Accelerator vs Arcueid Brunestud

[Promestein]

Number One vs The Princess of the True Ancestors.

This is Post-Headshot, Post-WW3 Accelerator.

Victory through death. As Arcueid's Regenerationn and immortality means she's beyond Accelerator's capability to put down for good, all he has to do is destroy her up to the point where Low-Godly Regenerationn would be necessary. Otherwise he'd never be able to win.

Both are in-character, with no knowledge on the other's capabilities or who they are. The location is... somewhere on Earth.

Three rounds;

• Round 1: Accelerator (can transform if necessary) vs 30% Arcueid.
• Round 2: Angel Accelerator vs Melty Blood Arcueid.
• Round 3: Angel Accelerator vs Archetype: Earth.

Who Wins

Accelerator
36

Arcuied
39

Inconclusive
0


The poll was created at 07:12 on February 7, 2016, and so far 75 people voted.
Please wait, submitting your vote...

 

[Aurasuke]

Does her attack involve vectors?

 

[LordAizenSama]

I don't think she has anything to hit Accelerator with, does she? castle brunestud wouldn't be very helpful

 

[Nico_Noches]

I'm siding with accelerator because of the angel mode and his vector manipulation

 

[Promestein]

I don't think she has anything to hit Accelerator with, does she? castle brunestud wouldn't be very helpful

That's unfortunate, in that case.

This very quickly became either inconclusive or stompy, huh.

 

[Aurasuke]

^ does she use vectors though?

 

[Promestein]

^ does she use vectors though?

Yes. I feel like the answer is obvious. Besides, Aizen's answer should have clued you in that she doesn't really have the capabilities to circumvent his barrier.

 

[Aurasuke]

lol okay accel wins then lol

 

[Alakabamm]

Accelerator because although Arc can probably survive in space, she probably wouldn't survive without Gaia.

 

[LordAizenSama]

I added a actual poll for ya!

 

[Zensum]

Accel wins. Arcuied has no counter for reverse bloodflow

 

[ToBeOriginal]

Well you had to heavily nerf arc for accel to have a chance..

But she still wins as archetype:earth. Honestly won't even be a fight at that point.

 

[DontTalk]

Arcueid has time manipulation and reality warping listed under her abilities.

Probability manipulation in and of itself may be a problem actually.

 

[LazyHunter]

Well, with her Regenerationn and immortality nerfed and based on current Accel's feats I think Accel wins the first round, as he can destroy her body quite badly if he manages to touch her. Second round I would still give it to Accel with higher dificulty,as her Durability is listing her immortality (nerfed in this fight) and not a physical durability, plus her listed AP look like her strongest attacks and not her casual attacks, so because they are in character I think Accel has good chances in taking her down before she uses them. Arcuied wins the third round easily because Accel's feats don't support him being that high.

I am unsure as to who vote for, as Arcuied is being nerfed for this fight, it's not like a more understandable speed equalization. It's kind of like if you put Accel vs Luffy and took away Accel's reflection because Luffy has no chance otherwise, they are bad matchups. But if anyone else is okay with the nerf I guess it's fine. My question would be, can Arcuied become Archetype: Earth on her own for a normal fight like this like Accel can pull out the white wings? If she can my vote goes to her, if she can't then it goes to Accel.

 

[Gabriel_00]

Going for her profile i'd say accel round 1,2. Round 3 i don't know what can she do against him?

 

[Aurasuke]

how did you make that poll lol?

 

[Alakabamm]

Well there are a couple reasons why I don't think Arc's Marble Phantasm (aka her reality bending/probability manipulation, also an extension of Castle Brunestud) would be capable on taking down Accel.

The first is that her power does not clash with Gaia, which is something that Reality Marbles don't do. This is not because she is a representative of Gaia as a True Ancestor, but rather because her Marble Phantasm is forced to operate within the rules of the earth. In my opinion, what this means is that she can raise a chance from 1% or some very small fraction of that to 100%, but she can never turn 0% to 100%. It's very potent but because it operates within the limits of the world it isn't something Accel hasn't seen (like Kakine's Dark Matter).

As for planet busting, I posted above why that's a very bad idea for Arcueid. We don't know if TYPEs can survive the destruction of their own planet but Arc is certainly not present in NOTES and losing her link to Gaia likely reverts her to a form where she probably can't live in space. She can force a draw here by doing it but that's it.

Her extent of "Time Manipulation" is Castle Brunestud which I sort of disagree counts as Time Manipulation. This isn't the place to argue that though, but my opinion on it is that it isn't potent enough to do much to Accel.

So Accel can win the first two rounds (unless you mean Dark Wings Accel in R2) and draw in the third.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Quick question, can Accelerator be stopped by scalar quantities as opposed to vectors? Like speed instead of velocity?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

BTW, this has nothing to do with Arcueid. Just a question about the nature of vector manipulation

 

[Aurasuke]

speed can't exist without velocity though, as for temperature they are technically vectors as it measures the kinetic energy of each particle which has a speed and velocity.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Thanks, man for the answer. Just wanted to test his limits.

 

[DontTalk]

Quick question, can Accelerator be stopped by scalar quantities as opposed to vectors? Like speed instead of velocity?

Nothing is actually scalar like that. Heat for example is usually represented as a scalar, but in detail is the "vibration" of particles and such a vibration has a vector.

I don't get how you would get a speed without a vector, you have to move in some direction...

In detail even a still standing object moves with a vector btw.

No idea if that helps the question is kinda abstract.

 

[Aurasuke]

really seemed simple to me^ lol

 

[LazyHunter]

Anyways, in the end I've decided to vote for Accel, for the reasons I gave before.

 

[DontTalk]

When I said Probability manipulation in and of itself may be a problem, I actually thought of something specific btw. Aren't esper abilities in and off themselfs a manifestation of an espers ability to control the proabability of events on quantum scale and by the accumulation of such improbable events manifest their specific abilities in realtity?

Well, as long as arcueid doesn't know that it probably doesn't matter (and I don't remember how much speculation is involved in that theory...), but it could come down to who can manipulate probability better.

 

[Alakabamm]

Well, a couple of things on that topic I guess.

It is implied that esper's abilities stem from manipulation of AIM energy which doesn't really have a discrete size, per se. So I suppose you can interpret that as quantum.

Accelerator's powers at his highest levels do indeed allow him to control reality but there is nothing about probability manipulation, really. It's not something as limited - on the scale of all espers, not Accelerator - to just controlling probability. It defies reality, something which the TYPE Moon verse rebels against. So the interaction between Arcueid's power and Accelerator probability wouldn't be a battle of probability manipulation tbh.

But on that note, Accelerator has insane control of his own power, which is why it only extends a meter in base. He can outcalculate supercomputers, a group of 10000 level 3 espers (who should be mathematical geniuses) can only account for less than 50% of his base calculation power and his dark wings expand that. His white wings expand that even more. In fact, his wings are described as alternate brains, that is, masses of calculation power. Even without those wings, he can affect the world globally so Arcueid would need some serious feats to even think of out-calculating him.

 

[KamiYasha]

The problem is the next one: Accelerator has 0 chances of wining against ArcheType.

ArcheType is One within the Earth. Accelerator wouldn't be capable of borrowing the Earth's energy, why? mainly because ArcheType and Gaia will not allow that to happend.

Also, i don't know how accelerator is going to kill her.

Even her weakened version, during the night she can't die.

Don't make start with ArcheType...

 

[Aurasuke]

^ Just wait for level 6 accelerator lol

 

[KamiYasha]

Still, ArcheType is capable of facing full power Gilgamesh.

Also, her upper limits are Unknown...and probably we are never gonna know it.

 

[Aurasuke]

^ But level 6 Accelerator could probably solo all the magic gods

 

[Alakabamm]

Arcueid can die during the night though, she just regenerates....which is the thing which has been limited for this battle. By all means, Accelerator can kill 70% Arc.

Archetype Earth can probably be affected by Accel but I don't expect her to die. Remember what I said earlier about Arcueid's powers and Accelerator's powers? Unlike Arcueid and similar to Reality Marble users, espers forcibly impose a change on the world. It doesn't need to work with the laws of the world and that was explicitly said for White Wings Accel.

I don't know if he can really heavily damage Archetype but I don't see her damaging him without destroying the world in the process and screwing herself over. So draw.

 

[KamiYasha]

IIRC during the night she doesn't have concept of death.

 

[Aurasuke]

^

Level 6 accelerator would still likely solo though. Unless she was beyond tier 2

 

[DontTalk]

^
Level 6 accelerator would still likely solo though. Unless she was beyond tier 2

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[Alakabamm]

IIRC during the night she doesn't have concept of death.

That's in relation to Shiki's power, she doesn't have a concept of True Death during the night. She can still be damaged and killed by mortal standards, she would just regen from it, even if her body is reduced to nothing. That's the win condition however and I think Accel can do it.

 

[Aurasuke]

^
Level 6 accelerator would still likely solo though. Unless she was beyond tier 2

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Lol he's Aleister's Main Plan though. I can't see Kami making accelerator a fodder character even after the magic gods were introduced. He has already has 2 much screen time for that.

 

[DontTalk]

Lol he's Aleister's Main Plan though. I can't see Kami making accelerator a fodder character even after the magic gods were introduced. He has already has 2 much screen time for that.

Really just DontTalk about it anymore. Its all speculation and absolutely irrelevant to the topic.

 

[Promestein]

Level 6 Accelerator isn't even a thing yet, so it's pretty irrelevant to the discussion here.

 

[Aurasuke]

Lol he's Aleister's Main Plan though. I can't see Kami making accelerator a fodder character even after the magic gods were introduced. He has already has 2 much screen time for that.

Really just DontTalk about it anymore. Its all speculation and absolutely irrelevant to the topic.

Lol I see what you did there.

 

[Alakabamm]

Lol he's Aleister's Main Plan though. I can't see Kami making accelerator a fodder character even after the magic gods were introduced. He has already has 2 much screen time for that.

Really just DontTalk about it anymore. Its all speculation and absolutely irrelevant to the topic.