki.

The words follow the multiverse definitions, omniverse is just the collective of planes of reality. Outerversal is for a race called Outerversal Morphons. Infinite Reality is the name of a relic the MC uses (not size). Higher Existence is assimilation with power sources outside of that current arc. Complexity is how deeply concentrated their power is(this one is new, isn't explained in much elaboration)

 

[DontTalkDT]

A novel with 40 millions views should be enough in terms of popularity. That it doesn't get accepted for other reasons is another topic entirely.

Thing is, high number of views total isn't the same as high number of views on average.

Like, as Antvasima said:

With so many chapters, the average number of views per chapter is not very high, just roughly 13,300

40 million sounds impressive if that's 40 million individual people reading a decent chunk of the work. If it's just 13,300 reading each chapter it sounds less impressive.

And how do you do so when you don't have ANY way to get an accurate estimate? Will you take all the chapter and divide them by the total views to get yet another arbitrary number?

There is a reason I in many cases advocated against putting just one fixed number as sole measure of notability. Because, yeah, getting accurate stats is meaningful and contextually numbers can mean different things. I don't think there is some easy solution on the matter other than looking at each of the edge cases individually and decide based on the entire context.

The words follow the multiverse definitions, omniverse is just the collective of planes of reality. Outerversal is for a race called Outerversal Morphons. Infinite Reality is the name of a relic the MC uses (not size). Higher Existence is assimilation with power sources outside of that current arc. Complexity is how deeply concentrated their power is(this one is new, isn't explained in much elaboration)

I see.

The novel is an original. It's not a translation.

Huh, so the wiki is wrong then? Too bad, would have made this easier.

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Well, this is certainly an edge case. I could see that passing or being rejected and I wouldn't really think either decision is inconsistent.

I'm leaning to allowing it personally. Mostly because, looking through the internet, I see at least a view posts of Reddit of people actually discussing lore of the story, with replies and stuff. Together with all the other mentioned things like views and stuff Mr. Bambu dug out I can see this being fine.
At least for now.
Quite frankly, if this ends up being used as a slippery slope, I can see us banning it later on.

 

[SweetDao]

Thing is, high number of views total isn't the same as high number of views on average.

Because average numbers of views by a simple division is fair?

40 million sounds impressive if that's 40 million individual people reading a decent chunk of the work. If it's just 13,300 reading each chapter it sounds less impressive.

That's flawed logic. You do know that, out of necessity, the older chapters will have more views than the new ones. That whole "getting an average amount of views" is ridiculous.

Oh look, Shadow Slave has 43 millions views total, if you divide it by the number of chapters, it's around 20K views each, top 1 all time for power-ranking on webnovel btw.

There is a reason I in many cases advocated against putting just one fixed number as sole measure of notability. Because, yeah, getting accurate stats is meaningful and contextually numbers can mean different things. I don't think there is some easy solution on the matter other than looking at each of the edge cases individually and decide based on the entire context.

We agree on this, then. To solve the problem, you NEED to have a staff thread about it. Come on, there isn't even any meaningful mentions of webnovel and their inclusion in the editing rules. I'm not even mentioning the fact that staff members seems to have very different point of view on the matter since the "requirements" are so ambiguous.

 

[Phoenks]

I will add that this work seems heavily influenced by power scaling on top of what I would say is objectively bad wrting.

This is worse than a lot of the worst stuff that FC/OC gets, by an extremely notable degree, IMO.

I recommend that every staff member here just take a glance through some of the chapters before making a decision.

It's almost to the point of being like Suggsverse or Hybrid Mage, only that the author here is not a confirmed power scaler. (Honestly, if you accept this it gives those other verses a way more legitimate case)

Constantly using words like "Omniverse," "Outerverse," "Infiniverse," and etc.

Every single chapter reads the exact same as well. Some bad guy is fighting the good guys. They destroy some arbitrary amount (I mean this literally. There was a line where they said "He destroyed 10 omniverses!" and another where it says "81 Meridians lit up brightly, his gaze currently exceedingly cold!") of cosmological structures. (There is like a million different names of those things)

Literally like half the text of these chapters is them just showing off bigger and stronger attacks by comparing them to the cosmology.

And that was all within some of the most recent chapters (like, I mean the past 20 chapters), where I would've at least expected the writing to have developed. But no, this is just straight up slop.

All I'm saying is, if y'all accept this, just be prepared for what you've unleashed onto this wiki. I guarantee that author and his (few) fans will end up seeing its placement here as well.

And, if nothing else, I thank VSBW for showing me this. Gives me more hope for myself cause if garbage like this can get that much notability, my writer friends and I should be good!

 

[SweetDao]

All I'm saying is, if y'all accept this, just be prepared for what you've unleashed onto this wiki

You mean, it isn't already the case with weird and obscure verses that reach unprecedented level of power while being filled by exaggerated jargon that would make a powerscaling story pale in comparison?

In this source of the Milky Way, all the starry sky and all the time and space are gathered here. In its endless space and time, you cannot cross any boundaries.

The source of the Tianhe River is a drop of Tianhe River. Countless Tianhe River water condenses into countless Tianhe Rivers, and within a drop of Tianhe River water, there are also countless Tianhe Rivers. This is the infinite cycle between Tianhe River and Tianhe River. In this infinite cycle, no great emperor or immortal king can break this cycle of reincarnation. Once lost in the Tianhe River, it will disappear forever.
The sound of "wave -" rang out, and in a moment, Li Qiye could break through all time and space. No time and space could retain Li Qiye, even in the infinite cycle of the Tianhe River, he could not be trapped. As Li Qiye stepped out step by step.

 

[Lycoris4812]

I will add that this work seems heavily influenced by power scaling on top of what I would say is objectively bad wrting.

It’s a power fantasy. And I don’t think it’s influenced by powerscaling at all. Otherwise there would probably be at least an infinite hierarchy or something similar.

Constantly using words like "Omniverse," "Outerverse," "Infiniverse," and etc.

Omniverse is just a bigger multiverse. Outerverse refers to a race. I don’t know where you’re getting infiniverse. I haven’t read the latest chapters.

Every single chapter reads the exact same as well. Some bad guy is fighting the good guys. They destroy some arbitrary amount (I mean this literally. There was a line where they said "He destroyed 10 omniverses!" and another where it says "81 Meridians lit up brightly, his gaze currently exceedingly cold!") of cosmological structures. (There is like a million different names of those things)

And that was all within some of the most recent chapters (like, I mean the past 20 chapters), where I would've at least expected the writing to have developed. But no, this is just straight up slop.

I don’t think you can sum up the story in a few chapters. And none of this matters cause you can’t prove the author is a powerscaler. A lot of authors use worlds like Omniverse. And writing quality doesn’t not matter to an extent. You can just judge a story by reading a couple chapters.

 

[Phoenks]

I can forgive genuine Chinese cultivation novels because

1. They are translated (Often with MTL and novice translators). So they often have somewhat an excuse for poor (perceived) writing quality. (They are also leagues better than this work even after translation)

2. The Chinese culture and novel category genuinely does just breed those sort of works. (No such case here, unless you're a power scaler or power fantasy fan. Most people in the west literally acknowledge that this stuff is pretty awful objectively-speaking)

3. They understand a lot of that cultivation stuff way better and know what they are doing with it. Even if it does end up that way a lot of the time.

4. It is unlikely our wiki or western power scaling in general will have anything to do with them.

 

[Child_of_destiny]

You mean, it isn't already the case with weird and obscure verses that reach unprecedented level of power while being filled by exaggerated jargon that would make a powerscaling story pale in comparison?

Whoever made this translation needs to be put on watch. There is a level of how lazy you need to be for it to get to this.
Or this is just MTL. In which case, it's understandable.

 

[SweetDao]

Whoever made this translation needs to be put on watch. There is a level of how lazy you need to be for it to get to this.
Or this is just MTL. In which case, it's understandable.

Probably MTL, but don't expect the source material to be better.

 

[Phoenks]

I don’t think you can sum up the story in a few chapters. And none of this matters cause you can’t prove the author is a powerscaler. A lot of authors use worlds like Omniverse. And writing quality doesn’t not matter to an extent. You can just judge a story by reading a couple chapters.

I went back through 20+ chapters and they were literally everything I described in my post.

There wasn't a single difference. It was all a bunch of power-scaling slop lol. I don't even think it was a different bad guy. Some "Omnifather" had been going on for all that time.

If you want me to keep going through, I can, but I have little reason to believe it'll be any different.

 

[Child_of_destiny]

Probably MTL, but don't expect the source material to be better.

Yeah I've read Emperor Domination a little bit. It goes around in circles, explaining the same stuff multiple different ways for seemingly no reason.

 

[SweetDao]

I can forgive genuine Chinese cultivation novels because

1. They are translated (Often with MTL and novice translators). So they often have somewhat an excuse for poor (perceived) writing quality. (They are also leagues better than this work even after translation)

2. The Chinese culture and novel category genuinely does just breed those sort of works. (No such case here, unless you're a power scaler or power fantasy fan. Most people in the west literally acknowledge that this stuff is pretty awful objectively-speaking)

3. They understand a lot of that cultivation stuff way better and know what they are doing with it. Even if it does end up that way a lot of the time.

That one translation I sent is very probably MTL, sure, but even if you were to ask a professional translator to translate it, it would still result in slop. Mind you, the novel is currently accepted on the wiki. (Although not that chapter, since it's not available in the current official translation)

If you prefer reading the same term explained over countless paragraph, I guess it's your thing, not mine tho. I'm not even arguing that the one webnovel presented in the OP is better, just that, if Emperor Domination is accepted, I don't see why that one shouldn't. If you want low-quality works to be excluded, please do so, I'll be the first one to support it, but for now, nothing forbid Infinite Mana to be indexed.

 

[Lycoris4812]

I went back through 20+ chapters and they were literally everything I described in my post.

There wasn't a single difference. It was all a bunch of power-scaling slop lol. I don't even think it was a different bad guy. Some "Omnifather" had been going on for all that time.

If you want me to keep going through, I can, but I have little reason to believe it'll be any different.

There’s a difference between power fantasy and power scaling. And none of the words or plot proves it was made for powerscaling.

 

[Phoenks]

There’s a difference between power fantasy and power scaling. And none of the words or plot proves it was made for powerscaling.

I know the actual definition of power fantasy.

I'm using it in the correct manner there, that's why I separated it from power scaling in the first place. I understand there are fans of those kinds of domination fantasy-works.

Thing is, power fantasy in of itself is a genre that is 90+% of the time regarded as being low quality. When people call something a "power fantasy," it is typically not meant to be a compliment.

 

[Lycoris4812]

Thing is, power fantasy in of itself is a genre that is 90+% of the time regarded as being low quality. When people call something a "power fantasy," it is typically not meant to be a compliment.

Which as of now doesn’t matter. Lots of verses on this wiki can be considered power fantasy.

 

[Phoenks]

Look, you are continually and purposefully missing the point.

It isn't just one thing or one genre about it that it that is bad.

It is the entire package put together.

• The writing quality itself is bad.

• The content of the writing is bad.

• The genre is power fantasy (A genre that is acknowledged by most the objectively be pretty "meh" in its potential for storytelling. No different here)

• The writing is clearly power-scaling adjacent. (Literally using "Outerversal" as a terminology, a word COINED by the Vs Battle Wiki)

• The series is not even that popular. (Staff were literally debating it being right on the line of acceptability for this point alone)

• Content is genuinely suspicious to the point that I think there IS a case to say some of it is AI generated (They also use AI generated art, after all).

• This work isn't even a genuine Chinese Xianxia/adjacent power-fantasy-esque novel, so it doesn't even have the same excuses I think could be brought up for works from that region.

So, if you want to go ahead and keep nitpicking the things I'm saying without looking at the entire picture painted in front of you, then be my guest—but that isn't going to change any of the points above.

 

[Antvasima]

Based on what Phoenks and Bambu have said here, I do not think that we should feature this verse in our wiki, and it would likely also set a very bad precedent. My apologies.

 

[Lycoris4812]

The content of the writing is bad.

The writing quality itself is bad.

Which doesn't really matter, and can't be determined by looking through a few chapters.

The genre is power fantasy (A genre that is acknowledged by most the objectively be pretty "meh" in its potential for storytelling. No different here)

Many verses on vsbw are power fantasy. And again doesn't matter.

The writing is clearly power-scaling adjacent. (Literally using "Outerversal" as a terminology, a word COINED by the Vs Battle Wiki)

Theres no proof. And was Outerversal really coined by vsbw? Its not being used the way it is for vsbw.

The series is not even that popular. (Staff were literally debating it being right on the line of acceptability for this point alone)

45 million views on webnovel alone, and people have to pay for chapters. Theres verses on vsbw that have less views.

Content is genuinely suspicious to the point that I think there IS a case to say some of it is AI generated (They also use AI generated art, after all).

No proof, and the ai art is due to lack of actual art. The author has commissed people to make official illustrations.

This work isn't even a genuine Chinese Xianxia/adjacent power-fantasy-esque novel, so it doesn't even have the same excuses I think could be brought up for works from that region.

Its clearly inspired by it, it has a cultivation system and things like Daos.

So, if you want to go ahead and keep nitpicking the things I'm saying without looking at the entire picture painted in front of you, then be my guest—but that isn't going to change any of the points above.

I don't see how any of these points matter.

 

[Lycoris4812]

Based on what Phoenks and Bambu have said here, I do not think that we should feature this verse in our wiki, and it would likely also set a very bad precedent. My apologies.

I would like to wait for spaceman, they seem to want to add it vsbw. I've commented on their profile, so maybe they'll come by soon.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

I went back through 20+ chapters and they were literally everything I described in my post.

There wasn't a single difference. It was all a bunch of power-scaling slop lol. I don't even think it was a different bad guy. Some "Omnifather" had been going on for all that time.

If you want me to keep going through, I can, but I have little reason to believe it'll be any different.

This isn't powerscaling slop. It's power fantasy slop, there's a huge difference. The author himself isn't involved in any battleboarding. The point is of the novel is to be as ridiculous as possible and is as chuuni as it can get. The terms like "outerversal" isn't even used for any cosmology stuff nor is it used like any VSBW definition but instead is just a name for eldritch abominations. Literally just a huge coincidence and usage of a nominal fallacy to automatically associate it.

To say this verse isn't popular at all is super laughable because I've been an active webnovel user and I can certainly remember this novel consistently being in top 10 webnovels for years.

Edit: Also bad writing quality or being a dick measuring contest was never a reason to disqualify something from the wiki so a lot of those points are pretty specious in general. The author doesnt actually use AI art officially and commissions artists. The AI Art on the wiki is completely unofficial. Really the only point of any actual substance was the powerscaler terminology (outerversal, whatever) which in the end is solved by having no actual relation to VSBW. Terms like "omniverse" aren't even powerscaling exclusive and is just a laymans term for something beyond like a multiverse.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Based on what Phoenks and Bambu have said here, I do not think that we should feature this verse in our wiki, and it would likely also set a very bad precedent. My apologies.

Could you reconsider? Because a lot Phoenks points are pretty misleading or just ultimately doesnt matter for if something is allowable or not. It's nowhere near something like a second coming of suggsverse and is just ridiculous power fantasy.

Also saying that it's not popular at all would just be wrong and would also disqualify almost every single webnovel if they dont have numbers even a lot of formally published stuff would struggle a lot to reach. A lot of arguments against popularity are just ignorance on how this webnovel space works and not understanding how insane the arbitrarily set requirements actually are.

 

[Lycoris4812]

I can probably get the number of views the first chapter has, so that's not really a problem. Just might take a couple of days.

 

[Phoenks]

I will no longer comment on this thread.

I still stand by what I said, but I urge staff to go over it and make a decision for themselves. After all they are the ones that determine standards.

For the record, I don't think the series is unpopular enough. But I do think the other stuff also just adds up and contributes to its inability to be on here.

Still, I don't have much of a say in this so yeah.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

I will no longer comment on this thread.

I still stand by what I said, but I urge staff to go over it and make a decision for themselves. After all they are the ones that determine standards.

For the record, I don't think the series is unpopular enough. But I do think the other stuff also just adds up and contributes to its inability to be on here.

Still, I don't have much of a say in this so yeah.

Quick clarification. Do you still stand by the AI point? Because that's just objectively false as none of it is official.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Personally, I don't see any issues.

There are official illustrations of the verse, and the fact that the author initially used AI art due to financial constraints seems reasonable to me. The novel was released four years ago, well before AI-generated content like ChatGPT became widely known or used.

I started reading the novel myself some time ago (though I didn’t finish it), and while it’s not the best work out there, I didn’t notice any signs of blatant power-scaling bait. It’s usually straightforward to identify when a story is written primarily for power-scaling. The author's usually can't help but try to get into high-tiered stuff right away, the story coming second.

The quality of a novel’s writing shouldn’t be a disqualifying factor, especially considering some of the content already on the wiki (Invisible Dragon). Similarly, the fact that it’s a power fantasy shouldn’t be an issue either (Any of our Tier 1 Isekai's; Yogiri, Shallow Vernal, etc)

It also feels inconsistent to accept Japanese and Chinese novels that often lean heavily into exaggerated writing styles that might seem tailored for power scaling, yet hold English novels to a stricter standard. It's an oddly biased approach, especially since Japanese and Chinese web novels have had a significant influence on Western web novel trends.

 

[Lycoris4812]

I started reading the novel myself some time ago (though I didn’t finish it), and while it’s not the best work out there, I didn’t notice any signs of blatant power-scaling bait. It’s usually straightforward to identify when a story is written primarily for power-scaling. The author's usually can't help but try to get into high-tiered stuff right away, the story coming second.

Yeah, he only just became planetary after 500 chapters. Before he wasn't even mountain level. Then he becomes 2-A for a while. It's not like the author spams infinite hierarchies everywhere.

 

[Ar1216789]

Free falling (I agree, this verse should be added.)

 

[Rikimarox2]

I read the series before (like 80 chapters or so), and I myself don't recall any powerscaling jargon. They seem to stem from the latest chapters, ie 1300+ and onward, and tbch, fantasy webnovels that tend to have this many chapters kind of just... devolve into this, majority of the time. I mean, a series about getting higher powers have to put something to showcase its power, and the easiest method is just to keep putting larger and larger structures and threatening to destroy it. A lot of xianxia webnovels are like this at the end.

Also, I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding, but I have no clue whatsoever why people are trying to disqualify the verse because it uses AI art. Regardless if it was official or not, that should never be used as a criteria or smth to see if it should pass here or not. Many authors use AI art simply because it is easy to produce, costs nothing, and is way better than just getting an artwork online made by an artist they are not affiliated with and just stick it to their novel. Thinking that "if they used Ai art then they probably used AI for their writing" is really not the case, people just use it because it's easy and want to have an artwork for their cover so people can see it.

Now, I mentioned that power-fantasy shenanigans just devolve into "Their power can threaten "insert structure here" now!", and how that kind of is the norm for that genre with significant length, but admittedly, the straight up outerversal mention is a bit eh... It seems to be a coincidence, but if there was more of this, then that'd be problematic.

Additionally, many webnovel authors live purely off of the money they get from their novels (and if they accept golden tickets, gifts, etc...) then they are contracted by Webnovel and can't get money from the novel on any other site (including Patreon iirc, unless it is purely donations), so I'd say that they are popular enough to get a pretty good sum of money that allows them to live comfortably. I recall reading somewhere that the top 10 authors are in mid to high range 6-digit range in terms of salary, though I gotta check it again to see if that's true. Obviously, if true, this'll include the author of this work as well (which idk how to feel about considering the quality, but kudos to them).

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Personally, I don't see any issues.

There are official illustrations of the verse, and the fact that the author initially used AI art due to financial constraints seems reasonable to me. The novel was released four years ago, well before AI-generated content like ChatGPT became widely known or used.

I started reading the novel myself some time ago (though I didn’t finish it), and while it’s not the best work out there, I didn’t notice any signs of blatant power-scaling bait. It’s usually straightforward to identify when a story is written primarily for power-scaling. The author's usually can't help but try to get into high-tiered stuff right away, the story coming second.

The quality of a novel’s writing shouldn’t be a disqualifying factor, especially considering some of the content already on the wiki (Invisible Dragon). Similarly, the fact that it’s a power fantasy shouldn’t be an issue either (Any of our Tier 1 Isekai's; Yogiri, Shallow Vernal, etc)

It also feels inconsistent to accept Japanese and Chinese novels that often lean heavily into exaggerated writing styles that might seem tailored for power scaling, yet hold English novels to a stricter standard. It's an oddly biased approach, especially since Japanese and Chinese web novels have had a significant influence on Western web novel trends.

I don't believe it is AI generated (or, at least, not all of it).

The phrases it evokes certainly align with powerscaling terminologies. "Outerverse" is a phrase used elsewhere, but given the verse's already close leaning to powerscaling ideologies, it seems likely this is gleaned if not from us, then from adjacent groups. I find it suspicious if not outright damning.

The writing quality shouldn't be a disqualifier, no, only if it isn't popular enough to be made. That said, my impression is that this isn't as popular as it seems, so we're waiting on the views probe thing to decide one way or the other on that front.

Those novels either shouldn't be accepted, or don't have these issues (by this, I refer to potentially misleading viewcounts, and direct referencing of powerscaling terminology). So. We'll see, I guess.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

I don't believe it is AI generated (or, at least, not all of it).

The phrases it evokes certainly align with powerscaling terminologies. "Outerverse" is a phrase used elsewhere, but given the verse's already close leaning to powerscaling ideologies, it seems likely this is gleaned if not from us, then from adjacent groups. I find it suspicious if not outright damning.

The writing quality shouldn't be a disqualifier, no, only if it isn't popular enough to be made. That said, my impression is that this isn't as popular as it seems, so we're waiting on the views probe thing to decide one way or the other on that front.

Those novels either shouldn't be accepted, or don't have these issues (by this, I refer to potentially misleading viewcounts, and direct referencing of powerscaling terminology). So. We'll see, I guess.

Here it's not used at all how it's used on any powerscaling wiki nor really that much of a cosmology term but is instead a term for eldritch related things.

This shouldn't really affect things considering its nothing like any scaling definition.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Here it's not used at all how it's used on any powerscaling wiki nor really that much of a cosmology term but is instead a term for eldritch related things.

This shouldn't really affect things considering its nothing like any scaling definition.

The Cthulhu Mythos was the absolute definition of 1-A stuff, for a rather long time. I wouldn't cut the connection yet. I'd like to look into it more in the meantime.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

The Cthulhu Mythos was the absolute definition of 1-A stuff, for a rather long time. I wouldn't cut the connection yet. I'd like to look into it more in the meantime.

What I'm trying to say is they have no traditional descriptions of "Outerversal" like being "beyond dimensions" but that this stuff is called "Outerversal" because it's stuff related to vaguely eldritch/alien (bunch of tentacles) things while there's nothing at all related to what would actually make it 1-A.

If the author had powerscaling intent he sure as hell would've just said "The Outerversal Morphons are beyond all dimensionality/concepts of dimensions/yap etc" or something to that effect.

 

[SweetDao]

The Cthulhu Mythos was the absolute definition of 1-A stuff, for a rather long time. I wouldn't cut the connection yet. I'd like to look into it more in the meantime.

The term itself didn't even originate from VSBW in the first place, why are we interpreting it as "a link to power scaling" ?

You have a novel written in 2013 that uses the term for in-verse stuff when the term itself wasn't even in the wiki until August 2016. Mind you, I'm picking only a single example, I'm sure there are more out there.

Similarly, Phoenks pointed out the term "infiniverse" being used when...it's something that existed as far as 1990 (not even counting earlier mention of the term). I'm not even mentioning the existence of "cosmverses" in the scan, since it's the same goofy ass term that one could find in a power fantasy.

 

[Livinmeme]

You have a novel written in 2013 that uses the term for in-verse stuff when the term itself wasn't even in the wiki until August 2016. Mind you, I'm picking only a single example, I'm sure there are more out there.

The term came from Jungle whatever, if my memory serves correct, anyways, I think it is pretty "narcisistic" to assume that someone using a term that the wiki popularized means than that person has knowledge of this place to begin with.

 

[SweetDao]

The term came from Jungle whatever, if my memory serves correct, anyways, I think it is pretty "narcisistic" to assume that someone using a term that the wiki popularized means than that person has knowledge of this place to begin with.

Personally, I just see it as "outer= outside" + "verse = universe", so if it's an outerverse threat or being, it's just a being outside the (regular) universe.

Because, if somehow the word itself is warranting deletion, then we better change the guidelines to include such a rule.

 

[Lycoris4812]

I'd like to add that the infiniverse is Noahs pocket dimension. He has a habit of naming stuff with infinite in them. Before it was infinite galaxy, universe, cosmos, etc.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

The term itself didn't even originate from VSBW in the first place, why are we interpreting it as "a link to power scaling" ?

You have a novel written in 2013 that uses the term for in-verse stuff when the term itself wasn't even in the wiki until August 2016. Mind you, I'm picking only a single example, I'm sure there are more out there.

Similarly, Phoenks pointed out the term "infiniverse" being used when...it's something that existed as far as 1990 (not even counting earlier mention of the term). I'm not even mentioning the existence of "cosmverses" in the scan, since it's the same goofy ass term that one could find in a power fantasy.

VSBW popularized the term in a particular vector of meaning. I'm aware it has been (sparingly) used elsewhere. It is more considerable here due to this genre of fiction having an above average link to power scaling concepts in general. That is why. As I said, I'll look into it more.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I want to note for the OP that Phoenks is not an administrator, or any rank of staff. If the votes counted are meant to solely be those with a say in the end result (which seems to be the case), that'n ought to be removed.

 

[Livinmeme]

Omniverse

Lets kick ben 10 then.

 

[Livinmeme]

Every single chapter reads the exact same as well. Some bad guy is fighting the good guys. They destroy some arbitrary amount (I mean this literally. There was a line where they said "He destroyed 10 omniverses!" and another where it says "81 Meridians lit up brightly, his gaze currently exceedingly cold!") of cosmological structures. (There is like a million different names of those things)

That is just xianxia.