A not so regular size downgrade (Way Big downgrade)

Currently, we scale Ben's Way Big to Albedo's Way Big, who destroyed a planet in Cosmic Destruction.

But there's an enormous problem with that:
- They made it clear that Ben could only had a chance of fighting that To'kustar if he uses Potis Altiare, otherwise, he would get stomped, literally.

So, Way Big shouldn't scale to a feat done by someone way stronger than him.

So, what now?

We can still scaling Way Big to:

• The Conquest Ray destroying Pluto
• Malware surviving the destruction of Galvan B

Making him 5-A (Large Planet level).

This would of course affect the current scaling chain of the rest of Ben's aliens.

Agree: @Maverick_Zero_X (upscaling from Conquest Ray), @Ben_10_Stick_Nodes, @Infinitinet, @Ghengiroo115
Disagree:
Neutral:

 

[King_Dom470]

Get out of the versus threads lil bro

 

[Ben_10_Stick_Nodes]

Disagree, Waybig one tapped all ultimates at once including Ultimate Humungausour

 

[GeneralSol16]

Disagree, Waybig one tapped all ultimates at once including Ultimate Humungausour

And...?
I don't see the connection with this.

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

Waybig scales to, likely higher than Ultimate Humungousaur. So he'd still be High 5A.

 

[GeneralSol16]

Waybig scales to, likely higher than Ultimate Humungousaur. So he'd still be High 5A.

Ultimate Humungousaur is High 5-A because he downscales from Way Big, dude.

If Way Big gets downgraded, Ult Haaur will be downgraded too.

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

Ultimate Humungousaur is High 5-A because he downscales from Way Big, dude.

If Way Big gets downgraded, Ult Haaur will be downgraded too.

Both Ultimate Humungousaur and Ultimate Echo Echo scale to High 5A because they were comparable to Ultimate Kevin. Where was it discussed that Ultimate Humungousaur scales to High 5A by being weaker than Way Big?

 

[GeneralSol16]

Both Ultimate Humungousaur and Ultimate Echo Echo scale to High 5A because they were comparable to Ultimate Kevin. Where was it discussed that Ultimate Humungousaur scales to High 5A by being weaker than Way Big?

Ultimate Kevin ks H5A cuz he is 1/10th of Way Big's power.

 

[Ben_10_Stick_Nodes]

Ultimate Kevin ks H5A cuz he is 1/10th of Way Big's power.

Conquest ray was stated to be destroy Earth in Alien Force, Waybig overpowered it. Did you add a timestamp to video?

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

Conquest ray was stated to be destroy Earth in Alien Force, Waybig overpowered it. Did you add a timestamp to video?

Feat was calced at 5A.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Removing the Cosmic Destruction scaling and replacing it with Conquest Ray scaling makes sense.

 

[Ben_10_Stick_Nodes]

Feat was calced at 5A.

Albedos Feat is coming from Destroying multiple Planets so does Conquest ray

 

[GeneralSol16]

Albedos Feat is coming from Destroying multiple Planets so does Conquest ray

We can't scale the CR to a Earth destruction, we don't have the timeframe of the feat for that.

We can only use the Pluto destruction.

 

[Ben_10_Stick_Nodes]

We can't scale the CR to a Earth destruction, we don't have the timeframe of the feat for that.

We can only use the Pluto destruction.

Fair enough so every high 5a alien will be downgraded to 5A?

 

[DivineAura44]

Why wasn't this made as a Content Revision Threads?

 

[GeneralSol16]

Fair enough so every high 5a alien will be downgraded to 5A?

If this gets approved, yes.

 

[Ben_10_Stick_Nodes]

If this gets approved, yes.

i see, disagree to agree then

 

[GlaceonGamez471]

Dope vs thread ya got here

 

[DivineAura44]

i see, disagree to agree then

You mean agree to disagree?

 

[Ben_10_Stick_Nodes]

You mean agree to.disagree?

i agree with the thread

 

[Flashlight237]

Removing the Cosmic Destruction scaling and replacing it with Conquest Ray scaling makes sense.

Hey, could you move this to Content Revision real quick?

 

[GeneralSol16]

Hey, could you move this to Content Revision real quick?

I'm so sorry for that, I just didn't know (and still don't know lol) how to tag properly this things.

 

[DivineAura44]

I'm so sorry for that, I just didn't know (and still don't know lol) how to tag properly this things.

It happens all the time, even by experienced users. You'll be fine.

 

[GeneralSol16]

Bump

 

[Greenshifter]

Removing the Cosmic Destruction scaling and replacing it with Conquest Ray scaling makes sense.

No it doesn’t, Albedo used Way Big’s DNA. Also the Potis Altiare only amps someone several (less than 10) times iirc. The statement of Ben getting stomped also includes aliens like Nanomech, who beat Mad Way Big, so you shouldn’t take the statement too literal.

 

[REX9097]

No it doesn’t, Albedo used Way Big’s DNA. Also the Potis Altiare only amps someone several (less than 10) times iirc. The statement of Ben getting stomped also includes aliens like Nanomech, who beat Mad Way Big, so you shouldn’t take the statement too literal.

Kevin didn't even know about power of Evil Waybig

 

[Infinitinet]

Agreed.

 

[GeneralSol16]

Kevin didn't even know about power of Evil Waybig

It wasn't just Gwen lol, Kevin and Azmuth himself said that Ben couldn't defeat the To'kustar without the PA.

 

[GeneralSol16]

No it doesn’t, Albedo used Way Big’s DNA.

No, he used To'kustar DNA, not Way Big's.
And that doesn't change things at all.

Also the Potis Altiare only amps someone several (less than 10) times iirc.

They never say a specific multiplier.

The statement of Ben getting stomped also includes aliens like Nanomech, who beat Mad Way Big, so you shouldn’t take the statement too literal.

It's not like Nanomech would beat Way Big, at least not in this context

And they talk about raw power in the statement, at least Azmuth does (which is the most important one)

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

They never say a specific multiplier.

It says that in increases the user's normal abilities 7 fold. Unless there evidence saying otherwise.
I think a seperate key for Waybig with Poltis Altiare should then be added if this downgrade happens.

Both Ben and Albedo's aliens are the same. Albedo states that he only has access to all of Ben's aliens due to their databases being locked.

 

[GeneralSol16]

It says that in increases the user's normal abilities 7 fold.

Ahh..what? It doesn't say nothing, and even then, that's never specified in the game at all, so it's not like the wiki matters.

Unless there evidence saying otherwise.
I think a seperate key for Waybig with Poltis Altiare should then be added if this downgrade happens.

Idk, this is not canon, it's not like it affects Ben Prime.

Both Ben and Albedo's aliens are the same. Albedo states that he only has access to all of Ben's aliens due to their databases being locked.

Yes, but they say textually that Albedo's form is stronger than anything that Ben has at the moment with just the Ultimatrix.

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

Yes, but they say textually that Albedo's form is stronger than anything that Ben has at the moment with just the Ultimatrix.

He'd still scale to Brown Darf due to scaling above Ultimate Humungousaur/Echo Echo due to them scaling to Ultimate Kevin and him scaling above Ultimate Aggregor.

"Characters that scale to Ultimate Aggregor scales to the combined power and durability of Aggregor, Ra'ad, Galapagus, P'andor, Bivalvan and Andreas via Ultimate Aggregor being a combination of all of them, reaching 22.61766 Ronnatons (High 5-A)"
-Add this in as an option for a down scale.

 

[REX9097]

He'd still scale to Brown Darf due to scaling above Ultimate Humungousaur/Echo Echo due to them scaling to Ultimate Kevin and him scaling above Ultimate Aggregor.

"Characters that scale to Ultimate Aggregor scales to the combined power and durability of Aggregor, Ra'ad, Galapagus, P'andor, Bivalvan and Andreas via Ultimate Aggregor being a combination of all of them, reaching 22.61766 Ronnatons (High 5-A)"
-Add this in as an option for a down scale.

Also Waybig can one-shot all Ultimate Aliens, and it is also 10 times stronger than Ultimate Kevin, so he has 226.1766 Ronnatons" (High 5-A)"

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

Also Waybig can one-shot all Ultimate Aliens, and it is also 10 times stronger than Ultimate Kevin, so he has 226.1766 Ronnatons" (High 5-A)"

No. Ultimate Kevin scales to....
"Characters that scale to Ultimate Kevin scale to 37.6961 Ronnaton (High 5-A) due to Ultimate Kevin being composed of 1/10th of the combined power of the entire active playlist of the Ultimatrix at the time, including Way Big and every Ultimate Form used so far and also having 1/10th of Ultimate Aggregor's power."
So Ultimate Kevin, and Ultimates like Humungousaur and Echo Echo, would likely take a downgrade if Waybig gets downgraded.

 

[Ghengiroo115]

Guys, the only reason every character is 5-A/High 5-A currently is because of how strong Way Big is. If Way Big gets downgraded to 5-A, every character gets downgraded as they’re now downscaling from a weaker character. Ultimate Aggregor, Ultimate Kevin and Ultimate Humungousaur will no longer be High 5-A.

Anyways right now I agree with the thread.

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

Guys, the only reason every character is 5-A/High 5-A currently is because of how strong Way Big is. If Way Big gets downgraded to 5-A, every character gets downgraded as they’re now downscaling from a weaker character. Ultimate Aggregor, Ultimate Kevin and Ultimate Humungousaur will no longer be High 5-A.

Anyways right now I agree with the thread.

No. Ultimate Aggregor scales to High 5A without any influence from Way Big as far as I know. So characters that scale to him or higher are still H5A.

 

[GeneralSol16]

No. Ultimate Aggregor scales to High 5A without any influence from Way Big as far as I know. So characters that scale to him or higher are still H5A.

Dude, Aggregor scales to H5A because he scales from aliens that are 5-A cuz of Way Big, there's no other PS, just Way Big.

Literally the person that answered you was the one who upgraded the verse to Tier 5, lol

 

[Spectral69420]

If this passes will Way Big scale to Galvan B's destruction or the Conquest Ray?

 

[GeneralSol16]

If this passes will Way Big scale to Galvan B's destruction or the Conquest Ray?

The Conquest Ray is 100% sure that yes, but the Galvan B thing is more complicated.