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A Wild Last Boss Appeared Discussion Thread

One calc accepted, just waiting on the other which has the Wood Ouroboros breath attack speed.

Btw don't think it scales to all Ouroboros, Libra was able to dodge breath attacks from the Earth Ouroboros, and she clearly isn't MFTL.
 
So it would just be Aigokeros and the one Ouroboros? To be fair, Aigokeros is also someone born outside the scenario in some way as well so for him it wouldn't be the most far fetched.

In the situations for Ouroboroses a little more odd, but make do with what we have I suppose
 
Another Ouroboros has an FTL statement for their breath attack, think it was the Sun Ouroboros, but yea, basically just Aigokeros and Wood who would have the MFTL attack speed.

Also re-looking at stuff I found out it's actually lvl 3000 Ruphas who did the Immeasurable speed feat, which means Benet will scale to that via accelerated development... It's kind of a little hard to believe? It's only against Orm that Ruphas showed that feat which was after the Benet fight, but Ruphas explicitly says she is using the same power she did against Benet, after which Orm gets speed blitzed and beat up.

Benet is just that based under the full moon + with her sheer will I guess, she did actually harm Ruphas after all, which means she will scale to Solar System level too.
 
For the solar system part, I guess even if we chalk that up to their whole ignoring common sense thing, it still means she managed to harm Ruphas at the end. Granted it seems she used life energy, she still got there through AD...and was faster and stronger than she had ever been to surprise even Ruphas. From like planet to solar system...

That is kind of crazy actually...I'm not sure how to consider it. Up to solar system through AD seems alright. The Immeasurable combat speed is what is more wild and I'm not sure. I mean, I guess at a "maximum" she just gets that through the same thing, and it's a potential thing. It may just take longer without a full moon buff or something like that.

This also means Benet as a level 1500 may be superior to Orm, while Orm is superior as a level 1,000? I dunno...as Orm moves at mach 500k at lvl 1,000. Higher than even a level 1,500. That is quite the jump
 
With the common sense ignoring stuff, the damage the lower level people do is pretty minor, Benet basically rip apart of Ruphas shoulder off. Ruphas was pretty casual until she put her life force in, so it's like AD + Full Moon + Life Energy.

For speed, Ruphas was dodging and very causal against Benet, but then she surprised Ruphas by kicking her with the severed, bottom half of her body, if Ruphas is Immeasurable, even if she was surprised, she would have all the time in the world to dodge, so Benet kinda has to scale, and then there is again the Benet tearing apart Ruphas shoulder feat.

Benet is indeed superior to Orm, he got speed blizted and beaten up by level 3000 Ruphas meanwhile Benet could do some damage, and surprise Ruphas. It's not really a surprise if you think about it, if willpower/belief is the ultimate thing, which it is, all that matters is the belief that you can do something. Against Alovenus Orm stated he wouldn't be able to keep up because he couldn't believe in himself so much to ignore all the contradictions, meanwhile Bent said she couldn't muster that much willpower to face Alovenus.

Think about it, who does Benet have the most willpower for? Ruphas, she is practically obsessed with her, it makes sense she could muster up the willpower, ignoring logic to make her be able to do ridiculous stuff.
 
That does make sense. Compared to Orm, Benet had an extreme drive to fight Ruphas even to the death. So she gained that ability, and that kinda stuff gets stronger at a higher level. Same thing as a God level, just of course much more ridiculous.

I think it would be something like "higher with accelerated development" and then after "'up to solar system" at her peak, or something like that. Since by then she had used basically everything with her willpower at its strongest there to fight Ruphas. That ignoring common sense thing really starts kicking into gear passed level 1,000
 
Worked on the cosmology page a little, since pretty much can't do anything until my Aigokeros calc is accepted. Need that for the speed and AP thread, almost tempted to ignore waiting for it, since it applies to a single Ouroboros, could just add it later.
 
This really is a calc eval moment, cause aside from that it's just Benets insane display of willpower and her shenanigans. Then an upgrade for 5 people.

Assuming it's some more author statements to the cosmology. Cause there are so many examples that also show the author is kinda just unreachable. A shame it didn't maintain their acaus 5 but not needed for them really
 
Nah just added the whole bit about Alovenus being irrational, and as people like Benet get higher leveled, the more irrational and closer to Alovenus they become.

May just work and post my "other revisions", which is just everything that doesn't fit into ap or speed. Barely done anything there though, but should in theory be a short revision.
 
Will try and get the ap thread out sometime this week, though a lot is going on irl so idk if it will happen.

I still haven't ironed out everything I want to do with it. Ap is more of a pain than speed was.
 
Are there a lot of changes for AP? I remember discussion on what 99999 damage would scale to. Something like high 5-A, and then the Aigokeros with a similar tier.

Aside from that the Earth Ouroboros basically being star level breath attacks. Which leads into the whole shenanigans of limited damage on Midgard
 
Celestial_Pegasus said:
AP CRT.
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Yes, it is good to do this, but more importantly, while there is a higher desire for an upgrade, it would be good to give importance to it. After all, you are the one with the problem with this universe on the wiki, and I would appreciate it if you followed this Crt closely. I made a few explanations, I would be happy if you read them.
 
You aren't going to pass a High 1-A+ or any 1-A thread without at least 3 staff members, you would be better focused getting other staff to pay attention to your thread.

Even I did approve of it, it's not going anywhere without others, and your arguments haven't convinced me (yes I saw the latest comments), so I will continue to do what i have been doing.
 
Celestial_Pegasus said:
You aren't going to pass a High 1-A+ or any 1-A thread without at least 3 staff members, you would be better focused getting other staff to pay attention to your thread.

Even I did approve of it, it's not going anywhere without others, and your arguments haven't convinced me (yes I saw the latest comments), so I will continue to do what i have been doing.
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In what way did he not convince? If you don't tell me this, this revision will go nowhere. Be outspoken
 
While the End Point does have some nice statements, don't think it's not enough for high 1-A+. Even if we take into consideration their logic hax spam. We would take "'all conceivable worlds" in context to creation and their transcendences.

Which would line up, as it continued to act as it's described qualities for quite some time compared to people that spam infinity and settings endlessly like children. If they were 1-A+ it could probably be argued for high 1-A. But that's a whole other thing cuz site rules
 
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Enter_Bluey said:
While the End Point does have some nice statements, don't think it's not enough for high 1-A+. Even if we take into consideration their logic hax spam. We would take "'all conceivable worlds" in context to creation and their transcendences.

Which would line up, as it continued to act as it's described qualities for quite some time compared to people that spam infinity and settings endlessly like children. If they were 1-A+ it could probably be argued for high 1-A. But that's a whole other thing cuz site rules
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Actually, I wasn't going to touch on these points at all. Because, by nature, it will be at a superior point than all of them. Completely independent of and superior to the specifications imposed on reality by any possible logical world. It also includes them. He makes this canvas an existence in which everything participates in it, but he does not put it in a situation related to them. It is stated many times that he is at the top. There is nothing beyond or independent of it (not even Nothingness). In short, it is clear that this is beyond and independent of the specifications imposed by limited modes such as P and ¬P.
 
Well, we will see what staff say on that regard, if they even come.

Also, not sure if this has been asked but has AE2 been considered for Alovenus? The statements say "she was born as the concept of herself", just like everything else is born into the world. Then it's somewhat explained what that means, as Alovenus herself was born as all unrealistic, impossible things, concept and notions not meant for reality then physically given human form. As a result of this, she could just come back whenever she wants, even if burned to ashes, etc. She also wasn't even using an ability at the time come back. She straight up was just testing it out herself. Also got worse as a God.

Never really thought about it till now, since there may not be enough evidence for it. Like showing you need to affect all that to kill her, or something along those lines.
 
Enter_Bluey said:
Never really thought about it till now, since there may not be enough evidence for it. Like showing you need to affect all that to kill her, or something along those lines.
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They dont need to tell this. Because Its like to Immortality 8. However If you have a idea for Ae2 you can make a proposal for this
 
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Also, not sure if this has been asked but has AE2 been considered for Alovenus? The statements say "she was born as the concept of herself", just like everything else is born into the world. Then it's somewhat explained what that means, as Alovenus herself was born as all unrealistic, impossible things, concept and notions not meant for reality then physically given human form. As a result of this, she could just come back whenever she wants, even if burned to ashes, etc. She also wasn't even using an ability at the time come back. She straight up was just testing it out herself. Also got worse as a God.

Never really thought about it till now, since there may not be enough evidence for it. Like showing you need to affect all that to kill her, or something along those lines.
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Makes sense, the whole thing about her being able to come back from death is about her being able to do the impossible, which makes sense since she is the concept of the impossible.
 
Celestial_Pegasus said:
Makes sense, the whole thing about her being able to come back from death is about her being able to do the impossible, which makes sense since she is the concept of the impossible.
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Yeah, only other thing is she became a God and lost that physical manifestion in the universe as it got erased. Not sure if it would change anything, as it's more like she became more of what she actually is, the impossible. But would fall in line with all concepts not existing in the realm and her being even harder to kill.

Not sure if AE1 is possible somewhere too after becoming a God. As she lost the basically physical form and truly became unbound by everything.

Floxiaaa said:
They dont need to tell this. Because Its like to Immortality 8. However If you have a idea for Ae2 you can make a proposal for this
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I may make something on it
 
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The other threads are now basically ready to go after the ap thread, actually even started working on a thread for Isekai Mahou.

Making progress.
 
I am curious about something, that being lifting strength. Ruphas basically says levels ignore bone structure and stuff to allow a person to lift more ridiculous things (like mountains for example) each time. Would we be able to correlate their LS to their AP(or relative to it) because of this? Or would we need more? Thinking about it though, probably not. Just seems odd for like Ruphas to be at class Y for level 2100 and up.

Also what was the reason for class Y again for her? Glanced at it and forgot. Actually wait, probably from lifting the entire surface of Midgard, after that tho idk
 
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I don't think we can correlate lifting strength with ap

Level 2100 Ruphas will scale above level 1000 Aigokeros who can lift Ouroboros, who are larger than Midgard. Also Aigokeros throwing Mercury.

Level 2100 Ruphas is also presumably the one who has the feat of shaking the earth and moving the Moon by just existing...
 
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Oh yeah...actually just relooked at that, that was just 2100. Not only that but she really appeared with such an entrance.

Midgards rotation speed slowed, the moon started shifting towards Midgard. It described the entirety of space bowing to her just from the weight of her existance...that is kind of crazy. Literally the pressure skill but worse, can't stand in her presence at all. That has some be some advanced overwhelming aura right there.

I think at this point this is what we could call "aura farming"
 
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Going through edits made me realize Libra is basically a 4-C character, she will always start with Brachium which is 4-C, and has 4-C durability. Fair match with her don't think is possible, will have to match her against a 4-C character lol.

Edit: Also considering level 800's should normally do more than 9,999 damaged every hit since that's what Sanieve restricted Karkinos to, and the damage limit which is star level is 99,999, anyone on the level of the Heavenly Stars can kill a star level character in 10 hits according to AWLBA logic....
 
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Oh yeah...her first move is usually bracchium. So she'll start with with an autohit that cant be dodged. Never thought about that, and bracchium is more busted outside of the verse probably lol. The whole tanking one hit thing due to the hp values is like a Midgard inhabitant thing, so I assume she'll just be tanking star level attacks too. Unless we assume she could only take one hit in a cross match..
 
Actually...now thinking about that logic how would we treat it with them fighting certain tiers, compared to others fighting them. A level 800 can deal considerable damage which is nuts. Also, I'm pretty sure vlad has like 50k HP. Because Benet did 999,999 and took like 20 of his lives at once. Even damage on the low ends for such a lev is like 20,000? 15,000?Still would result in 4-7 hits lmfao. Because I doubt that skill is reducing an already low damage number to 9,999. It's a 10x decrease.

This also leads to their durability vs others though. Like having over 99,999 hp means them tanking at least 1 star level hit. But afterwards then what would we consider it? Or is it different cause the cross character isn't a Midgard inhabitant?

Also, I found something that may buff sagittarius speed. The Pegasus Terra flew on was said to be comparable to the stars. It could reach sub-light speed. Then that the only one out of them who could surpass it was sagittarius. Idk if we assume that is via his skill or not? (This is all them at level 1,000 since volume 8, so it excludes Libra being the fastest as I rmbr her level didn't raise)
 
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Eh Scorpius has like 106K HP so after tanking a star level attack, she would still have like 7K, it's very iffy to suggest you would need like 1/14th of a star level attack to kill her, so idk, at that point the safest bet would be to say you need like Low 5-B ap to kill her, it makes the least assumptions.

Sub-light speed is anything below light, so it's pretty vague, comparable to the stars is an interesting statement though, if it's sub-light speed, it can't be equal to the speed of light, so if that statement exists, would be iffy to me.

Sagittarius should probably scale to like a boosted level 1000 though.
 
Yeah, it's said to be no slower than the stars and moved fast enough to the point it disappeared. Sublight speed itself means nothing, but it does line up with the fact they aren't speed of light yet. As for a boosted level 1,000 comparison idk, he certainly seems to be the fastest of the stars though. This may include Leon

An above level 99,999 hp person having low 5-B dura after a star level hit seems to make sense though. It's effective as a smurf. Varies a lot, but a beefy 1 million hp at level 1,000 is still nuts to me.

Also we wouldn't put "higher off midgard" for those above level 1,000 right? Like the damage cap kinda gets thrown out the window at that point cause they'd nuke the planet

Edit: I think Sanieve got a little mistake. His Ouroboros key is 5-B and says he can destroy planets, but he can destroy stars in the scan.
 
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Reading through a certain part basically confirms a lot of the scaling here. Orm is the stronger out of most, and I guess Leon is just unlucky...cause dude can't win at all in any scenario. But he also can't break level limits. And Aigokeros is apparently the strongest heavenly star. Makes sense as his max level is 1350. But he can't break the law limit.

So Orm > Benet Leon and Aigokeros. Benet is superior if she breaks her limits, and Leon is just uhh, he gets no scenario at all. But Leon may just be the overall weakest, even with his higher stats
 
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Did Ruphas become a complete singularity when it passed Alovenus? Has he become an entity that Alovenus cannot reach even if he wants to?
 
Alovenus could get up and keep fighting her, but she basically accepted she lost. It's a will thing. So even if she decided to fight against Ruphas specifically, she'd get speed blitzed again by being one step behind.

Not so much about any singularity stuff
 
Leon is the strongest of the Stars, but I don't think his stats are that much better than like level 1000 Ruphas or Orm.

When talking about planet busting, even Ouroboros can't destroy Midgard in 1 blow and we know they are star level, I guess you could say the same is going on there, but seems kinda iffy for Leon to be like a 100x above other level 1000's, Sol is a match for him as well, and Sol excluding HP, is Ruphas level.
 
Anime is coming October, sooner than I thought.

Key visual is cool

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Celestial_Pegasus said:
Leon is the strongest of the Stars, but I don't think his stats are that much better than like level 1000 Ruphas or Orm.

When talking about planet busting, even Ouroboros can't destroy Midgard in 1 blow and we know they are star level, I guess you could say the same is going on there, but seems kinda iffy for Leon to be like a 100x above other level 1000's, Sol is a match for him as well, and Sol excluding HP, is Ruphas level.
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I feel like it's a similar case here, specifically because he also talks about how they can destroy planets. He shouldn't lagging behind in power, but there is a gap in the destruction they can do. Strictly because of the limit wall. Described as a mere single level, of 1,000, and 1,0001. Which allows them to ignore mitigation towards the planet. Plus I doubt 1 level difference would jump him from low 5-B to 5-B. So maybe this would just be a buff for boosted level 1,000s? Would make sense if 99,999 is star level AP, but they show they don't need to do 99,999 damage to turn a planet to dust.

On that note though, some of the statements can make it confusing. Like it being said Thulu surpassed Leon(while he was underwater, not bypassing the law yet, I assume this is boss character wise? Like HP stat and regen). Then Dina also says Aigokeros is the strongest star basically, and confirms Orm is stronger than Ruphas, Benet, and Leon. That one makes sense tho, he severely held back against Ruphas
 
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