A magic talking tiger vs a murderous doll (0-8-0) GRACE

[King_Dom470]

Rules:

• Both are in character but want to win
• Chucky starts in a stealthy position
• Chucky gets a piece of paper that outlines Hobbes basic stats and abilities, and gets an hour of prep time
• Victory via any means
• They start 5 meters away from each other
• Chucky has his knife and a grenade
• SBA for everything else

Chucky:

Hobbes: (AThe1412, Peppersalt43, Mariogoods, Oiguana2701, King_Dom470, Ecstasy_Amphetamine, AStrangeverse, CrackerVolley)

 

[Imaginym]

Does Chucky have any specific value that his Durability, AP or Striking Strength scale to?
Or is he just Street Level for wielding weapons with no calc?

Because calc-less characters are assumed to be baseline.
As much as I'd love to imagine two tough guy toys tearing each other apart, Hobbes's calc puts him at what is probably a casual 13,028.25282 joules.

Meanwhile, baseline Street Level Chucky would be a laughable 300 Joules. Meaning Hobbes scales above 43.33~ times Chucky's value.

Forget toying with his fellow plaything, Hobbes handles this match like it actually looks like: Like a tiger vs a toddler; Hobbes bitch slaps Chucky & he's blown to bits.

& since Chucky doesn't know what value his opponent scales to, his chances lay in a couple of questions:

1. Does Chucky perceive Hobbes as a toy tiger or an actual tiger? Because he might be more wary & pragmatic if he thinks he's fighting an actual tiger.
2. What does Chucky lead with? Because he might have a chance if he can execute his magic before Hobbes executes him.

 

[King_Dom470]

Does Chucky have any specific value that his Durability, AP or Striking Strength scale to?
Or is he just Street Level for wielding weapons with no calc?

Because calc-less characters are assumed to be baseline.
As much as I'd love to imagine two tough guy toys tearing each other apart, Hobbes's calc puts him at what is probably a casual 13,028.25282 joules.

Meanwhile, baseline Street Level Chucky would be a laughable 300 Joules. Meaning Hobbes scales above 43.33~ times Chucky's value.

Forget toying with his fellow plaything, Hobbes handles this match like it actually looks like: Like a tiger vs a toddler; Hobbes bitch slaps Chucky & he's blown to bits.

& since Chucky doesn't know what value his opponent scales to, his chances lay in a couple of questions:

1. Does Chucky perceive Hobbes as a toy tiger or an actual tiger? Because he might be more wary & pragmatic if he thinks he's fighting an actual tiger.
2. What does Chucky lead with? Because he might have a chance if he can execute his magic before Hobbes executes him.

I think chuckys immortality and regeneration would help him out. Also he has a knife so he just scales to whatever value knives have and chucky is far more aggressive so he’d lead with trying to sneak up on Hobbes and stab him. Or if Hobbes is feeling aggressive he would try to leap onto chucky (this is how he starts pretty much ever fight). And I doubt he would see Hobbes as an actual tiger since even from Calvin’s perspective he’s only a little taller than a 6 year old boy. And since chucky has far better lifting strength he would 100% be capable of overpowering hobbes and then just trying to stab him (since he’s a stuffed animal this would be very effective).

 

[Imaginym]

I think chuckys immortality and regeneration would help him out. Also he has a knife so he just scales to whatever value knives have and chucky is far more aggressive so he’d lead with trying to sneak up on Hobbes and stab him. Or if Hobbes is feeling aggressive he would try to leap onto chucky (this is how he starts pretty much ever fight). And I doubt he would see Hobbes as an actual tiger since even from Calvin’s perspective he’s only a little taller than a 6 year old boy. And since chucky has far better lifting strength he would 100% be capable of overpowering hobbes and then just trying to stab him (since he’s a stuffed animal this would be very effective).

Chucky's Immortalities are Type 2 (Resilient), 4 (Reincarnation or Resurrection), & Type 6 (Parasitic).

Type 2 can help for a time, but when you're too destroyed (Ex: All limbs separated, or separated into shards, pounded into powder, etc.), you're practically defeated Type 2, & with this much of an AP & Durability gap, I can see that happening.
Type 4: In Chucky's case, it's "even after being nearly completely burned, having his head shot off, and being shot in the heart, Chucky still lives in the doll and will be alive if it is repaired".
Presuming this is for the "will be alive if it is repaired", this means Chucky won't be able to fight any more -Which Type 2 covers- & will revive if the doll gets repaired, but that's not really happening because his Regeneration isn't good enough, & Hobbes is gonna be doing the opposite of putting him back together.
Type 6 is because Chucky can go into new bodies, which he doesn't really have access to here.

Regeneration:
Regeneration (High-Low; can reattach his limbs and even his head)

"One-shots in versus threads​

Assuming a situation in which one character has humanoid physiology and is hit in the torso region, the assailant will normally be treated as needing an attack potency 7.5 times higher than their opponent's durability in order to one-shot them."

Spoiler: "Some important points to consider regarding this guideline are listed below:"

• The gap of 7.5x is based on the difference between a street level character and a human level character, with the former being commonly accepted as capable of one-shotting the latter,
• This value is only an approximation, and the actual gap can be higher or lower depending on certain factors. As such, it should not be assumed that a gap of 7.5x will lead to a one-shot in every single situation without exception.
• For example, If one character exhibited his level of attack potency casually and another nearly died while exhibiting his level of durability, then the gap between their respective statistics that is needed for a one-shot to happen may in fact be lower than 7.5x.
• A character can be one-shot without a significant advantage in strength if one targets their weakpoints. This does not apply for those characters who are able to take hits to their weakpoints like any other location on their body.
• This gap is strictly for versus debating purposes, and will not apply when attempting to derive the attack potency of a character based on a feat of one-shotting another character in his or her verse.

Among other info on that page. A rough summation is that the one-shot range varies from verse to verse, & 7.5x is a presumption for versus threads in the absence of known in-verse one-shot ranges/values, & -to Chucky's credit- an assumption of humanoid physiology.

Still, to Chucky's discredit, even if he has the physiology of a doll, that probably isn't enough to prevent being outmuscled by 43.3x getting you literally destroyed - as in, I could believe he'd actually be shattered into many pieces from a single hit.

Being able to reattach your limbs ain't gonna do much when you're broken that bad, & High-Low isn't even that good of Regeneration; It is the 3rd lowest level of Regeneration.
High-Low: The ability to regenerate severed fingers, toes, or ears, minor organ damage, and even potentially reattach lost limbs. For machines and vehicles, this would be regenerating some interior damage, along with some minor critically damaged or destroyed parts.


AFAIK, we don't have values for knives, as they rely on piercing damage, which involves lots of force in a small point, but stabbing Hobbes probably doesn't work out that well:
A. If he's regular tiger size, Chucky needs to put in more holes than he would for a human, yet Hobbes only needs 1 good hit to devastate Chucky.
B. If Hobbes is a plushie, stabbing stuffing isn't that devastating, as a stuffed toy doesn't "bleed" as easily as a human, AFAIK.

chucky is far more aggressive so he’d lead with trying to sneak up on Hobbes and stab him.

Standard Battle Assumptions

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"State of mind: In character, but will attempt to win the battle.."
"Each character will view their opponents as enemies, who they have to assume wish to cause them severe harm such that losing could have any range of dire consequences."

"Knowledge of the other character/verse: The characters know the direction their opponent(s) start in. Furthermore, they get knowledge of the character's appearance, equivalent to the knowledge they could have gained if they would have been allowed to briefly observe the form opponent(s) starting in using their senses of sight, hearing, smell, taste and touch (or equivalent). It's assumed that they only get the information necessary to identify the opponent(s), so abilities like Information Analysis can not be used based on this knowledge. Negative effects of the observation, such as those caused by Madness Manipulation Type 3, are assumed to not apply for this knowledge either. Aside from this, the characters have no knowledge of each other."


Per SBA, Hobbes is already aware of & hostile to Chucky & the direction towards him; Even if Chucky tried playing doll/dead, Hobbes would still have at least a good idea of the appearance & direction of the demonic doll he desires to demolish.

& Hobbes losing track of Chucky is unlikely when, if Hobbes is anything like a tiger, is an ambush predator himself -& ambushed someone Chucky's size, namely Calvin, on a daily basis- & he has Enhanced Senses (Keen sense of smell). Not to mention, Hobbes has Stealth Mastery, too. (As well as Afterimage Creation & Surface Scaling.)

Or if Hobbes is feeling aggressive he would try to leap onto chucky (this is how he starts pretty much ever fight). And since chucky has far better lifting strength he would 100% be capable of overpowering hobbes and then just trying to stab him (since he’s a stuffed animal this would be very effective).

Besides that he is aggressive per SBA....
Being tackled by someone many timers your Durability, & who has longer limbs; Even if Chucky somehow survived Hobbes tackling him, grabbed both of Hobbes's arms, & put him into a leglock, I'm pretty sure Hobbes's limbs are taller than that of a doll's, meaning Hobbes thrashing about at all severely damages, if not destroys Chucky.
Heck, when the difference is this big, even if Chucky used all 4 of his limbs to bind Hobbes, his tail could still smash the serial killer small pint.

(Also, dolls don't bleed, & making big cuts is hard when your target can probably pulverize your arm with a slap.)

Also, Chucky's Standard Tactics:

Standard Tactics: Chucky typically uses his stealth and small size to ambush his victims, before using his weapons to kill them. Alternatively, he will sneak up on them to knock them out and use his body swapping spell. Chucky usually pretends to be a normal doll until he's picked up, at which point he will pull out his knife and attack. If forced to fight in a direct battle, he typically rushes the opponent, allowing his immortality and body control to enable him to fight despite horrific injuries. He may play dead after seemingly being killed in order to take his foe by surprise after they think they're safe


Chucky apparently typically goes for rushing if he's in a direct confrontation, which seems to be the case here. The AP gap makes him lose even in a 4-way grapple because he gets devastated if not broken to incapacitation by a single hit, be that Hobbes flailing his limbs or tail or headbutting him if it comes to grappling, or just the opening tackle when they charge each other.
Chucky's likely not evading Hobbes's detection since Hobbes is a skilled ambusher himself with Enhanced Senses smell, his own Stealth Mastery, Surface Scaling & Afterimage Creation.

And I doubt he would see Hobbes as an actual tiger since even from Calvin’s perspective he’s only a little taller than a 6 year old boy.

Bruh?

Your typical 6 year is old about 115.5 to 116 cm. https://www.disabled-world.com/calculators-charts/height-weight-teens.php

https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/child-growth/growth-reference-5-19-years/height-for-age-(5-19-years)/hfa-boys-5-19years-per.pdf?sfvrsn=56a734fa_4

Hobbes is portrayed as like, twice Calvin's height.
If Hobbes's size to Chucky is anything like it is to Calvin -Who is taller than Chucky; You can't be above 100 cm with Small Size Type 1- then Hobbes is well over 2 meters tall to Chucky. More than twice Chucky's size.

 

[King_Dom470]

Chucky's Immortalities are Type 2 (Resilient), 4 (Reincarnation or Resurrection), & Type 6 (Parasitic).

Type 2 can help for a time, but when you're too destroyed (Ex: All limbs separated, or separated into shards, pounded into powder, etc.), you're practically defeated Type 2, & with this much of an AP & Durability gap, I can see that happening.
Type 4: In Chucky's case, it's "even after being nearly completely burned, having his head shot off, and being shot in the heart, Chucky still lives in the doll and will be alive if it is repaired".
Presuming this is for the "will be alive if it is repaired", this means Chucky won't be able to fight any more -Which Type 2 covers- & will revive if the doll gets repaired, but that's not really happening because his Regeneration isn't good enough, & Hobbes is gonna be doing the opposite of putting him back together.
Type 6 is because Chucky can go into new bodies, which he doesn't really have access to here.

Regeneration:
Regeneration (High-Low; can reattach his limbs and even his head)

"One-shots in versus threads​

Assuming a situation in which one character has humanoid physiology and is hit in the torso region, the assailant will normally be treated as needing an attack potency 7.5 times higher than their opponent's durability in order to one-shot them."

Spoiler: "Some important points to consider regarding this guideline are listed below:"

• The gap of 7.5x is based on the difference between a street level character and a human level character, with the former being commonly accepted as capable of one-shotting the latter,
• This value is only an approximation, and the actual gap can be higher or lower depending on certain factors. As such, it should not be assumed that a gap of 7.5x will lead to a one-shot in every single situation without exception.
• For example, If one character exhibited his level of attack potency casually and another nearly died while exhibiting his level of durability, then the gap between their respective statistics that is needed for a one-shot to happen may in fact be lower than 7.5x.
• A character can be one-shot without a significant advantage in strength if one targets their weakpoints. This does not apply for those characters who are able to take hits to their weakpoints like any other location on their body.
• This gap is strictly for versus debating purposes, and will not apply when attempting to derive the attack potency of a character based on a feat of one-shotting another character in his or her verse.

Among other info on that page. A rough summation is that the one-shot range varies from verse to verse, & 7.5x is a presumption for versus threads in the absence of known in-verse one-shot ranges/values, & -to Chucky's credit- an assumption of humanoid physiology.

Still, to Chucky's discredit, even if he has the physiology of a doll, that probably isn't enough to prevent being outmuscled by 43.3x getting you literally destroyed - as in, I could believe he'd actually be shattered into many pieces from a single hit.

Being able to reattach your limbs ain't gonna do much when you're broken that bad, & High-Low isn't even that good of Regeneration; It is the 3rd lowest level of Regeneration.
High-Low: The ability to regenerate severed fingers, toes, or ears, minor organ damage, and even potentially reattach lost limbs. For machines and vehicles, this would be regenerating some interior damage, along with some minor critically damaged or destroyed parts.


AFAIK, we don't have values for knives, as they rely on piercing damage, which involves lots of force in a small point, but stabbing Hobbes probably doesn't work out that well:
A. If he's regular tiger size, Chucky needs to put in more holes than he would for a human, yet Hobbes only needs 1 good hit to devastate Chucky.
B. If Hobbes is a plushie, stabbing stuffing isn't that devastating, as a stuffed toy doesn't "bleed" as easily as a human, AFAIK.

Standard Battle Assumptions

The following are the assumptions to be made for battles in versus threads, if no alternative assumptions are specified by the thread creator. Assumptions alternative to these ones can be freely used, are equally legitimate, and threads using different assumptions can be added to profiles just...

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"State of mind: In character, but will attempt to win the battle.."
"Each character will view their opponents as enemies, who they have to assume wish to cause them severe harm such that losing could have any range of dire consequences."

"Knowledge of the other character/verse: The characters know the direction their opponent(s) start in. Furthermore, they get knowledge of the character's appearance, equivalent to the knowledge they could have gained if they would have been allowed to briefly observe the form opponent(s) starting in using their senses of sight, hearing, smell, taste and touch (or equivalent). It's assumed that they only get the information necessary to identify the opponent(s), so abilities like Information Analysis can not be used based on this knowledge. Negative effects of the observation, such as those caused by Madness Manipulation Type 3, are assumed to not apply for this knowledge either. Aside from this, the characters have no knowledge of each other."


Per SBA, Hobbes is already aware of & hostile to Chucky & the direction towards him; Even if Chucky tried playing doll/dead, Hobbes would still have at least a good idea of the appearance & direction of the demonic doll he desires to demolish.

& Hobbes losing track of Chucky is unlikely when, if Hobbes is anything like a tiger, is an ambush predator himself -& ambushed someone Chucky's size, namely Calvin, on a daily basis- & he has Enhanced Senses (Keen sense of smell). Not to mention, Hobbes has Stealth Mastery, too. (As well as Afterimage Creation & Surface Scaling.)

Besides that he is aggressive per SBA....
Being tackled by someone many timers your Durability, & who has longer limbs; Even if Chucky somehow survived Hobbes tackling him, grabbed both of Hobbes's arms, & put him into a leglock, I'm pretty sure Hobbes's limbs are taller than that of a doll's, meaning Hobbes thrashing about at all severely damages, if not destroys Chucky.
Heck, when the difference is this big, even if Chucky used all 4 of his limbs to bind Hobbes, his tail could still smash the serial killer small pint.

(Also, dolls don't bleed, & making big cuts is hard when your target can probably pulverize your arm with a slap.)

Also, Chucky's Standard Tactics:

Standard Tactics: Chucky typically uses his stealth and small size to ambush his victims, before using his weapons to kill them. Alternatively, he will sneak up on them to knock them out and use his body swapping spell. Chucky usually pretends to be a normal doll until he's picked up, at which point he will pull out his knife and attack. If forced to fight in a direct battle, he typically rushes the opponent, allowing his immortality and body control to enable him to fight despite horrific injuries. He may play dead after seemingly being killed in order to take his foe by surprise after they think they're safe


Chucky apparently typically goes for rushing if he's in a direct confrontation, which seems to be the case here. The AP gap makes him lose even in a 4-way grapple because he gets devastated if not broken to incapacitation by a single hit, be that Hobbes flailing his limbs or tail or headbutting him if it comes to grappling, or just the opening tackle when they charge each other.
Chucky's likely not evading Hobbes's detection since Hobbes is a skilled ambusher himself with Enhanced Senses smell, his own Stealth Mastery, Surface Scaling & Afterimage Creation.


Bruh?

Your typical 6 year is old about 115.5 to 116 cm. https://www.disabled-world.com/calculators-charts/height-weight-teens.php

https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/child-growth/growth-reference-5-19-years/height-for-age-(5-19-years)/hfa-boys-5-19years-per.pdf?sfvrsn=56a734fa_4

Hobbes is portrayed as like, twice Calvin's height.
If Hobbes's size to Chucky is anything like it is to Calvin -Who is taller than Chucky; You can't be above 100 cm with Small Size Type 1- then Hobbes is well over 2 meters tall to Chucky. More than twice Chucky's size.

If I gave chucky prior knowledge, the advantage of starting in a stealthy position and/or giving him access to his grenade would that make this a more even match?

 

[Imaginym]

If I gave chucky prior knowledge, the advantage of starting in a stealthy position and/or giving him access to his grenade would that make this a more even match?

Maybe? Prior Knowledge of what, though? Hobbes's AP??
I guess then it'd come down to Hobbes turning in the direction -Presuming you keep in the Standard Battle Assumption of the combatants knowing stuff like general direction & appearance & basic brief sensory information of one another- of Chucky, tracking him down via smell, stealth, etc., then killing him.

But even if Chucky, like, jumped onto Hobbes's back, Hobbes still seriously hurts, if not incapacitates Chucky via like, a slap, be that from an arm, a tail, slamming into a tree or the ground, etc.

But call me biased, but even then, I might still vote Hobbes. Both have Stealth Mastery, but Hobbes has Surface Scaling & Enhanced Senses. Both have Stealth, but 1 has better tracking abilities, & not only bigger limbs, but could probably kill the other by accident.

Not to mention, I'm slightly skeptic of Chucky's LS advantage because of the justifications or lack thereof:
Lifting Strength: Above Average Human

No justification?

Lifting Strength: At least Below Average Human (Able to pick up Calvin), likely higher

Besides that his LS is arguably higher because he's able to tackle Calvin, & the "likely higher" probably means he's higher.

Not to mention the gap between Above Average Human for lifting someone who probably weighs about 20 kg (Baseline is 0 kg, which makes no sense with a LS feat.) & Below Average Human is a little under 4x, & Hobbes having a "likely higher" probably means it isn't even that bad.

 

[King_Dom470]

Maybe? Prior Knowledge of what, though? Hobbes's AP??

Like chucky gets a piece of paper outline Hobbes basic abilities, ap, intelligence basically he gets to look at Hobbes profile on the wiki and figure out how he can outsmart him. Also since Hobbes only has average stamina he would be pretty injured by a stab. Also given the fact that he would have his grenade they would both have the ability to oneshot each other.

 

[Imaginym]

Like chucky gets a piece of paper outline Hobbes basic abilities, ap, intelligence basically he gets to look at Hobbes profile on the wiki and figure out how he can outsmart him. Also since Hobbes only has average stamina he would be pretty injured by a stab. Also given the fact that he would have his grenade they would both have the ability to oneshot each other.

On the topic of the grenade, their speed might mean they might be able to get away from the blast radius.
(Also, I think Hobbes could defeat Chucky in less time than Chucky would need to stab Hobbes to death.)

But if you wanna decide on if the match setup should be change, I'd wait for more input.
Also, prior knowledge =/= preptime.

 

[King_Dom470]

I think i've fixed the match to make it a little more even

 

[King_Dom470]

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[AThe1412]

Lifting Strength: Above Average Human

No justification?

Chucky has frequently been shown to be able to overpower and choke people even when he is horrifically injured, though he can be thrown off at times due to his small size and lightweight.
As for the match, Chucky only has Human level Durability so I don't see anything stopping Hobbes from just obliterating him especially since a lot of his kills are achieved through stealth or manipulation.

 

[King_Dom470]

Chucky has frequently been shown to be able to overpower and choke people even when he is horrifically injured, though he can be thrown off at times due to his small size and lightweight.
As for the match, Chucky only has Human level Durability so I don't see anything stopping Hobbes from just obliterating him especially since a lot of his kills are achieved through stealth or manipulation.

Would this match still be a stomp? Because I gave chucky a grenade which would oneshot or at the very least mortally injure Hobbes

 

[AThe1412]

Would this match still be a stomp? Because I gave chucky a grenade which would oneshot or at the very least mortally injure Hobbes

It can definitely hurt Hobbes, though he would have to be very close to do significant damage. Looking at the scene, the guy who got blown up had at least several seconds to jump on the grenade before it exploded. No reason why Hobbes can't just flee from it unless Chucky is able to use it as a trap.

 

[King_Dom470]

It can definitely hurt Hobbes, though he would have to be very close to do significant damage. Looking at the scene, the guy who got blown up had at least several seconds to jump on the grenade before it exploded. No reason why Hobbes can't just flee from it unless Chucky is able to use it as a trap.

I gave chucky an hour of prep time and prior knowledge of Hobbes so chucky could definitely make a trap

 

[AThe1412]

I gave chucky an hour of prep time and prior knowledge of Hobbes so chucky could definitely make a trap

How good is his Enhanced Senses? Hobbes might be able to avoid the trap and react to any sneak attacks that Chucky tries to pull off.

 

[King_Dom470]

How good is his Enhanced Senses? Hobbes might be able to avoid the trap and react to any sneak attacks that Chucky tries to pull off.

They are decent but there are points in the comic where even Calvin is able to sneak up on Hobbes. So his enhanced senses are pretty iffy and I doubt he would be able to sniff out a grenade trap since he would have no idea what a grenade smells like.

 

[AThe1412]

They are decent but there are points in the comic where even Calvin is able to sneak up on Hobbes. So his enhanced senses are pretty iffy and I doubt he would be able to sniff out a grenade trap since he would have no idea what a grenade smells like.

Hmm... Alright. I'll wait for other people's inputs. This is not a stomp though. Chucky can more than likely hurt Hobbes badly with the grenade trap + his gun before he gets squashed.

 

[King_Dom470]

Bumpy bump

 

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[AThe1412]

I'll just vote Hobbes FRA.

 

[King_Dom470]

I'll just vote Hobbes FRA.

Counted

 

[King_Dom470]

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[Peppersalt43]

Hobbes FRA

 

[King_Dom470]

Hobbes FRA

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[Peppersalt43]

Cool

 

[King_Dom470]

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[Mariogoods]

Hobbes FRA

 

[King_Dom470]

Hobbes FRA

Counted

 

[King_Dom470]

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[Oiguana2701]

Hobbes FRA

 

[King_Dom470]

Hobbes FRA

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[King_Dom470]

Also voting Hobbes FRA

 

[Oiguana2701]

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[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

Taigah fra

 

[King_Dom470]

Taigah fra

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[AStrangeverse]

Tony the Tiger FRA

 

[CrackerVolley]

Thomas Hobbes, author of the 1651 book Leviathan, FRA