A present for Earl

[TriforcePower1]

Ikki Kurogane vs Misogi Kumagawa

Yes. This is just too good to not be done. Both are the "weakest" character of their verse but they basically destroy everyone who gets in their way Except Iihiko. Also because I feel like Kumagawa either hates Ikki for being a main character who always win or he likes him for being the underdog that managed to trample the strong.

Ikki is at "Vermillion Empire Arc", he starts at base but he can powerup, Kumagawa has both All-Fiction (the one from Hundred Gauntlets) and Bookmaker. I'm not sure if Ikki starts at Desperado in this key, but I feel like it would be fair anyway thanks to bookmaker.

Speed probably doesn't need to be equalized due to Kuma's "lol King Crimson", plus I don't know how high is base Ikki's "FTL".

Even if my opponent is more powerful than me, I will win. It is the answer that I, the weakest one, came up with:

I want to beat the talented, smart, likable, over-achieving people. I want to beat the people who work hard when I can't work hard. I want to prove that I'm better than the main characters!!:

I don't know what to write in here. I'm open to suggestions


I have Skill!


I have Minus!

 

[Ionliosite]

I'm sure Ikki's FTL is baseline.

 

[TriforcePower1]

So they basically start at the same speed. Noice

 

[Firephoenixearl]

I'm sure Ikki's FTL is baseline.

blitz sol

 

[RatherClueless]

well, this is gonna be fun owo *grabs popcorn

 

[Firephoenixearl]

This is a stomp in ikki's favour. With or without speed equal. I'll argue later.

 

[TriforcePower1]

blitz sol

I feel like this may make it even funnier.

Gooooooood

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Or I guess I should say. He is way faster than ouma who blitzes stella.

Right now he just demolishes.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Also nice quote on ikki there. Kudos.

 

[TriforcePower1]

That moment when you're the OP so you cannot vote to start speeding up this thread...

So, couple of questions right out of the bat, does Ikki start in Desperado in this key?

 

[Ionliosite]

Vermillion Empire is permanently Desperado, so yes.

 

[TriforcePower1]

Okay. So, question that is basically the whole match.

How would Bookmaker interact with Desperado Ikki?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Okay. So, question that is basically the whole match.

How would Bookmaker interact with Desperado Ikki?

2 possibilities:

1. It won't affect it similar to how it can't affect medaka's ability to be a protagonist

2. It will affect it. Which will mean ikki gets bookmakered then it evolves into a stalemate. With ikki eventually winning due to having a mentality advantage. He could beat 4 clones because of the very same reason.

 

[TriforcePower1]

The first one is just, pretty literally, canon PIS.

For the second one, Kuma still has All Fiction.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Yes it couldn't stop the trait of being favoured by plot/ fate. Why would it affect the trait to be beyond it?

Yes but desperado lol nopes anything from all fiction.

 

[TriforcePower1]

Because in the first place, Medaka apparently won via "having the support if her allies and enemies while Kumagawa only had the support of his allies", or something like that.

Wouldn't Bookmaker negate Desperado?

 

[Schnee_One]

Doesn't it need to be activated? Pretty sure Misogi doesn't have any passives

 

[TriforcePower1]

Kumagawa doesn't have passives (except probably his resurrection).

 

[Schnee_One]

Then we run into the problem

If the passives work, it's a stomp fir Ikki

If not, it's a stomp for Misogi.

So.....DELET?

 

[TriforcePower1]

I don't see why passives not working would make it an automatic stomp for Kumagawa.

Especially considering that Earl and I are still debating. Kinda

 

[Schnee_One]

Because that's his only win con......?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

What passives?

@Triforce

Yes, basically something that wasn't skill, growth, stat or hax.

Depends. It wouldn't make him affected by causality if he's beyond it. Same as how it doesn't turn someone from 4D to 3D if it hits. That's the idea, some very special traits of existence don't get nulled.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Does Ikki have any instant hax? Kumagawa can still Book Maker blitz or thought based screw spawn since they do not mess with ikki's causal systems

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Kumagawa doesn't have passives (except probably his resurrection).

He has his minus shenanigens

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Bookmaker blitz would not end the fight.

Screw Spawn wouldn't end it either.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Depends on where he screws it, and since this is Kumagawa, he will land the screws where they will end the fight. Book Maker will also make it so Kumagawa is just a better version of Ikki

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Kumas screw spam doesn't deal damage.

Not a better version. An equal version. Ikki's transcendence over his limit should still give him an edge.

 

[InfiniteSped]

If Kuma has both Bookmaker and AF, he should still have an advantage even with Ikki sealed, no?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

If Kuma has both Bookmaker and AF, he should still have an advantage even with Ikki sealed, no?

The idea is. All fiction is useless against a desperado.

 

[InfiniteSped]

why doe

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Acausality

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

He has his minus shenanigens

 

[Ionliosite]

Why do you revive a 2 months old stomp?

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

Because there was an argument left unaddressed.

 

[Schnee_One]

And that's a problem.....Why?

 

[Dai1001]

I mean, we don't use Medakas mc ability in every thread she is in do we?

 

[Schnee_One]

No in fact we don't even use it at all anymore

 

[InfiniteSped]

We prob should, but that's for some other time

 

[Dai1001]

Good, then why should we treat Kumagawa any different?

 

[Mr._Common_Sense]

Kumagawa, becuase I say so. Wrap the thread up and add it to both profiles.