Acheron vs Yhwach

[Shar122]

Acheron (Honkai: Star Rail)

Raiden Bosenmori Mei (雷電忘川守らいでんぼうせんもり芽衣めい?), more commonly known as "Acheron", is a drifter claiming to be a Galaxy Ranger. She walks the cosmos alone, carrying with her a long sword. Though aloof and taciturn, her blade flicks out like lashing lightning. And yet, she always strikes with her...

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Yhwach

Yhwach (ユーハバッハ, Yūhabahha?) is the Father of the Quincy, the monarch of the Wandenreich, and the son of the Soul King, known by the designation "A" - The Almighty. As a baby, Yhwach was incapable of sight, speech, or even the slightest movement, but never feared or despaired, as he knew he would...

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Acheron at her peak

Yhwach (With Almighty + Shriffts)

Speed equalized

Acheron:

Yhwach: Johner2133451

Incon:

 

[Catbowtie]

Why...

 

[Shar122]

Why...

Cuz yes

 

[Shar122]

Hmh..

 

[KingogKings777]

March 7th

 

[Shar122]

March 7th

Well, Can just Yhwach absorb her?

 

[KingogKings777]

Well, Can just Yhwach absorb her?

Ice gg

 

[PedjaTarzan]

1 hax (that has to land) vs Trillion hax (zanka no tachi passive heat is enough)
Better change characters

 

[Voidnether]

Change the matchup to Acheron mfw

 

[Shar122]

Change the matchup to Acheron mfw

Aight

 

[Shar122]

Change the matchup to Acheron mfw

So what changed?

 

[Voidnether]

So what changed?

Acheron resists Yhwach's Almighty (Her Acausality Type 2 feats) which in-turn would require Yhwach to use his Schrift (Though in-character wise, he doesn't use them apparently but since he cannot use Almighty, it's going to force Yhwach to use Schrift since in-character wise he'll do anything to win)

Both have their own wincons, Yhwach could kill Acheron through his Schrift and Acheron could pull out her sword and end the battle (The moment she pulls out the sword, space-time freezes instantly and I don't think I have to explain the rest after this since it's just 1-A+ hax like Void Manipulation, Existence Erasure and Causality Manipulation)

That's probably it.. I'm neutral for now though

 

[Shar122]

Acheron resists Yhwach's Almighty (Her Acausality Type 2 feats) which in-turn would require Yhwach to use his Schrift (Though in-character wise, he doesn't use them apparently but since he cannot use Almighty, it's going to force Yhwach to use Schrift since in-character wise he'll do anything to win)

Both have their own wincons, Yhwach could kill Acheron through his Schrift and Acheron could pull out her sword and end the battle (The moment she pulls out the sword, space-time freezes instantly)

That's probably it.. I'm neutral for now though

Damn, I'm leaning towards Acheron, Yhwach will activate his Almighty first, But after he realized he can't see her future. Acheron already pulls out her sword + GG

 

[Adam1396]

Yhwach should one shot with visionary.
Yhwach has much more wincons

 

[helello100]

Yhwach should one shot with visionary.
Yhwach has much more wincons

She resists reality manipulation due to being an emanator and resisting imaginary energy.

 

[helello100]

Also due to being an emanator she has access to this passively 1-A+ much faster than Yhwach's passives
She still has passives without the sword out.

 

[Voidnether]

Also due to being an emanator she has access to this passively 1-A+ much faster than Yhwach's passives
She still has passives without the sword out.

"Much faster" and it's just:

Matches in which characters with Immeasurable speed lose against non-immeasurable passive abilities would likewise not be added, as the Immeasurable characters would normally be faster than the instantaneous passives.

 

[helello100]

"Much faster" and it's just:

I meant her passives are faster than the yhwach's not herself. If it wasnt speed equalized Yhwach has no wincon anyway

 

[Johner2133451]

I think Yhwach would win because of these

1. Layered invisibility so Acheron cannot see him in the first place

• Likely Enhanced Invisibility (Ichigo Implies that Shinigami and hollows are similarly hard to perceive)

2. Passive poison that induces death manip as Yhwach has hollow physiology

• Corruption (Type 2: which causes Poison Manipulation/Power Reduction/Death Manipulation) (Hollow's passive existence/Reiryoku is innately poisonous to those without antibodies against them, just being around them causes these people's souls to erode away and die, as well as causing their spiritual powers to decrease)

3. Yhwach has the Balance which is a passive ability that Yhwach uses in character

• The Balance:
  • Probability Manipulation, Damage Transferal, Limited Causality Manipulation & Durability Negation (At night, Yhwach and Jugram Haschwalth switch Schrifts, granting Yhwach The Balance and Jugram The Almighty due to the fact they are both one side of a balanced scale. The Balance is Haschwalth's Schrift that allows him to manipulate the fortune and misfortune that occurs within his sphere of influence, all good fortune experienced by the opponent in causing injury to him will be directed back to them as misfortune of the same magnitude. This ability can be used to kill people the user could not even harm before. This ability can normally only be used by Yhwach at night, however after Jugram's death, Yhwach can possibly use this ability normally)

4. Yhwach has passive multi layered fear manip via his schrift "The Fear"

The Fear:

• Passive & Enhanced Fear Manipulation (3 Layer), Perception Manipulation & Limited Death Manipulation (Äs Nödt's "The Fear" can induce a strong sense of fear, even at an instinctive level. The Fear creates true and causeless fear in his opponent. The Fear can manipulate fear on such a level that it causes his victim to die, Hallucinations resulting from Äs Nödt's fear distort his victims' perceptions. While fighting Nödt, Byakuya lost many of his battle senses, but this effect can be negated through sheer willpower alone)

 

[helello100]

I think Yhwach would win because of these

1. Layered invisibility so Acheron cannot see him in the first place

• Likely Enhanced Invisibility (Ichigo Implies that Shinigami and hollows are similarly hard to perceive)

2. Passive poison that induces death manip as Yhwach has hollow physiology

• Corruption (Type 2: which causes Poison Manipulation/Power Reduction/Death Manipulation) (Hollow's passive existence/Reiryoku is innately poisonous to those without antibodies against them, just being around them causes these people's souls to erode away and die, as well as causing their spiritual powers to decrease)

3. Yhwach has the Balance which is a passive ability that Yhwach uses in character

• The Balance:
  • Probability Manipulation, Damage Transferal, Limited Causality Manipulation & Durability Negation (At night, Yhwach and Jugram Haschwalth switch Schrifts, granting Yhwach The Balance and Jugram The Almighty due to the fact they are both one side of a balanced scale. The Balance is Haschwalth's Schrift that allows him to manipulate the fortune and misfortune that occurs within his sphere of influence, all good fortune experienced by the opponent in causing injury to him will be directed back to them as misfortune of the same magnitude. This ability can be used to kill people the user could not even harm before. This ability can normally only be used by Yhwach at night, however after Jugram's death, Yhwach can possibly use this ability normally)

4. Yhwach has passive multi layered fear manip via his schrift "The Fear"

The Fear:

• Passive & Enhanced Fear Manipulation (3 Layer), Perception Manipulation & Limited Death Manipulation (Äs Nödt's "The Fear" can induce a strong sense of fear, even at an instinctive level. The Fear creates true and causeless fear in his opponent. The Fear can manipulate fear on such a level that it causes his victim to die, Hallucinations resulting from Äs Nödt's fear distort his victims' perceptions. While fighting Nödt, Byakuya lost many of his battle senses, but this effect can be negated through sheer willpower alone)

1-Acheron Can see/sense BlackSwan who cant be seen by people who can see invisinble beings.
2-Acheron soul is info type 2 Yhwach cant interact with it
3-Her own probability manipulation and resistance to casuality manipulation counters this.
4-She resisted IX's Aura Which i believe have all of these to 1-A+ scale
5- He gets hit by her passives first

 

[Johner2133451]

1-Acheron Can see/sense BlackSwan who cant be seen by people who can see invisinble beings.
2-Acheron soul is info type 2 Yhwach cant interact with it
3-Her own probability manipulation and resistance to casuality manipulation counters this.
4-She resisted IX's Aura Which i believe have all of these to 1-A+ scale

1. Not on the profile so you have to make a CRT to give Acheron layered enhanced senses
2. Not just the soul but also effecting the physical body itself
3. Yhwach would just collect her fortunes
4. There is no fear manip resists on Acheron's profile

 

[helello100]

1. Not on the profile so you have to make a CRT to give Acheron layered enhanced senses
2. Not just the soul but also effecting the physical body itself
3. Yhwach would just collect her fortunes
4. There is no fear manip resists on Acheron's profile

Well i guess thats on the HSR page crew
Still gets f*cked by her passives first

 

[Johner2133451]

Well i guess thats on the HSR page crew
Still gets f*cked by her passives first

It's speed equalized tho?

 

[Shar122]

It's speed equalized tho?

It is, but I don't know if it affect passives.

 

[helello100]

It's speed equalized tho?

Speed only equalizes the character speed not passives

 

[Johner2133451]

Speed only equalizes the character speed not passives

Where that's stated?

 

[helello100]

Where that's stated?

Nowhere and doesnt needed to be
Speed equalization, equalizes the speed of the characters as the page tells. Passive haxes dont get equalized because its in the name they are passive and active if you are inside their range or do whatever triggers them, you are affected and some passives are faster than others determined by their potency.
Since Acheron's Passives are Smurf 1-A+...you get the point
In order for haxes speed to be equalized we need stat equalization but then the thread is needed to be in Fun and Games

 

[Johner2133451]

Nowhere and doesnt needed to be
Speed equalization, equalizes the speed of the characters as the page tells. Passive haxes dont get equalized because its in the name they are passive and active if you are inside their range or do whatever triggers them, you are affected and some passives are faster than others determined by their potency.
Since Acheron's Passives are Smurf 1-A+...you get the point
In order for haxes speed to be equalized we need stat equalization but then the thread is needed to be in Fun and Games

I prefer to get a staff here then to clarify regarding passives speed

 

[helello100]

I prefer to get a staff here then to clarify regarding passives speed

Yeah it would be better i might be wrong the site had many changes in a short time

 

[Johner2133451]

But assuming if passives are equalized since passive speed is apart of speed (obviously), Yhwach would win because the things I mentioned

I think Yhwach would win because of these

1. Layered invisibility so Acheron cannot see him in the first place

• Likely Enhanced Invisibility (Ichigo Implies that Shinigami and hollows are similarly hard to perceive)

2. Passive poison that induces death manip as Yhwach has hollow physiology

• Corruption (Type 2: which causes Poison Manipulation/Power Reduction/Death Manipulation) (Hollow's passive existence/Reiryoku is innately poisonous to those without antibodies against them, just being around them causes these people's souls to erode away and die, as well as causing their spiritual powers to decrease)

3. Yhwach has the Balance which is a passive ability that Yhwach uses in character

• The Balance:
  • Probability Manipulation, Damage Transferal, Limited Causality Manipulation & Durability Negation (At night, Yhwach and Jugram Haschwalth switch Schrifts, granting Yhwach The Balance and Jugram The Almighty due to the fact they are both one side of a balanced scale. The Balance is Haschwalth's Schrift that allows him to manipulate the fortune and misfortune that occurs within his sphere of influence, all good fortune experienced by the opponent in causing injury to him will be directed back to them as misfortune of the same magnitude. This ability can be used to kill people the user could not even harm before. This ability can normally only be used by Yhwach at night, however after Jugram's death, Yhwach can possibly use this ability normally)

4. Yhwach has passive multi layered fear manip via his schrift "The Fear"

The Fear:

• Passive & Enhanced Fear Manipulation (3 Layer), Perception Manipulation & Limited Death Manipulation (Äs Nödt's "The Fear" can induce a strong sense of fear, even at an instinctive level. The Fear creates true and causeless fear in his opponent. The Fear can manipulate fear on such a level that it causes his victim to die, Hallucinations resulting from Äs Nödt's fear distort his victims' perceptions. While fighting Nödt, Byakuya lost many of his battle senses, but this effect can be negated through sheer willpower alone)

 

[VoidGoji]

Fear haxxing Acheron will just make her use her haxes faster, besides passive. The instant she uses that sword, he is dead

 

[Johner2133451]

Fear haxxing Acheron will just make her use her haxes faster, besides passive. The instant she uses that sword, he is dead

Bleach's fear haxes would just make you paralysis, incapable of doing anything

 

[Johner2133451]

And not only that, the fear manip also induces death manip

• Passive & Enhanced Fear Manipulation (3 Layer), Perception Manipulation & Limited Death Manipulation (Äs Nödt's "The Fear" can induce a strong sense of fear, even at an instinctive level. The Fear creates true and causeless fear in his opponent. The Fear can manipulate fear on such a level that it causes his victim to die, Hallucinations resulting from Äs Nödt's fear distort his victims' perceptions. While fighting Nödt, Byakuya lost many of his battle senses, but this effect can be negated through sheer willpower alone)

 

[VoidGoji]

RUkia was using her stuff still, plus it wasn't instant

 

[Johner2133451]

RUkia was using her stuff still, plus it wasn't instant

Alright then, Yhwach still have his other passives like Death Dealing which induces resistance negation poison + paralysis

• Poison Manipulation, Durability Negation & Limited Transmutation (Askin can control the 'Lethal Doses' of any substance he is exposed to within his range, effectively allowing him to turn anything into a deadly poison. Even oxygen, hydrogen, blood and Reishi can be affected by The Death-Dealing)
• Information Analysis (Askin is able to calculate the letal dosage of a given substance through The Death-Dealing)
• Resistance Negation, Enhanced Poison Manipulation & Enhanced Paralysis Inducement (Gift Bad creates a "pool" of poison that lowers it's victims resistance to a selected substance, effectively making that substance extremely poisonous to them. For example, Askin can lower your resistance to Reishi, which causes it to posion you. Askin can use this to poison someone to the point of paralysis)
• Further Enhanced Poison Manipulation, Sleep Manipulation & Energy Projection (Gift Ball creates a small ball of moving Poison that can instantly knock out it's victims on contact)
• Matter Manipulation (Atomic - Askin can infuse his Gift Ball with Oxygen, Nitrogen and Reishi)

 

[Voidnether]

But assuming if passives are equalized since passive speed is apart of speed (obviously), Yhwach would win because the things I mentioned

No, it's not. I already quoted it before from here:

Matches in which characters with Immeasurable speed lose against non-immeasurable passive abilities would likewise not be added, as the Immeasurable characters would normally be faster than the instantaneous passives.

Bleach's fear haxes would just make you paralysis, incapable of doing anything

• Pocket Reality Manipulation, Dimensional BFR & Black Hole Creation (Acheron can send people to the "Horizon of Existence", often referred to as the Border of Nihility,[22] an endless domain that stands between the boundary of nonexistence under IX's shadow,[30] where there is one of the thousands of IX's manifestations and time is frozen.[20][31] Those who end up at the Horizon will irreversibly move towards the Border with no possibility of escape[22])

That should be paralysis inducement, and Acheron could resist the Horizon of Existence — It's not listed anyways

Yeah, uh, main problem I have with this is that while Yhwach will try everything to win (his in-character) — He cannot use multiple Schrifts, no? He has to use them one by one, this discards the "Passive" stuff & If he decides to use Schrift at this point even though he despises them.. I mean, it'll have Acheron to be stupid enough after all this not to unsheathe her sword

 

[Johner2133451]

No, it's not. I already quoted it before from here:



That should be paralysis inducement, and Acheron could resist the Horizon of Existence — It's not listed anyways

Yeah, uh, main problem I have with this is that while Yhwach will try everything to win (his in-character) — He cannot use multiple Schrifts, no? He has to use them one by one, this discards the "Passive" stuff & If he decides to use Schrift at this point even though he despises them.. I mean, it'll have Acheron to be stupid enough after all this not to unsheathe her sword

So passives still equalized right? Act as if it's an action but faster

Well from what I learned from the Ichigo vs March 7th match, you would need a CRT to have it approved

I don't know where it says he cannot use multiple schrifts

 

[Voidnether]

So passives still equalized right? Act as if it's an action but faster

No, since it's not an immeasurable passive.
This match wouldn't be added if Acheron loses against non-immeasurable passives like what Yhwach has.

Well from what I learned from the Ichigo vs March 7th match, you would need a CRT to have it approved

Eh, I'm neutral since it's already there on the profile description but it's just the abilities that's not listed

I don't know where it says he cannot use multiple schrifts

Nor if it has been shown he could use multiple schrifts

 

[Johner2133451]

No, since it's not an immeasurable passive.
This match wouldn't be added if Acheron loses against non-immeasurable passives like what Yhwach has.

Eh, I'm neutral since it's already there on the profile description but it's just the abilities that's not listed

Nor if it has been shown he could use multiple schrifts

Ok so this match is a stomp? Since the passive is immeasurable

 

[PedjaTarzan]

yall made this confusing bruh, passive abilities work 24/7 like litteraly always , the point of "getting passived quicker" is that she will pull up a move that involves passive haxes faster than yhwach since his starting move is usually almighty (at least shown in anime not sure what will cour 4 bring) but because of acausality 2 she has it will not work hence she has better chances of pulling up her nihility haxes by unsheathing sword.
also is this almighty awakened yhwach or soul king absorbed yhwach?