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It's on Black Swan's profile so it's valid.
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Acheron vs Yhwach
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Last time someone mentioned that, the staff strictly says that a CRT must be made
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Just stop with the bleach threads, until the profiles are fixed, literally every bleach supporter has said this.
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they just love making bleach matchups while causing headache for both sides
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Wth is Solar Manipulation?, seriously, who the hell make that profile, and resist solar storm mean resist Solar Manipulation? What.
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Time Stop + Dimensional BFR that brings him over to the Horizon of Existence with all the passives there after unsheathing her sword — Almighty wouldn't work, other than Acausality Type 2 it's just Acheron's Naught being able to cut down things like Fate (Her Fate Manipulation)
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None of these kill him. Yhwach can survive even his fundamental erasure (concept).
Time stop can not neg fate manipulation. Obviously not a powerful one like almighty.
Almighty can bypass type 4 and was effective and pinnacle of power in a timeless/time stop world (stagnant chaotic world)
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High-Godly Regeneration isn't listed on the profile, and you'd be dead wrong if you said it's only conceptual erasure because it's not just that.
1-A+ Time Stop + Fate Manipulation (Acheron being able to cut down fate) though
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Maybe try putting her against other 1-A characters?
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I bumped the Ruphas one but it doesn't get any attention despite Ruphas is going to be 1-A+
And, March 7 vs Yhwach is stomp even though March has like 1-A+ Ice or something
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What I'm saying if he can survive even fundamental erasure, the next thing that can deal with such fies are plot erasure.
He will have it very soon.
Time stop having anything to fate manipulation is misconception and outdated argument. Heck even time shouldn’t have anything on fate manipulation.
I have no idea about her fate manipulation being 1A. But fate manipulation on that scale would obviously overwhelm yhwach.
Though being able to rewrite possibilities itself across infinote timeline is a terrifying fate manipulation nonth the less.
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Conceptual + information type 2 + history erasure + dimensional bfr.
His regen can't come back from info type 2 or history erasure. Plus, he only resisted his concept getting changed, not erased.
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Eh??, from the profile, he only resist concept hax that change or erase name, and iirc, erase name only erase power, not erase someone from existence?
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Plus its just type 2, not type 1 that Acheron has
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Almighty is kinda a passive thing, and Yhwach will realize that it doesn't work almost immediately because of it
Yhwach would probably resort to anything else he has, which could 1 shot as several of his Schrifts can actually work on Acheron (Yourself, X Axis, Explode, Death-Dealing, Compulsory), or use a defensive Schrift (Miracle/Viability Mid Godly Regen, Vanishing Point Nonexistence, X Axis Intangibility (pretty sure Acheron can't deal with X-Axis, Lillie is already a soul, and he can't be touched by other souls, is this layered?)) to protect himself, as Acheron has no answers to any of these.
Although if Yhwach doesn't use his defensive stuf, Acheron just has to draw her sword, plus their ranges are similar, so ig incon?
Tldr:
If Yhwach uses smthn Acheron resists immediately after realizing Almighty doesn't work, Acheron EE gg
If Yhwach uses smthn that Acheron DOESNT resist, then it's either incon or Yhwach wins cuz he either doesn't use any defensive hax and they kill each other, or Yhwach uses defensive hax, kills her, and he lives
then again, there's another wincon for Yhwach:
just hit her
Acheron in Base scales above 10.53 ZettaFoe due to being beyond the likes of the Trailblazer, who is at that value. Unsheathing her sword makes her even stronger
Yhwach scales to Bankai Ichigo, who is 460.3 Zettafoe, and became even stronger after absorbing Ichigo's quincy powers
Yhwach is a lot stronger than Acheron already, so what's stopping him from just killing her with anything? I don't see any defensive hax that can help Acheron in this fight, no regeneration, no resurrection, nothing. Yhwach can just kill her the old fashioned way. Am i missing something here?
Yhwach would probably resort to anything else he has, which could 1 shot as several of his Schrifts can actually work on Acheron (Yourself, X Axis, Explode, Death-Dealing, Compulsory), or use a defensive Schrift (Miracle/Viability Mid Godly Regen, Vanishing Point Nonexistence, X Axis Intangibility (pretty sure Acheron can't deal with X-Axis, Lillie is already a soul, and he can't be touched by other souls, is this layered?)) to protect himself, as Acheron has no answers to any of these.
Although if Yhwach doesn't use his defensive stuf, Acheron just has to draw her sword, plus their ranges are similar, so ig incon?
Tldr:
If Yhwach uses smthn Acheron resists immediately after realizing Almighty doesn't work, Acheron EE gg
If Yhwach uses smthn that Acheron DOESNT resist, then it's either incon or Yhwach wins cuz he either doesn't use any defensive hax and they kill each other, or Yhwach uses defensive hax, kills her, and he lives
then again, there's another wincon for Yhwach:
just hit her
Acheron in Base scales above 10.53 ZettaFoe due to being beyond the likes of the Trailblazer, who is at that value. Unsheathing her sword makes her even stronger
Yhwach scales to Bankai Ichigo, who is 460.3 Zettafoe, and became even stronger after absorbing Ichigo's quincy powers
Yhwach is a lot stronger than Acheron already, so what's stopping him from just killing her with anything? I don't see any defensive hax that can help Acheron in this fight, no regeneration, no resurrection, nothing. Yhwach can just kill her the old fashioned way. Am i missing something here?
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How does Yhwach survive getting nuked by the imaginary energy first?(He doesnt) The Almight doesnts work but he gets shit on by her instantly without the sword sheated anyway
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she gets shit on by literally anything Yhwach does as well.
also, you failed to mention how Imaginary Energy bypasses any of the defensive hax Yhwach has
tbf idk much about imaginary energy but hitting someone with 1A AP doesn't change the fact that that same someone has intangibility and Mid Godly and a lot more stuff. idk much more than that
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It bypasses all the defense simply because it's 1-A+ in hax potency, and for Mid-Godly — Doesn't everything that Acheron does involves something that's above this level of regeneration anyways?
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Because imaginary energy is 1-A hax not just AP. He dies instantly. Everyone in HSR or HI3 has some kind of resistance or ability to interact with Imaginary energy Yhwach doesnt, he just dies
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Yhwach cannot use multiple Schrifts I believe, and Acheron has like Mid Regeneration at the least so that wouldn't be an option either
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Yhwach cant even leave horizon of existence so hes just stuck there long enough for acheron to win
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that's a very poor explanation.
I need you to dumb it down a lot of notches. Hitting someone with any amount of AP shouldn't bypass defensive hax
also wdym "1A Hax", what hax? what does that entail?
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Imaginary Energy (Honkai)
Paths are congregations of Imaginary energy, born as manifestations of universal philosophical concepts. Those who believe in and practice the concepts behind a certain path become Pathstriders,[1] and the path that they happen to follow will change in accordance with their own philosophies and...
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Well, it bypasses them since it's more than what they can resist — It would need for the defensive hax to scale on the same level which is 1-A+, Imaginary Energy is 1-A+ in nature and it has stuff like Conceptual Type 1 + Law Manipulation with other stuff based on that especially Imaginary Imprisonment.
Hax
Hax is a catch-all term for abilities that can be used to ignore/bypass one or more of a target's statistics, rendering them irrelevant. The most common hax are the ones that ignore durability, and their scale/potency are unrelated to their users' AP & Tier, however, they can be measured with...
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ah
so it's not a "Goku is a 3D being with 4D power so he can't hurt intangible 3D beings with it" situation
ok then
still
Acheron is still a killable person with a 46 times AP disadvantage
Yhwach kills her with pretty much everything
so wouldn't that just be incon? Almighty not working is a non factor cuz a passive thing not working is something Yhwach would immediately realize anyways, so he'd just do something else
so it's not a "Goku is a 3D being with 4D power so he can't hurt intangible 3D beings with it" situation
ok then
still
Acheron is still a killable person with a 46 times AP disadvantage
Yhwach kills her with pretty much everything
so wouldn't that just be incon? Almighty not working is a non factor cuz a passive thing not working is something Yhwach would immediately realize anyways, so he'd just do something else
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Because her imaginary energy is passive he just dies without realizing anything at all
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I'm not sure that's how it works
Acheron can stand next to normal humans in the game without just offing them from existence
she has to do something to kill him
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Imaginary Energy or Honkai Energy isn't passive, like lol, they never constantly release the energy every moment, not everyone is a uncontrollable herrscher who run rampage, of course the moment Acheron use her move the opposition is doomed
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so Acheron releases enery and Yhwach dies
Yhwach does anything and Acheron also dies
Yhwach can kill with just his AP alone
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I don't really care about this matchup, but this is just wrong. Current Honkai energy page has every p&a in the standard effects as passives.
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Essentially falls down to however acts first. She just need to swing her sword's scabbard for the effect to occur since she doesnt instantly pulls her sword normally.
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Aren't no way, are you guys truly playing the game?, it is passive within the energy, if the energy make contact with thing, it hax the victim, if not?, no, passive just mean the effect do not need activation, not mean passively hax at the start of the match, the energy's haxes is passive, but the user need to active and use the energy
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The corruption can spread by touching weapons empowered with Honkai Energy,or through exposure and non-physical contact,
the bolded scan litteraly shows a man getting passively corupted by gem thats just trapped inside the glass tube, and it shows no one activating it i dont know what are you on about that but okay.
Also you are derailing the matchup by arguing honkai energy shit that acheron doesnt even have.
now for IMG energy, not sure how is that passive but i assume its that all the abilities listed on imaginary energy page are passively used when people with IMG manipulation use it.
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Which is undoubtedly faster than Yhwach's abilities in the first place, through her intelligence — I believe Acheron could deduce the fact that Yhwach is using Almighty on her passively and then pulls out her sword before Yhwach manages to do anything. I mean even the slightest bit causes time stop anyways AND imaginary energy.
Voting Acheron, even if both sides have their own wincons. I don't really see a valid reason that Yhwach is going to be able to use his Schrift abilities before Acheron pulls out her sword. Oh yeah, about the AP thing: It only works if Acheron still decides to play it casual with Yhwach and I'm sure through her intelligence, she wouldn't do that kind of stuff anyways — Even if Acheron somehow gets hit which is unrealistic, she has Mid Regeneration to back it up..
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Wtf?, the energy literally need to be released and people need to make into it close range, your scan literally goes against what you implying
Edit: my point when mentiom HE is just stop people from arguing Acheron can passively hax her opponent just by standing
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i dont even think it was mentioned that she can passively hax yhwach by standing, quote it if you find it.
the other passives are from horizon of existence where she can BFR yhwach to, and supposedly abilities from img energy which i dont know if thats true
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Nah thats on me i thought just like honkai energy,imaginary energy is passive but he says it aint
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Nah HI energy is passive but imaginary energy isnt, but she can still use imaginary energy to kill yhwach as its 1-A+ along with BFR into Horizon of Existence that has passive haxes that are also 1-A+ and he cant get out of there since he will constantly die
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