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About Cthulhu mythos
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Remember when people said demonbane could beat cthulu mythos
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Bumping this
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Hounds of Tindalos and likely Doels (Space Eaters)
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I get the felling that the Angled Space is just the normal multiverse, and that's a synonim for the dimensions or whatever. In this case I think the beings like the Hounds would maybe be Unknown, cause I don't think it's specified how high into the dimensional hierarchy they are in.
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From what I found by reading the Hounds is that the Angled Space is a realm of impossible supernatural angles that predates all of Space and the fourth dimension of Time existing before Creation. It's also supposed to be the Platonic form of Space and Time which are simply it's imperfect manifestations. It's at least 5D imo but I don't know if there's anything more. I just became curious since This Sandbox gives the impression that the Gates having Angles (Which is why Outer Gods have full control over them since they are beyond the Gates) and Azathoth residing beyond Angled Space. So was asking if there's any upper limit to "Angled Space".
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Is there a tier for it?
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I'm posting here to say that the whole thing with the Other Gods all having 0 keys is back in the talks again, but it remains to be debated among the revision server. Ultima, Aeyu and I all discussed over Discord that there are quotes out there which, when pieced together, support the interpretation that there is a distinction between the "Archetypes" as they are described in Through the Gates of the Silver Key and the "Other Gods" as they are referenced outside of that story. We also found some possible evidence in Lovecraft's letters that could help to back it up. Of course, as I said, no one in the revision server has cared enough to be willing to debate it, but for those of you who want a rundown of what would happen if it is accepted:
Tier 0 wouldn't be based on the Archetypes being part of the Supreme Archetype, but rather on them being completely changeless and eternal archetypes who command all angles and who all beings descended from across all worlds and across past, present, and future, contrasting against the Other Gods having quotes that they can and do reproduce and that they were born at the same time space itself was. These Other Gods are themselves High 1-A because they are natives to the Last Void, which is that formless chaos outside of the orderly universe, described as a place where no dreams reach (impressive when you consider that Hypnos breached several 1-A vacua through drug-induced dreams) and as a place which is unknown to the physics and mathematics of any conceivable cosmos (by a man who fervently studies these subjects, so make of this what you will).
The Supreme Archetype, then, would be at a higher level of 0 because it is the All-in-One and One-in-All of limitless being and self; the ultimate animating essence of existence's whole, unbounded, last, and utter sweep which has no confines and which outreaches fancy (as in imagination/creativity) and mathematics alike. All that was, and is, and is to be is unified under the Supreme Archetype. It is chief among the Archetypes, which are merely partitions of its BEING, as the Archetypes are the roots of different lineages of lesser beings, but all beings on all worlds across all time and space are just infinitesimal phases of one eternal archetype: the Supreme Archetype.
If all of the above is accepted as is, then the Supreme Archetype may very well be the single most powerful character on the entirety of the main VS Battles Wiki. But, again, this will need to be debated, because despite Azathoth (the ex-bureaucrat) admittedly raising some good points against it, I believe that we have since found a little bit of potential evidence in favor of this claim, and the people I originally brought it up to also raised some valid points about how the depiction of the Archetypes in Through the Gates of the Silver Key contrasts against literally every representation of the Other Gods, particularly a handful of quotes in The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath and the characterization of Yog-Sothoth as the husband and mate of Shub-Niggurath who can be summoned to perform the deeds of mortals VS the characterization of "Yog-Sothoth" as the eternal supreme archetype who is in all things and who holds all things in itself (hence why it is called "the All-in-One and One-in-All").
Tier 0 wouldn't be based on the Archetypes being part of the Supreme Archetype, but rather on them being completely changeless and eternal archetypes who command all angles and who all beings descended from across all worlds and across past, present, and future, contrasting against the Other Gods having quotes that they can and do reproduce and that they were born at the same time space itself was. These Other Gods are themselves High 1-A because they are natives to the Last Void, which is that formless chaos outside of the orderly universe, described as a place where no dreams reach (impressive when you consider that Hypnos breached several 1-A vacua through drug-induced dreams) and as a place which is unknown to the physics and mathematics of any conceivable cosmos (by a man who fervently studies these subjects, so make of this what you will).
The Supreme Archetype, then, would be at a higher level of 0 because it is the All-in-One and One-in-All of limitless being and self; the ultimate animating essence of existence's whole, unbounded, last, and utter sweep which has no confines and which outreaches fancy (as in imagination/creativity) and mathematics alike. All that was, and is, and is to be is unified under the Supreme Archetype. It is chief among the Archetypes, which are merely partitions of its BEING, as the Archetypes are the roots of different lineages of lesser beings, but all beings on all worlds across all time and space are just infinitesimal phases of one eternal archetype: the Supreme Archetype.
If all of the above is accepted as is, then the Supreme Archetype may very well be the single most powerful character on the entirety of the main VS Battles Wiki. But, again, this will need to be debated, because despite Azathoth (the ex-bureaucrat) admittedly raising some good points against it, I believe that we have since found a little bit of potential evidence in favor of this claim, and the people I originally brought it up to also raised some valid points about how the depiction of the Archetypes in Through the Gates of the Silver Key contrasts against literally every representation of the Other Gods, particularly a handful of quotes in The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath and the characterization of Yog-Sothoth as the husband and mate of Shub-Niggurath who can be summoned to perform the deeds of mortals VS the characterization of "Yog-Sothoth" as the eternal supreme archetype who is in all things and who holds all things in itself (hence why it is called "the All-in-One and One-in-All").
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So basically
physical world = high 1-B
Vacua/gates = 1-A
Outer realm = high 1-A
Outergods = high 1-A/ 0
Azzy and yog = 0 / high 1-A
physical world = high 1-B
Vacua/gates = 1-A
Outer realm = high 1-A
Outergods = high 1-A/ 0
Azzy and yog = 0 / high 1-A
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Most iffy part would be this on imo.
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So yog sothoth is gonna be more powerful than azzy?
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Think so
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Well that's a big F
What's the reasoning for it and what is azzy's new rating?
What's the reasoning for it and what is azzy's new rating?
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I think there was a massive thread talking about how yog is above azzy
Well depends how the updates are decided
Both yog and azzy can remain as tier 0 or they both go down to high 1-A
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The thread is still going on apparently.
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Mhm
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Ye is still open
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so Azathoth is no longer stronger than Yog-sothoth?
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How high into High 1-A?
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I don't think so
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Since outer gods would be baseline high 1-A and
yog and azzy would still be above them so I would guess one level above baseline
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They would likely be higher than that, if Azzy and Yog are 0, and the elder gods are potentially 0.
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It all depends how the updates go, they can either remain the same (tier 0) or they go down to high 1-A but superior to the outer gods
And for the outer gods they will either be tier 0 or baseline high 1-A
As for how high I would say 1 level above baseline since there is no further stuff to put them say, 90 times above baseline etc.
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A full cast of tier 0s would be hella spicy
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Was Twin Peaks upgraded?
Ovy7
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not yet, no.
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So, Tier 0 at last? Or at least soon?
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Now that I think about it yea, I dont think they where tier 0 since the start
Only ones I think have always been tier 0 is anu and amaranth
Only ones I think have always been tier 0 is anu and amaranth
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