A Song of Ice and Fire CRT¹

[Renitr]

Lifting Strenght

[Sandor Clegane]
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Referring to some of GOT TV Series characters whose lifting strength scaling from deflects-trades sword blows. For example

Oberyn Martell

It is a big and beautiful world. Most of us live and die in the same corner where we were born and never get to see any of it. I don't want to be most of us.Oberyn Martell Wait. Are you dying? No, no, no, you can't die yet, you haven't confessed. Say it. Say her name. Elia Martell. You raped...

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I propose to upgrade LS of Sandor to Class 5. He traded blows with his brother

Game of Thrones Eddard VII

https://imgur.com/gallery/DM6FnSx

Gregor have class 5 LS

Gregor Clegane (A Song of Ice and Fire)

Ser Gregor Clegane is the Knight of Clegane's Keep and the head of House Clegane, a landed knight and bannerman to House Lannister of Casterly Rock. Gregor is a freakishly large man and for this, he is often called the Mountain That Rides or simply the Mountain. His soldiers are known as the...

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I know that book said that Gregor is stronger than his younger brother, but nevertheless Sandor can fight against him being in holding back state (tv series Oberyn is also weaker than Mountain but that doesn't stop him from having Class 5 LS )


[Jon Snow] LS upgrade?
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I'm not really sure about this, but Jon seemed to be able to struggle against Wight for a while? About the fact that book write that corpse was too heavy for Jon. Maybe it's because Jon thought he couldn't escape because corpse was heavy for him, but really because Wight was too strong for Jon?

Game of Thrones Jon VII

https://imgur.com/gallery/7tedPIW

Anyway. Wights have Class 5 LS

Wights (A Song of Ice and Fire)

Wights are dead men or creatures resurrected by the Others through necromancy, seemingly when touched by the cold that accompanies them. Anyone who falls against the Others must be burned, or else the dead will rise again as their thralls. Tier: 9-C Name: Wights, Army of the Dead Origin: A Song...

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And therefore Jon should maybe have At most Class 5 LS? Or Superhuman LS Since he was able to struggle against Wight for a short time? Anyway it's not up to me to decide, but more knowledgeable people and staff members. What do you think?

Abilities
[Wights]

Limited Fear Inducement

[All animals except Jon dire wolf were horrified when Wights corpses were close to them]

Game of Thrones Jon VII

https://imgur.com/gallery/SHiMico

Body Control

[Wight's arm that Jon sliced off could move]
Game of Thrones Jon VII

https://imgur.com/gallery/vYVYl27

Resistence to Pain

It seems quite obvious to me. Why this is not in current Wights profile is not clear to me. Jon chopped off Wight's arm, cut his face, and dire wolf ghost gutted him, but Wight showed no signs of pain.

Game of Thrones Jon VII

https://imgur.com/gallery/2hoYEvY

Limited Resistence to Enhanced Smell
[Wight corpses have no smell, and people with a good smell can't really smell Wight corpses]

Game of Thrones Jon VII

https://imgur.com/gallery/uDlOIdk

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Referring to some of GOT TV Series characters whose lifting strength scaling from deflects-trades sword blows. For example

Oberyn Martell

It is a big and beautiful world. Most of us live and die in the same corner where we were born and never get to see any of it. I don't want to be most of us.Oberyn Martell Wait. Are you dying? No, no, no, you can't die yet, you haven't confessed. Say it. Say her name. Elia Martell. You raped...

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I propose to upgrade LS of Sandor to Class 5. He traded blows with his brother

Game of Thrones Eddard VII
https://imgur.com/gallery/DM6FnSx
Gregor have class 5 LS

Gregor Clegane (A Song of Ice and Fire)

Ser Gregor Clegane is the Knight of Clegane's Keep and the head of House Clegane, a landed knight and bannerman to House Lannister of Casterly Rock. Gregor is a freakishly large man and for this, he is often called the Mountain That Rides or simply the Mountain. His soldiers are known as the...

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I know that book said that Gregor is stronger than his younger brother, but nevertheless Sandor can fight against him being in holding back state (tv series Oberyn is also weaker than Mountain but that doesn't stop him from having Class 5 LS )

Well, if deflect-trade blows count as scaling, that's fine.

[Jon Snow] LS upgrade?
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I'm not really sure about this, but Jon seemed to be able to struggle against Wight for a while? About the fact that book write that corpse was too heavy for Jon. Maybe it's because Jon thought he couldn't escape because corpse was heavy for him, but really because Wight was too strong for Jon?

Game of Thrones Jon VII
https://imgur.com/gallery/7tedPIW
Anyway. Wights have Class 5 LS

Wights (A Song of Ice and Fire)

Wights are dead men or creatures resurrected by the Others through necromancy, seemingly when touched by the cold that accompanies them. Anyone who falls against the Others must be burned, or else the dead will rise again as their thralls. Tier: 9-C Name: Wights, Army of the Dead Origin: A Song...

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And therefore Jon should maybe have At most Class 5 LS? Or Superhuman LS Since he was able to struggle against Wight for a short time? Anyway it's not up to me to decide, but more knowledgeable people and staff members. What do you think?

Honestly I don't think so.

Abilities
[Wights]

Limited Fear Inducement

[All animals except Jon dire wolf were horrified when Wights corpses were close to them]

Game of Thrones Jon VII
https://imgur.com/gallery/SHiMico

Even bacteria and fungi are afraid because Wights don't rot. I've proposed this before but it was rejected.

Body Control

[Wight's arm that Jon sliced off could move]
Game of Thrones Jon VII
https://imgur.com/gallery/vYVYl27

Is this really body control?

Resistence to Pain

It seems quite obvious to me. Why this is not in current Wights profile is not clear to me. Jon chopped off Wight's arm, cut his face, and dire wolf ghost gutted him, but Wight showed no signs of pain.

Game of Thrones Jon VII
https://imgur.com/gallery/2hoYEvY

I didn't include this as resistance to pain manipulation because it just seemed like stamina to me, but when I think about it it could also be the former

Limited Resistence to Enhanced Smell
[Wight corpses have no smell, and people with a good smell can't really smell Wight corpses]

Game of Thrones Jon VII
https://imgur.com/gallery/uDlOIdk

They don't smell because they haven't decomposed.

 

[Renitr]

You write that even bacteria and fungi are afraid because Wights don't rot and later you read that They don't smell because they haven't decomposed. Huh?? Don't these words contradict each other?
I advise you to re-read Jon VII chapter. As far as I remember Sam to be saying that it's strange that these corpses haven't decomposed yet. That is, I don't see any reason why wights can't have limited resistence to enhanced smell. And yes, when your severed arm can move, it's body control. I advise you to look at powers and abilities in Wights TV Series profile to understand how abilities work

Wights

A Wight is a reanimated corpse, either human or animal, raised from death by the Night King or the White Walkers with the use of necromancy. Wights were often referred to collectively as the Army of the Dead. Anyone who falls against the White Walkers must be burned, or else the dead will rise...

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And because in overall wights from the tv series and books have similar powers and abilities

 

[LordTracer]

I propose to upgrade LS of Sandor to Class 5. He traded blows with his brother

Sure.

And therefore Jon should maybe have At most Class 5 LS? Or Superhuman LS Since he was able to struggle against Wight for a short time? Anyway it's not up to me to decide, but more knowledgeable people and staff members. What do you think?

Uh, no. Jon got completely overpowered by the Wight and his struggling did pretty much nothing. Disagree.

Limited Fear Inducement

[All animals except Jon dire wolf were horrified when Wights corpses were close to them]

Fear Manipulation is specifically for supernatural fear, this would be Limited Social Influencing.

Body Control

[Wight's arm that Jon sliced off could move]

Fine.

Resistence to Pain

It seems quite obvious to me. Why this is not in current Wights profile is not clear to me. Jon chopped off Wight's arm, cut his face, and dire wolf ghost gutted him, but Wight showed no signs of pain.

That’s just a stamina feat, “Resistance to Pain” isn’t an indexable ability.

Limited Resistence to Enhanced Smell
[Wight corpses have no smell, and people with a good smell can't really smell Wight corpses]

Sure.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Huh?? Don't these words contradict each other?

No.
Wights don't rot because even bacteria and fungi are afraid of them, so they don't rot and therefore don't have the smell of decomposition. It's not a resistance to enhanced senses.

Btw, where did you get the screenshots of the passages from the books? I only have the physical books so having the digital books would be convenient for me for the profiles.

 

[Renitr]

No.
Wights don't rot because even bacteria and fungi are afraid of them, so they don't rot and therefore don't have the smell of decomposition. It's not a resistance to enhanced senses.

Btw, where did you get the screenshots of the passages from the books? I only have the physical books so having the digital books would be convenient for me for the profiles.

https://oceanofpdf.com/authors/george-r-r-martin/pdf-epub-a-game-of-thrones-a-song-of-ice-and-fire-1-download-22898046509/

 

[Renitr]

Sure.

Uh, no. Jon got completely overpowered by the Wight and his struggling did pretty much nothing. Disagree.

Fear Manipulation is specifically for supernatural fear, this would be Limited Social Influencing.

Fine.

That’s just a stamina feat, “Resistance to Pain” isn’t an indexable ability.

Sure.

It's not entirely clear to me why pain resistence is not an indexed ability. Characters like John Wick and Michael Myers have Pain Inhibition ability themselves, despite their superhuman stamina. Wights and Mountain from the tv show have resistence to pain,

Wights

A Wight is a reanimated corpse, either human or animal, raised from death by the Night King or the White Walkers with the use of necromancy. Wights were often referred to collectively as the Army of the Dead. Anyone who falls against the White Walkers must be burned, or else the dead will rise...

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I can even show a thread where these ability for Undead Gregor were approved by the staff.
Thread 'Game of Thrones General CRT²' https://vsbattles.com/threads/game-of-thrones-general-crt2.170032/

So why wights from books can't have resistence to pain unlike wights and gregor from tv show? In wight vs Jon fight, it wasn't written at all that wight felt pain at all (that is, there wasn't even his grunts after received wounds). I have a scan on imgur that says wight doesn't feel wounds inflicted on it.

 

[RoTt35]

Resistance to Pain only qualifies for characters who are specifically stated to not be able to feel pain, everything else would just be stamina

 

[LordTracer]

Characters like John Wick and Michael Myers have Pain Inhibition ability themselves, despite their superhuman stamina.

And that’s wrong, Resistance to Pain Manipulation is only supposed to be given to characters who straight up cannot feel pain, not just having a tolerance to it. Pain tolerance is just stamina.

So why wights from books can't have resistence to pain unlike wights and gregor from tv show?

Because it’s specifically stated that they don’t feel pain. Unless the Wights in the books are also stated to be incapable of feeling pain, their tolerance feats are just stamina feats.

 

[Renitr]

And that’s wrong, Resistance to Pain Manipulation is only supposed to be given to characters who straight up cannot feel pain, not just having a tolerance to it. Pain tolerance is just stamina.

Because it’s specifically stated that they don’t feel pain. Unless the Wights in the books are also stated to be incapable of feeling pain, their tolerance feats are just stamina feats.

Ok. I didn't know about it.

 

[Renitr]

Resistance to Pain only qualifies for characters who are specifically stated to not be able to feel pain, everything else would just be stamina

ThanksI understand stamina better now.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I share the same thoughts as Tracer.