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About Dialga's Immeasurable Speed

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Mewtwo is fodder now?

Except literally every time they appear they get tagged by characters with finite speed.

And no, we agreed on Mewtwo being High 3-A was an outlier (Not that the Unown are High 3-A anyways). It had nothing to do with this.
 
@J-Man

That wasnt my question. I asked when did it happen for Satur and Team Rocket.

Besides, "it happens everytime" isnt enough. You need to bring in examples too or else its speculative to say that.
 
The Everlasting said:
And no, we agreed on Mewtwo being High 3-A was an outlier (Not that the Unown are High 3-A anyways). It had nothing to do with this.
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Yes it did, considering I was the one who at first pushed for that. He wouldve been that because of beating the Unown. If thats an Outlier than we can't suddenly just use it to undermine the Unown as noted by Kaltias above.

If its an outlier for Mewtwo then its legit for the Unown.
 
As far as the anime's go could you provide the episodes/scenes of them facing Unown?

And as for Bugsy, my answer remains the same.
 
DP060. Also E243 (note ash and crew also were in the unown dimension).

An Unown D and P help Dia and pearl fight team galactic in the manga too. Theres plenty of other instances, either way, ya got the episode numbers.
 
I mean, we can consider every instance that happened outlier, we wont downgrade dialga because it was tagged by finite speed pokemon too, right?

But im neutral on the unown thing.
 
There is also the fact that literally every infinite speed character who fought someone is consistently tagged by things that have finite speed. So unless we want to downgrade literally everyone who doesn't show its top speed consistently (aka fiction)...
 
Pachi and Kaltias are right. An infinite speed character would logically be downgraded to finite speed in every instance just so they wont speed stomp everything. Literally.

The Unown shouldnt be any different.
 
I agree with Infinite / Immeasurable (Whatever is decided as being best) for Dialga and the Unown.
 
Also, the argument of "Even if you can move and have infinite speed inside a void doesn't mean you'll keep it when entering space-time" makes no sense.

If you can already survive and thrive in an environment worse than one with space-time, why would you suddenly be downgraded and constricted by space-time if you normally aren't?

it's like saying that a being capable of surviving without breathing in the void of space will suddenly start breathing when he lands in an atmosphere, except he doesn't need to do it, doesn't normally do it by instinct, and has nothing to gain from it.
 
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Also, the argument of "Even if you can move and have infinite speed inside a void doesn't mean you'll keep it when entering space-time" makes no sense.

If you can already survive and thrive in an environment worse than one with space-time, why would you suddenly be downgraded and constricted by space-time if you normally aren't?

it's like saying that a being capable of surviving without breathing in the void of space will suddenly start breathing when he lands in an atmosphere, except he doesn't need to do it, doesn't normally do it by instinct, and has nothing to gain from it.
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^This. So much this.
 
The others member of the Creation Trio, sealed Arceus, Lake Trio and Lunar Duo scale
 
Nah, Palkia, Giratina, Arceus, the Lake Trio, Unown and (MAYBE) Mirage Mewtwo would get it.

Last one im unsure of.
 
So we just gonna ignore the fact every, not once, not twice, not three times, not even four times, but in every single appearance they dont show infinite speed outside their dimension? Plus the fact ash and crew can even move around inside that dimension.

Unown shouldn't get infinite speed.
 
If mirage Mewtwo gets it then Kukui and his reasoning of "unown weren't connected to gen 4 at the time so any instances going against infinite speed shouldn't be counted", then Mewtwo definitly aint getting it because mirage Mewtwo is pre gen 4.
 
Say that there are 1000 instances of the Unown being tagged by someone with finite speed.

Now, consider an Unown with a lifespan of a day. For every second of this day, it performed an infinite speed feat. That's 86400 to the previous 1000.

Obligatory Dragon Ball example: Goku in Z has no feats above sub-rel. No one. But it doesn't invalidate the other speed feats. Same here
 
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If mirage Mewtwo gets it then Kukui and his reasoning of "unown weren't connected to gen 4 at the time so any instances going against infinite speed shouldn't be counted", then Mewtwo definitly aint getting it because mirage Mewtwo is pre gen 4.
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Not even my reasoning. Someone else said this and i bought it up, saying IF it holds any place.
 
How is it PIS? They have litterally never been depicted moving, fighting ir reacting at thise speeds within the few tens of times theyve appeared outside of litterally a single instance. And then they continued showing noninfinite speed after that instance anyway, if anything that's the outlier here Kukui.

And nobody said anything about the former, anything that happened pre gen 4 is automatically not getting due to your reasoning of they weren't connected to the creation trio yet.

Also ash and crew have litterally been inside the unown dimension, doesn't take infinite speed to move.around there.
 
@J-man

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There is also the fact that literally every infinite speed character who fought someone is consistently tagged by things that have finite speed. So unless we want to downgrade literally everyone who doesn't show its top speed consistently (aka fiction)...
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Then don't use a reason you're gonna backtrack on the moment it goes against your arguments, because that's what you're doing.

Yet Kal, Goku is sub rel for fighting others who are, some thing here but in reverse.

Also ash and crew, maybe more, have been there.
 
Also ash and crew have literally been inside the unown dimension, doesn't take infinite speed to move.around there."

PIS. Just like how the like of Agunimon is not infinite speed for moving in the Dark Area or for hitting a Dark Area inhabitant. Or how Gatomon is not infinite for swatting away DemiDevimon.

Matter of fact unknown is no different than Dark Area Digimon who are widely accepted as Infinite despite being consistently tagged by finite speed beings. It's called "Authors don't know how fast their characters are". We have accepted that being a person who naturally inhabits a void is enough for infinite speed.
 
Lephyr, it's not a few times. It's every single time. If it was once ir twice yeah sure but it's not. It's every single time they have appeared.
 
Sigh...

We also have humans moving around in the Distortion World, which is literally always stated to have no time. Is Giratina no longer immeasurable, or even infinite?

Tons of the infinite/immeasurable characters in fiction, whether it be Professor Zoom, the Dark Area Digimon, Timemon (sorry for naming Digimon twice. I'm limited to 3-D infinite/immeasurable characters and it's hard to think of them), that one Fate dude, or others, get tagged by non-infinite characters. Should they should be downgraded as well?

I really hate that pre-Gen 4 argument. Not because I believe MM should get things from Pokémon past that, but Pokémon don't magically gain new concepts. It's an add on. Beerus isn't 3-A up until the US arc because that was the arc that confirmed his tier. Or an even more extreme example: Kami Tenchi isn't tier 0 until that scene with Z because Tenchi wasn't even close to that himself.
 
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