Accelerator Vs. Mukuro Rokudo

[Scrlk666777]

Incon FRA

 

[Notstn]

He doesn't need to alter his shield. There is nothing that Mukuro could do that would bypass reflection. It doesn't matter if Accel is passed out, awake, asleep he will reflect whatever Mukuro throws at him.
There is literally nothing that Mukuro can really do to Accel.

Put a large tent over passed out Accelerator, fill it with carbon monoxide or helium, wait a while. Done.

Early Accelerator himself pointed out that his reliance on air is one of the things his passive shield wouldn't be helpful with. His shield doesn't mean he can live without food, water or air, or have superhuman stamina. I don't know if his opponent here actually needs any form of rest since he manifests via projections. If he does then it's a draw, if he doesn't then he can keep forcing Accelerator to engage.

Yes early Accelerator was still insanely strong compared to other Espers and any fights where it would actually get serious would end in Accelerator's favor just because at that point he never met an opponent that he can't actually defeat and yet who can wear him down over the course of many hours.

 

[XDragnoir]

He doesn't need to alter his shield. There is nothing that Mukuro could do that would bypass reflection. It doesn't matter if Accel is passed out, awake, asleep he will reflect whatever Mukuro throws at him.

There is literally nothing that Mukuro can really do to Accel.

Mukuro's attacks are both magic and mental, how Accel will reflect any of them? Btw, Mukuro has a time limit if i'm not mistaken.

 

[YungManzi]

IDK if he has a time limit in this form but he definitely has a stamina limit and can't maintain the illusion indefinitely.

 

[Scrlk666777]

Accel would just ignore him rather than engage with him. Pre-headshot Accel was very much the type to just let reflection do all the work and as I said Mukuro can't bypass reflection.

Mukuro can't harm Accel no matter what he does and Accel can't harm him due to not being able to find his body.

Incon is the right result here.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Wouldn't he be able to bypass the reflection by creating the illusion that Accel is on Fire, and then make that illusion real, there by bypassing the vectors involved?

 

[XDragnoir]

Yeah, incon FRA. Btw, maybe Aleister could make a good fight with Mukuro?

 

[Notstn]

IDK if he has a time limit in this form but he definitely has a stamina limit and can't maintain the illusion indefinitely.

If both have stamina limits then it's pretty much a draw. Neither can hurt the other in a substantial way at that point.

 

[Scrlk666777]

He doesn't need to alter his shield. There is nothing that Mukuro could do that would bypass reflection. It doesn't matter if Accel is passed out, awake, asleep he will reflect whatever Mukuro throws at him.

There is literally nothing that Mukuro can really do to Accel.

Mukuro's attacks are both magic and mental, how Accel will reflect any of them? Btw, Mukuro has a time limit if i'm not mistaken.

Mental attacks don't work as shown when he was unaffected by Qliphah's madness which affected the likes of Knight Leader and Kanzaki. He can also reflect magic as long as it's not too conceptional as he easily reflected water magic.

 

[Paul_Frank]

All of those happened post headshot so you cant scale them to pre headshot

 

[Notstn]

Yeah, incon FRA. Btw, maybe Aleister could make a good fight with Mukuro?

Aleister wins in pretty much any version, tracking spells are fairly common in Toaru. A lot of magicians could actually win here through similar spells and wards, Aleister is just an extreme example in terms of powerful magicians.

 

[Scrlk666777]

All of those happened post headshot so you cant scale them to pre headshot

True but at that time he didn't know about magic at all with the water magic and while he knew about magic when Qliphah madness was unleashed he didn't really understand magic.

That said there could be an argument for the reason why Accel was able to reflect magic was because of his wings. It might be the case that he was only able to reflect magic after he manisfed his wings which seemed to give him some other magical type of side effects, like being able to sense magic.

 

[XDragnoir]

Mukuro's illusions are conceptual because they don't exist at all, they are just illusions.

 

[YungManzi]

Mukuro's illusions are conceptual because they don't exist at all, they are just illusions.

That's what I thought too. But apparently we don't consider illusions as anything more than non physical.

A being made up of illusions technically doesn't exist in reality or...as a matter of fact, I'll make a thread conserning this later today.

 

[Malox1696]

Yes illusions are non physical as they affect the mind, they are just mirages but if use reality warping to make them physical u lose that property

 

[YungManzi]

Depends on how the illusion works. But this is derailing from the topic of this thread.

 

[Malox1696]

Illusions by definition affect the mind (it's similar to the concept of mirages it can work by distorting light or affecting the mind directly) if not they are apparitions, ghost or projections

 

[YungManzi]

Bump. Just before necro.

I think we have 6 Inconclusive votes right now?

 

[Argoneedsmorelove]

I'd go inconclusive too.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Bump

 

[Schnee_One]

Pre Headshot is going to 5B.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

He still cant deal with Low Godly tho