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A Journalist VS A Hero

Well for starters Frank is way more skilled and experienced than Nick Ramos who beat Zhi a monk with actual training, Frank fights people with higher ap than him all the time so I think I'll vote Frank for now.
 
Frank has fought countless characters with formal military training,he even fought Cliff Hudson a vietnam vet and beat him in an environment perfect Cliff's guerilla warfare style of fighting. Frank also cleared out a mall filled with special forces and generally fights more dangerous opponents (Brock,Cliff,Adam MacIntyre,Steven and others) without the use of combo weapons.
 
Just so you guys could know:

- Frank is supposedly 3 megajoules, while Superman X is 4.2x above him in AP, not counting the fact that the feat was performed by a random thug who only received fraction of his power.

- Superman X got Above Average Human to Class 5 lifting strength which mean he could potentially restrain Frank in place.

-Like i said above, his fight style are similar to chinese kung-fu film with all of swifty movement and so on.

- He is able to fought against a bunch of thugs with similar power, and would defeat them if wans't the hostage situation.

- He got a pretty good aim like broke a man tooth with rock (11:41), stop a motorcycle wheel with his baton (39:15), and accurate aim like this (42:00).

- Despite his status as a hero, the guy isn't afraid to use underhand tactis and even use dirty moves against his enemy.
 
-Frank has expirience fighting people stronger than him

-Superman X would have to go for a grapple which will end in Frank home-running him in the face (superior range and skill)

-Again Frank severely outskills Nick who beat a warrior monk early in the game

-With weapons Frank can one-shot Zombies who ca tank his punches

-So does Frank, have you seen him use basically any item he can pick up in-game

-Frank fought Cliff who uses guerilla warfare tactics and other psychopaths who cheap shot
 
Frank and Nick literally never meet. Not sure why your even bringing up or how you get Frank skill >>>> Nick skill and trying to scale him to beating a warrior monk. That's what Nick did. And frank never fought Nick. So no reason to scale in that area.
 
Buttersamuri said:
Frank and Nick literally never meet. Not sure why your even bringing up or how you get Frank skill >>>> Nick skill and trying to scale him to beating a warrior monk. That's what Nick did. And frank never fought Nick. So no reason to scale in that area.
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My point was Frank is comparable to Nick and it doesn't matter if Superman x knows kung-fu cause Nick has beaten someone who does and besides that one point Frank has still beaten military veterans on his level
 
How can he compare to someone he literally never met or showed to compare to. That's just making up headcanon. Go by franks feats, not Nicks feats. He never met him, so don't use Nicks skills to justify franks skills
 
@Xx.davidparra

- Good thing because that doesn't mean Frank experience completely null Superman X AP adavantage

- Frank doesn't have superior range, both got melee weapons so it's a one-on-one at best.

- Frank can't boost his AP with weapons or whatever.

- Higher lifting strength is still a thing and Superman X could use it as his advantage.

- What @Buttersamuri said above, Frank doesn't scale above Nicks or anyone.
 
-Frank's been through way crazier shit than Superman X, experience is definitely a factor here -extended melee range vs standard melee range, you might wanna double check

-On Frank's profile it literally says: At least Wall level (With his weapons, he easily one-shot Zombies that can tank his fist, and some weapons one-shot Gas Zombies)

-he'd have to get close for that to happen, again extended melee range vs standard

-For a moment let's pretend Frank isn't more skilled than Nick because they never met, Frank's still beaten a vietnam veteran, acrobatic killer clown, and the insane leader of a Special Forces unit, with the last one in a bare-handed brawl. Superman X knowing Kung fu is moot
 
Both got a baton and metal bat in this fight, why are you assuming Frank got better range?

Frank got experience, yes, but saying that he could skill stomp Superman X despite the latter having higher AP and lifting strength isn't really a good argument.

To be fair, most of people Frank fought are just basically psychopaths, you can argue for them being war veteran, skilled fighter, agents, and so on but they weren't on the best mindset and being insane might reduce their ability to think rationally. Not that will make Frank any less skilled than ever but Superman X is type of opponent that can think normally and quite clever by normal standard, from his own experience he know that just fighting face-to-face isn't the best option and will rely his own wit to defeat his rather than brute force.
 
How about we stop pretending we can scale two people who for the third time have never met. I don't see what's hard to understand about that. I'm not arguing for either side winning. I'm just saying Stop skill scaling people who have never met. Just because Nick fought someone in that area of skill and beat them, doesn't mean Frank is able to scale to that skill feat. We don't know. We can only scale frank by his own skill feats. Use franks feats of skill, not someone frank has never met, fought with, or fought along with before.
 
Buttersamuri said:
How about we stop pretending we can scale two people who for the third time have never met. I don't see what's hard to understand about that. I'm not arguing for either side winning. I'm just saying Stop skill scaling people who have never met. Just because Nick fought someone in that area of skill and beat them, doesn't mean Frank is able to scale to that skill feat. We don't know. We can only scale frank by his own skill feats. Use franks feats of skill, not someone frank has never met, fought with, or fought along with before.
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You're absolutely right and I don't wanna argue about it. my point was even if Frank and Nick don't scale (I guess Chuck doesn't exist) Frank still got better skill feats than SX
 
I already said above, Frank indeed got experience but that alone won't get him around Superman AP and lifting strength. Supes feats is pretty impressive on his own and he could likely held himself against Frank.
 
Jamesthetaker said:
I already said above, Frank indeed got experience but that alone won't get him around Superman AP and lifting strength. Supes feats is pretty impressive on his own and he could likely held himself against Frank.
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-extended melee range vs standard melee range, you might wanna double check their profiles

-On Frank's profile it literally says: At least Wall level (With his weapons, he easily one-shot Zombies that can tank his fist, and some weapons one-shot Gas Zombies)

-he'd have to get close for that to happen, again extended melee range vs standard

-and like I said Frank is more skilled and I barely think being insane would hamper those guy's fighting abilities I mean Cliff literally specializes in gritty guerilla warfare
 
Frank was given a metal bat which is only 90 centimeters at best

I'm not denying that Frank is more skilled than Superman X. However, the bosses in Dead Rising is mostly psychopaths and being insane reduce their ability to think rationally like before, they still retain some of their memories before but now they're nothing but a shell of former selves.
 
On SX's profile it says he only has standard melee range but for now I'll go with equal range

-You still haven't addressed my point: On Frank's profile it literally says: At least Wall level (With his weapons, he easily one-shot Zombies that can tank his fist, and some weapons one-shot Gas Zombies)

-Brock was an actual special forces leader when he fought Frank sure he was a ****** but that didn't worsen his fighting prowess same with Cliff, he literally specializes in brutal and chaotic war tactics and Frank beat him in Cliff's preferred environment too.
 
That's kinda vague point, which kind of weapons can one-shot Zombies? Saying that is like he could instantly boost everything he use as a weapon.

Fair enough but Supes has underhand tactics like nut kicking, throwing sand, eyes poking,... His personally is close to a thief, those kind of move that he is likely gonna pull of. Beside that, having to deal with an enemy who is stronger and can restrain him in place, Frank isn't gonna have a good time.
 
Pretty sure it meant actual weapons like bats,hammers,chainsaws and not like vases,toys, or chairs.

again most of those Frank could avoid easily , any decent hand to hand combatant knows how to block nut kicks and I'm pretty sure Frank's wrap-sheet is too versatile to fall for those others one as most of them require you to be close

and also again he'd have to get close for that to happen
 
Both are fighting melee here, you keep assuming Supes need to get close which Frank are too.

That doesn't mean he can't do surprise attack, or cheap move like that.
 
the range from the bat and Frank's dodge rolling will be a huge no no (Frank can roll out of Cliff's grappling moves)

trying pull off one of those on a dude with Frank's intelligence and creativity is comical
 
In this fight, Frank isn't gonna escape Class 5 lifting strength, rolling out is even a worse option since it would give Supes better chance to grap him.

Having face with enemy with those kind of persona before, Supes have many ways to defeat Frank rather than just brute force.
 
The ap gap is only 4x and Frank can one shot zombies stronger than him with weapons

SX would have to reach his arms out to grab Frank. Frank can home-run SX in the face just as fast as SX can try to push/grab him

SX is not more skilled than Frank and give an example of him fighting someone with Frank's intel and creativity, cause that would have been a better match (no offense)
 
That's enough to give Frank a hard time, a metal bat isn't lethal enough to kill Supes, nothing implied that everything Frank came across can do the same.

Which won't work because he will shrug it off like nothing.

I'm saying that Supes doesn't need become as skilled Frank to beat him nor Frank can "lolskill" out of this matches. Supes can still hold his own and Frank normal tactics won't work against him because he is different kind of opponent that he faced everyday beside the psychopaths.
 
I'm saying that a metal bat isn't lethal enough to kill Supes, it did damage but not enough to one-shot him.

I just don't understand how Frank AP being higher with weapons is a thing, because it will mean that even a water gun can kill a normal person when using by him.
 
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