Acausality Type 5 for Magi!!

[Star_King_Veldanava]

First, we discuss Rukh in Magi, Rukh is a Concept in Magi and also a Fate, Causality

David & Sinbad who are Singularity get Acausality 4 because they can deviate from the flow of fate (Including Causality)

And upgrade acausality type 5 for Magi characters who can NEP2 or who Exist without Rukh (or as non-existence)

Can this make them have a causality type 5? Let's go

Type 5: Causality Transcendence: Characters with this type of Causality go beyond the normal limits of cause and effect, which are outside the causality of a system. Even interacting with them normally might prove nearly impossible.
(Vsb, Acausality Page)

^ As we know that acausality type 5 in short is a character that already exists outside or transcend the causality system in the verse and it is very possible that no other creature can interact with it without certain abilities

And as here in the feats below it says Rukh is not a fundamental concept in the Magi verse but everything only includes Rukh whether it's fate, law, causality, death, life, soul, or something like that all of it is Rukh.


^Scene about Rukh

So with these existing feats, if a character exists without Rukh here, not only will he get NEP2 but also type 5 causality because all causality in the verse is out of this, and with this all Gods get type 5 acausality.


^Scene about NEP2 Magi

 

[PrinceofPein]

Nah
No one in magi qualifies for NEP2
And existing outside the causality for rukh is type 4 aca

 

[Star_King_Veldanava]

Nah
No one in magic qualifies for NEP2
And existing outside the causality for rukh is type 4 aca

Don't All Gods get NEP2?

 

[PrinceofPein]

Don't All Gods get NEP2?

Nope, none of them does, that is NEP1, not 2

 

[Delta333]

Nope, none of them does, that is NEP1, not 2

NEP type 2 is already on their profiles,not sure if you notice it or not

 

[PrinceofPein]

NEP type 2 is already on their profiles,not sure if you notice it or not

https://vsbattles.com/threads/a-minor-revision-for-illah.124644/

Yeah I plan on removing that as it as no business been there

 

[Star_King_Veldanava]

And existing outside the causality for rukh is type 4 aca

Exist without Rukh = Unbound by Causality, Because basically Rukh also includes Causality and it is also very impossible to interact with someone who does not exist without Rukh

 

[Delta333]

On the topic,being outside of causality is not acausality type 5,it's only type 4 tho

 

[PrinceofPein]

Exist without Rukh = Unbound by Causality, Because basically Rukh also includes Causality and it is also very impossible to interact with someone who does not exist without Rukh

Yes that's aca4, existing outside /unbound by a certain system of causality is type 4

 

[Star_King_Veldanava]

Yes that's aca4, existing outside /unbound by a certain system of causality is type 4

Exist without Rukh is already Unbound by Causality system to the "All levels" stage because even reality can't interact with them

 

[PrinceofPein]

Exist without Rukh is already Unbound by Causality system to the "All levels" stage because even reality can't interact with them

Yes type 4

 

[Delta333]

reality can't interact with them

Which scan says that they can't be interacted due to being unbound by causality?

 

[Star_King_Veldanava]

Which scan says that they can't be interacted due to being unbound by causality?

can't interact because they exist without Rukh, and Rukh shape all reality

 

[PrinceofPein]

can't interact because they exist without Rukh, and Rukh shape all reality

Which means they are outside the system of causality created by Rukh it will still be type 4

 

[Lormac_CC]

Disagree, Existing without rukh doesn't mean you are existing outside the guidance of rukh. So that would just still be type 4

 

[Star_King_Veldanava]

Exist without Rukh is definitely much deeper than that, Rukh = Fate, All Causality in MagiVerse, Exist without Rukh = Casually Disconnected with Causality System in Magi Cosmology itself

 

[PrinceofPein]

Exist without Rukh is definitely much deeper than that, Rukh = Fate, All Causality in MagiVerse, Exist without Rukh = Relaxed Disconnected with Causality System in Magi Cosmology itself

Would still be type 4

 

[Orioreeem]

Exist without Rukh is definitely much deeper than that, Rukh = Fate, All Causality in MagiVerse, Exist without Rukh = Casually Disconnected with Causality System in Magi Cosmology itself

Do you have feats? To get type 5 you need feats that you can't be interacted with because you are unbound from causality.

 

[Star_King_Veldanava]

Do you have feats? To get type 5 you need feats that you can't be interacted with because you are unbound from causality.

Reality can interact with them (Existing without Rukh) because basically they are just non-existence, and also Rukh shapes all reality so Exist without Rukh = Unbound by Reality

 

[Orioreeem]

Reality can interact with them (Existing without Rukh) because basically they are just non-existence, and also Rukh shapes all reality so Exist without Rukh = Unbound by Reality

Then you can't interact with them because of their non existance not because they are type 5 acausals.

 

[Star_King_Veldanava]

Then you can't interact with them because of their non existance not because they are type 5 acausals.

Rukh is also a Causality, Exist without Rukh = Unbound by Causality

 

[Lormac_CC]

What you are even proposing goes against the entire series where by the god above controls the fate on the one below

 

[PrinceofPein]

OP does not even understand what he is saying
Anyway like I said earlier, existing without Rukh, or outside it
Is just simply aca type 4

 

[Delta333]

What you are even proposing goes against the entire series where by the god above controls the fate on the one below

Acausality type 5 is not immune to fate manip,in fact acausal being can interact with each other
I'm talking generally tho,not just Magi case since I only agree with type 4

 

[Orioreeem]

Rukh is also a Causality, Exist without Rukh = Unbound by Causality

Statements aren't enough for type 5. What you need to show is that they can't be interacted with because they are unbound by causality(for example: I push you, you fall, if this doesn't apply to you you are type 5) and not because of they are nonexistent.

 

[Daemon]

What you are even proposing goes against the entire series where by the god above controls the fate on the one below

Do you still not understand about Context Acausality Type 5 in this thread? All Gods get Type 5 Acausality when he is Without Rukh, which means he is no longer Unbound by Causality and not determined by the fate of the upper gods, even the surviving Sinbad (not non-existence) can still deviate from the fate given by the upper gods and fight against David

 

[Star_King_Veldanava]

OP does not even understand what he is saying
Anyway like I said earlier, existing without Rukh, or outside it
Is just simply aca type 4

if you don't understand what I'm saying, sorry because I'm Indonesian, so my English is very bad

 

[Lormac_CC]

Truth is I don't see why a god should have it. Yes rukh governs all phenomenal that happen in reality (fate is just on of them), but a god without rukh can be classified as dead.

 

[Star_King_Veldanava]

Truth is I don't see why a god should have it. Yes rukh governs all phenomenal that happen in reality (fate is just on of them), but a god without rukh can be classified as dead.

yeah, Gods without rukh must die first = So Non-existence
Rukh shapes All Reality which means Exist without Rukh = Outside All Reality, Causality, Fate, Law to the stage of "All levels"

 

[PrinceofPein]

yeah, Gods without rukh must die first = So Non-existence
Rukh shapes All Reality which means Exist without Rukh = Outside All Reality, Causality, Fate, Law to the stage of "All levels"

Still type 4

 

[Guardian_Doge]

Yeeeeah, hard pass. All the scans are contextually referring to the Rukh as the "End" of a cycle for life and death, or existence and nonexistence. It still maintains a system of causality, just instead would be treated as a culmination. Being the non-existence of a worldly system is still being apart of that system.
This post is accurate:

What you need to show is that they can't be interacted with because they are unbound by causality

 

[mal]

yeah, Gods without rukh must die first = So Non-existence
Rukh shapes All Reality which means Exist without Rukh = Outside All Reality, Causality, Fate, Law to the stage of "All levels"

if with rukh mean bound by casuality it type 3. and if without it mean aca type 4 because u exist outside of it cmiiw

 

[Lormac_CC]

People disagree with this

 

[Star_King_Veldanava]

if with rukh mean bound by casuality it type 3. and if without it mean aca type 4 because u exist outside of it cmiiw

Still bound Rukh and deviating from Rukh also gets Acausality Type 4

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

Why need Aca 5 when you got NEP2 tho

 

[Star_King_Veldanava]

Why need Aca 5 when you got NEP2 tho

I'm just trying to upgrade

 

[OnsokunoSonic]

I'm just trying to upgrade

But NEP2 is more potent that aca 5 in term of defensive at least

 

[Megaraptor149]

It's only NEP2.
Being outside causality system it's only Acausality Type 4.

If you try upgrade, you have to look for feats that are more towards causality