Cartoon Coyote vs Cartoon Tiger (1-1-0)

[King_Dom470]

Rules:
Hobbes is bloodlusted
Wile E. Coyotes equipment is restricted
Hobbes has his optional equipment
SBA for everything else

Unsuccessful Hunter: (koopa3144)
Scales to 194308.780513 Joules



Successful Hunter: (JustANormalLemon)
Upscales from 126162.321244 Joules



Incon:

 

[King_Dom470]

Hobbes speed advantage: 3.2268170438X

Wile E.'s AP advantage: 1.54014906033X

 

[koopa3144]

Gonna note that Wile should have Mid Tier Toon Physiology as noted on the page itself.

 

[King_Dom470]

Gonna note that Wile should have Mid Tier Toon Physiology as noted on the page itself.

Would that make this a stomp?

 

[JustANormalLemon]

• Regeneration (High-Godly): In Cartoon Physics, if the recipient gets reduced to ash or char, they can simply reconstruct themselves and appear "virtually undamaged"[1]. They are even able to recover their complete physical forms after they have been erased or their spirit or information is destroyed. If they are unable to regenerate conventionally after a full erasure, they can regain their forms and youth from the memories and laughter of others

well, luckly toon force can be a weakness too, making powers inconsistent and evenmaking characters still be defeated whith a punch when they should just regenerate from It or the punch sink on their skull and bounce out, so I don't think It's a stomp

 

[HonestlyBored24]

Gonna note that Wile should have Mid Tier Toon Physiology as noted on the page itself.

@ShionAH tried to add that to the page, but then he/she/they (have to be inclusive) realized that they can’t add that without a CRT.

Would that make this a stomp?

A massive stomp, a CATASTROPHIC stomp, AN APOCALYPTIC STOMP.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

That’s called a gag, Sherman.

That's the entire point of toon force lol

 

[koopa3144]

I'm also gonna note that Wile E should probably scale to Bugs due to being a rival for Bugs a few times.

 

[HonestlyBored24]

That's the entire point of toon force lol

Good point, but Hobbes still can’t kill or incapacitate in the guy who can regenerate from ashes in a few minutes at most and continue chasing a bird after getting burned, squished, vaporized, etc. You can’t be arguing this isn’t a stomp.

 

[King_Dom470]

A massive stomp, a CATASTROPHIC stomp, AN APOCALYPTIC STOMP.

To be fair wild has a his weakness listed as: his toon force often backfires on him. So this kinda seems like a less potent version of Mr. Burns’ toon force/plus I doubt he would take a stuffed animal too seriously

Also Hobbes has toon force too so he’s not exactly treading in new waters here. Along with the pretty decent speed advantage.

Good point, but Hobbes still can’t kill or incapacitate in the guy who can regenerate from ashes in a few minutes at most and continue chasing a bird after getting burned, squished, vaporized, etc. You can’t be arguing this isn’t a stomp.

Why can’t he incap him?

 

[King_Dom470]

If this really is a stomp would adding Calvin to Hobbes’ team make it better?

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Don't think It's needed, Wally has been incapacitated before and I can see his toon force making Wile get in the same sitation as Calvin in the Hobbes calculated feat

Let's not mention that we actually normaly don't see the time frame Wile takes to go back to his hunt after beingh turned into ash, burned, trasmutated etc so there is a good chance It takes more them 1 hour for that, we only know that is most likely in the same day

 

[King_Dom470]

Don't think It's needed, Wally has been incapacitated before and I can see his toon force making Wile get in the same sitation as Calvin in the Hobbes calculated feat

Let's not mention that we actually normaly don't see the time frame Wile takes to go back to his hunt after beingh turned into ash, burned, trasmutated etc so there is a good chance It takes more them 1 hour for that, we only know that is most likely in the same day

Yeah I was kinda worried anyway that with a 3 times speed advantage for both Calvin and Hobbes probably means Wile will get blitzed

 

[koopa3144]

To be fair wild has a his weakness listed as: his toon force often backfires on him. So this kinda seems like a less potent version of Mr. Burns’ toon force/plus I doubt he would take a stuffed animal too seriously

Also Hobbes has toon force too so he’s not exactly treading in new waters here. Along with the pretty decent speed advantage.

I mean Wile E's toon force is much more potent and he can kinda keep with the Roadrunner who is much faster than him.

Wally has been incapacitated before and I can see his toon force making Wile get in the same sitation as Calvin in the Hobbes calculated feat

Let's not mention that we actually normaly don't see the time frame Wile takes to go back to his hunt after beingh turned into ash, burned, trasmutated etc so there is a good chance It takes more them 1 hour for that, we only know that is most likely in the same day

I mean toons usually come back from death almost instantly and I don't think Hobbes can even reduce Wile E to a state of needing to regen his body.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

I mean toons usually come back from death almost instantly and I don't think Hobbes can even reduce Wile E to a state of needing to regen his body.

Not willy most of the time, also again, inconsistence is the most devastating aspect of toon force, especially when You are someone that the toonforce is against him self, we see Wile Toon force stop working in the worst times like when he wants to enter a fake tunel painting and he don't, not to mention Regen is dependant of the user stamina, they can get tired enough to faint or be K.Oed still

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Toon force is normaly a power similar to reactive evolution, It become more active and dangerous the stronger the foe they are fighting is

 

[King_Dom470]

I mean toons usually come back from death almost instantly and I don't think Hobbes can even reduce Wile E to a state of needing to regen his body.

I'm talking about just knocking him out not killing him, given hobbes' speed, giant range advantage and upscaling from his ap value especially with the bat it seems possible to me

 

[JustANormalLemon]

I will vote hobbes, skill + Speed advantage is OP

 

[koopa3144]

Not willy most of the time, also again, inconsistence is the most devastating aspect of toon force, especially when You are someone that the toonforce is against him self, we see Wile Toon force stop working in the worst times like when he wants to enter a fake tunel painting and he don't

I'd argue that is more so his opponent's toon force countering his own than his own toon force not working.

not to mention Regen is dependant of the user stamina, they can get tired enough to faint or be K.Oed still

All toons have a very high sense of pain tolerance and can endure large amounts of damage. Wile E himself has shown this on numerous occasions so I don't think knocking him is gonna be easy.

 

[koopa3144]

I don't see how Hobbes is gonna get around Wile E just freezing him with the icicle maker or amping his speed to Roadruner levels with Muscle Vitamins.

 

[King_Dom470]

I don't see how Hobbes is gonna get around Wile E just freezing him with the icicle maker or amping his speed to Roadruner levels with Muscle Vitamins.

He doesnt have his equipment

 

[koopa3144]

He doesnt have his equipment

He can just summon it in with Hammerspace.

 

[King_Dom470]

He can just summon it in with Hammerspace.

Yeah but I restricted his equipment so he can't use it in this fight

 

[King_Dom470]

All toons have a very high sense of pain tolerance and can endure large amounts of damage. Wile E himself has shown this on numerous occasions so I don't think knocking him is gonna be easy.

Hobbes is pretty much immune to pain honestly so they both are gonna have some trouble

 

[koopa3144]

Yeah but I restricted his equipment so he can't use it in this fight

Only 9-A and 8-B equipment are restricted which are both just via his explosives so he still should have access to his other equipment via Hammerspace.

 

[King_Dom470]

Only 9-A and 8-B equipment are restricted which are both just via his explosives so he still should have access to his other equipment via Hammerspace.

In that case i'll restrict his equipment because with flight, ice manip, stat amp and invisibility this totally becomes a stomp

 

[koopa3144]

Hobbes is pretty much immune to pain honestly so they both are gonna have some trouble

Toon's can bypass other Toon's resistance to pain for the sake of a joke.

 

[King_Dom470]

Toon's can bypass other Toon's resistance to pain for the sake of a joke.

I guess but lets not pretend Wile E.'s toon force isn't super self destructive. Plus Hobbes is bloodlusted so the pain is going impede him slightly less than it normally might

 

[koopa3144]

In that case i'll restrict his equipment because with flight, ice manip, stat amp and invisibility this totally becomes a stomp

He'll still be able to bring out his equipment via Hammerspace and Summoning from his Toon Physiology.

 

[King_Dom470]

He'll still be able to bring out his equipment via Hammerspace and Summoning from his Toon Physiology.

I'm 100% sure thats not how that works in versus threads

 

[King_Dom470]

Also just want to point out that Hobbes would upscale an INSANE amount from Calvins feat.

 

[koopa3144]

I'm 100% sure thats not how that works in versus threads

I mean technically all of his stuff should be standard equipment via Hammerspace like Bugs and Yakko but Wile E's profile is honestly kind of bad rn.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

I'd argue that is more so his opponent's toon force countering his own than his own toon force not working.

Not really, At best is roadrunner supernatural luck but Wile does have backstabing toon force anyway, like when he uses "instant tornado" and It just go to him

All toons have a very high sense of pain tolerance and can endure large amounts of damage. Wile E himself has shown this on numerous occasions so I don't think knocking him is gonna be easy.

Pain tolerance don't really make harder to K.O sinse K.O is about the brain hitting the skull not pain

I mean technically all of his stuff should be standard equipment via Hammerspace like Bugs and Yakko but Wile E's profile is honestly kind of bad rn.

Nah, he need to buy most of his stuff from acme first, he don't walk with all of that most of the time

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Anyway, still voting hobbes thanks to skill and wile having unrealiable toon force that makes his powers harder to actually help him, especially if It's funny like... IDK... Beingh sukerpunched by a tiger?

Also just want to point out that Hobbes would upscale an INSANE amount from Calvins feat.

Wasn't Hobbes who did the feat of shoving Calcing into the ground?

 

[King_Dom470]

Wasn't Hobbes who did the feat of shoving Calcing into the ground?

Yes but that was when they were 9-C+ Although every single 9-B calc for Hobbes is generally super casual

Anyway, still voting hobbes thanks to skill and wile having unrealiable toon force that makes his powers harder to actually help him, especially if It's funny like... IDK... Beingh sukerpunched by a tiger?

Also counted

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Yes but that was when they were 9-C+ Although every single 9-B calc for Hobbes is generally super casual

Oh, I was looking the AP section only now I see the new calcs in the Dura section

 

[koopa3144]

To sum up my thoughts, while I do think Hobbes would probably win in a direct hand-to-hand fight due to his speed advantage, Wile E can RW/Plot manip the scene to something advantageous to him such as creating distancing between them to allow him to create a plan to beat Hobbes. Hobbes also doesn't resist any of the Toon Physiology stuff like mind manip, Broadway Force, getting fooled by a disguise via perception manip, getting put in a bottomless pit, getting halted in place by TK or by Paralysis, getting EE'd with a poke, exedra. So I think I'ma vote Wile E for now.

Pain tolerance don't really make harder to K.O sinse K.O is about the brain hitting the skull not pain

Toons have Instinctive Action and don't need their brain to be active to function.

Anyways, this is my last post for tonight I'ma go pass out now.

 

[King_Dom470]

To sum up my thoughts, while I do think Hobbes would probably win in a direct hand-to-hand fight due to his speed advantage, Wile E can RW/Plot manip the scene to something advantageous to him such as creating distancing between them to allow him to create a plan to beat Hobbes. Hobbes also doesn't resist any of the Toon Physiology stuff like mind manip, Broadway Force, getting fooled by a disguise via perception manip, getting put in a bottomless pit, getting halted in place by TK or by Paralysis, getting EE'd with a poke, exedra. So I think I'ma vote Wile E for now.

counted

 

[King_Dom470]

Hobbes also doesn't resist any of the Toon Physiology stuff like mind manip, Broadway Force, getting fooled by a disguise via perception manip, getting put in a bottomless pit, getting halted in place by TK or by Paralysis, getting EE'd with a poke, exedra. So I think I'ma vote Wile E for now.

He actually would resist Mind Manip via his inorganic physiology "...and is also unaffected by many common forms of Mind Manipulation, since they neither have an organic brain to be manipulated nor have a non-physical consciousness." As for Broadway Force yeah fair enough but how often does he use that in character? Disguise definitely wouldn’t work since Hobbes would probably just see through it via his insane sense of smell. Where does it say Wile E. has TK or Paralysis? EE could be a problem but again how often does he use that in character?

I know you said your going to bed I don't expect a response immediately obviously just leaving this here for now

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Toons have Instinctive Action and don't need their brain to be active to function.

Wile never used It, having a power don't mean It will be used and again, It's toon force dependent that makes It unrealiable when fighting someone that don't have that big of powers/toon force,


second not: watched some clips of Wile to try to find one of him getting K.Oed and actually remenberd how much resiliant he is, but will still vote Hobbes for a single reason

Wile is really useless without preparation and equipament, Wile beingh constantly beaten up by a stuffed tiger is a amzing gag that feats him and I can see him getting destroyed so much that he eventually call the end of the episode BFR him self from the plot to stop beingh beaten up by skill alone

Hobbes just feat too perfectly into the type of oponent that naturaly makes Wile toon force go against himselfand even trough cartoons (looney toons) do have all thouse habilities they aren't active all the times and will activate and deactivate at will for the gag, with some cartoons beingh able to more consstently control their own toon force, Wile has the bad luck of being one of the cartoons who can't controll It that much(also, wile 100% should have supernatural bad luck)