A dumb harvest (Molly Blyndeff vs Shigechi)

[Peppersalt43]

Inconceivable! : 7
D U M B : 0
Incon : 0

Speed equalized (For once the stand user's speed is the same as their stand)
Starting distance is 5 meters
Molly has prior knowledge

Unlike the Koichi match, Harvest lacks ranged attacks so this should probably work

 

[Chariot190]

Shigechi's profile is kinda really outdated.

Durability wise, they ain't 8-C, they're far lower so for starters that's wrong (The bomb in question completely vaporized The Harvest in contact with it, and Shigechi just being near the blast nearly died, not even hit directly).
But inversely, Harvest's AP is also not 10-C, they're like 9-B.

The range is very ****** up, in that they don't have hundreds of km range, but instead just a few kilometers, at max 10, give or take. Given Morioh sure as **** isn't 100km, but is instead just a few km, 10 tops if we go from furthest points on the maps.

Also missing a few minor abilities (body weaponry, afterimages, non combat applicable regen (Destroyed Harvest remanifest after an unknown time, probably a day or two), etc, pain tolerance, stamina stuff (Shigechi "survived" having like 1/3rd of his brain blasted out according to Kira, etc).

I would do a quick CRT to fix this given these all quick fixes, but I'm busy atm, maybe in the morning.

There's two other Part 4 profiles too that are very outdated as well that never got updated (Angelo, Surface), maybe a quick Part 4 CRT is in order just to fix the blatantly wrong shit idk.

 

[Peppersalt43]

But inversely, Harvest's AP is also not 10-C, they're like 9-B.

Eh, I don't know. I mean, Harvest were mostly just doing what is basically chip damage on Josuke and Okuyasu and they kinda had piercing due to their mouths. Are we gonna give them tiers for basically attacking our protagonist's weak spots?

 

[Chariot190]

Nah, was more thinking the wave attack they do would have decent KE attached to it, would be about 9-B.

But now that you mention it,


They did **** up his leg, not just his eyelids and weak points, and they did so with bites and punches, scrapping out trails of skin and tissue. (He also threatens to slice through Kira's carotid).

 

[Peppersalt43]

They did **** up his leg, not just his eyelids and weak points, and they did so with bites and punches, scrapping out trails of skin and tissue.

Jeez, I wonder how that would work in this match. Molly misses a harvest and loses a leg

Still, damage reduction probably covers it and she can probably still incap Shigechi via mind manip

 

[Chariot190]

He has over 500 Harvest, and he attacks in swarms. And he does so nearly right away as seen with Kira, threatening his foes that if they try anything funny, he'll have the Harvest straight up kill (As mentioned, he says he'd have one slice through his carotoid artery, killing him. Shigechi is just a dumbass and decided to fall for the coin trap, tbh how bad is the dumb effect?).
They also have exceptional range (even if the profile is 10x the max), and Shigechi is one to retreat from a fight and leave a foew dozen Harvest to distract his foes or mangle them while he escapes safely, making use of his large manifestation range.

If she wants to incap him with mind hax, she'd need to do it before he 1. Kills her via numbers. 2. Straight up goes aight imma head out, and now she's dealing with a morbillion little bugs she can't even see.

Which is also something to note, she can't actually see Harvest, Shigechi would have dozens on her body instantly, and she wouldn't even know they're there to begin with, he could basically finish her off without her knowing an attack is even coming any time he pleases, she might have prior knowledge that they exist, but that's not gonna tell her where they are, what they're doing or anything of that sort as she can't perceive them.

 

[Peppersalt43]

2. Straight up goes aight imma head out, and now she's dealing with a morbillion little bugs she can't even see.

Oh yeah right, he can just carry her away. Actually that kinda alerts her of where they are and she can use her summon erasing ability on them

1. Kills her via numbers

And that's the chip damage I talked about

she might have prior knowledge that they exist, but that's not gonna tell her where they are, what they're doing or anything of that sort as she can't perceive them.

I mean knowing they exist, she'd probably just keep her Hushababy and damage reduction ability up. Assuming Shigechi is running away and has enough Harvest to ignore any of them disappearing, he'd likely not realize that he's doing much

 

[Chariot190]

?
I was more saying they carry him away, not her, and she has to deal with however many he commands to leave behind. How many that is, she'd never know.

And that's the chip damage I talked about

That isn't really chip damage imo, they're a legitimate threat to superhumans like Okuyasu and Josuke, against an actual child, it'd be like dropping them into a pool full of piranhas. And if they attack someplace like the eyes to blind, or the throat to cut vital veins and vessels, it can result in a nearly instant kill. And that's something he's explicitly able to do, and is willing to do, as stated in his encounter with Kira (He even had two Harvest punch into his neck and actually have them at the ready to kill him, it wasn't even a threat, he went as far to have his hands an the artery).

I mean knowing they exist, she'd probably just keep her Hushababy and damage reduction ability up. Assuming Shigechi is running away and has enough Harvest to ignore any of them disappearing, he'd likely not realize that he's doing much

Wouldn't need to know, as long as the command is up, as a long distance automatic, they'll continue with the command till called back and actively disabled, or the mission is completed. If they don't just come back on their own, he'd know they haven't killed her yet (Kinda like how Kira waited for SHA and was wondering why he was taking so long), and at that point kinda just keep waiting, he can leave a good 50 or so with her and not be the least bit effected.

And how much is damage reduction? Is it half damage? 99% of the damage? And up to what point can they mitigate damage? Could it make a tier 4 attack do no damage almost? What's the cap on it? (Also how does it dumb it down, does it dumb down the attacker, making the attack weaker, or does it dumb down the damage from said attack? If the former he might not work as she lacks NPI to effect the Stand, if the latter it should be fine tho).
Either way, being attacked like 200 times a second is going to add up, very, very, fast. Picture this, you get cut with a knife, ouch oof, it hurts, but you'll live yeah? Now imagine you got cut by a knife 200 times, in one second, that's going to cripple you.
And given her range is only extended melee, and Shigechi is kilometers, even at the starting distance of 5m, he's out of range. And Shigechi while dumb, is still smart enough to keep foes at a distance but within his own range toa void risk of being attacked by a potential Stand, which she doesn't have, but that line of thought would still help him avoid her ability to incap him as it has low range as well.

 

[Peppersalt43]

does it dumb down the damage from said attack?

This one

Either way, being attacked like 200 times a second is going to add up, very, very, fast. Picture this, you get cut with a knife, ouch oof, it hurts, but you'll live yeah? Now imagine you got cut by a knife 200 times, in one second, that's going to cripple you.

Oh sorry, that's what I meant with the chip. And yeah, that's a pretty nice wincon

he's out of range.

You mean outrange? Also keep in mind that speed is equalized so he's still average human in speed

and at that point kinda just keep waiting, he can leave a good 50 or so with her and not be the least bit effected.

Huh, that's pretty interesting. Though yeah assuming Molly does somehow survive the first wave of attacks, what exactly will Shigechi try to do with this in mind?

 

[Chariot190]

he's out of range.

No I mean literally out of her range, she only has extended melee range listed, that's 3m at best. If true, she can't actually use abilities to incap him or what not, because he's out of range, and it'd probably only widen as the match goes on.

Huh, that's pretty interesting. Though yeah assuming Molly does somehow survive the first wave of attacks, what exactly will Shigechi try to do with this in mind?

If she survives the first wave, she just gets attacked by a second wave. It takes effectively zero stamina for Harvest to be sent out and commanded, it's one of its strong points. He can give it commands, to hundreds at once, and just sit back and do whatever, he doesn't even gotta be close by. If he stays, he'd probably stay a good distance away, probably a solid handful of meters, and just make sure she gets defeated, if he notices attacks don't do much, he might try to send Harvest's out to find alcohol to bring back or even poison, and just insert that instead, mitigating damage reduction, and just OD her.
If he decides to go away, well, it's only a matter of time, till her basic human stamina begins to wear down and they just overwhelm her.

Based on her profile, I'd have to vote Shigechi. At a starting distance of 5 meters, he wins basically every time, he can cover and swarm her with dozens of Harvests in a instant, and if she tries to get close to him, he'd just kill her dead like he was planning to do with Kira. This is important, as Extended Melee Range caps at 3m, while he has kilometers of manifestation, he outranges, and if she tries to get close to him before he can cover her, he'd just move back in turn while his Stand moves forward as he's smart enough to know "enemy come close = bad" as an inherent rule of fighting. Worst case scenario, he makes the distance between them even further and ghosts out, leaving behind a bunch of invisible, invincible things that she can't kill, and eventually, sooner or later, they wear her down and incap or kill, assuming they just don't go for killing blows right away. If even after a long while she somehow manages to not die or bleed out from hundreds of attacks, he'd just drug or poison her or something, assuming just slicing through veins doesn't work.

 

[Peppersalt43]

have to vote Shigechi. At a starting distance of 5 meters

Counted

 

[Shey]

Voting Shigechi for Chariot's reasons

 

[Kflare63]

Shigechi fra

 

[ShockingPsychic]

Molly's existance erasure is applicable here, she can dumb "small, summoned things" down into nothing. I assume this would include a Stand? And wouldn't that, in turn, kill Shigechi?

 

[Peppersalt43]

Molly's existance erasure is applicable here, she can dumb "small, summoned things" down into nothing. I assume this would include a Stand? And wouldn't that, in turn, kill Shigechi?

Shigechi has enough Harvest to shrug it off and kill her first

 

[Chariot190]

Molly's existance erasure is applicable here, she can dumb "small, summoned things" down into nothing. I assume this would include a Stand? And wouldn't that, in turn, kill Shigechi?

He has 500+ Harvest, and dozens being totally annihilated dont effect him.
And again, you have to remember, she doesn't know where they are, what they're doing, how many are where, how many are on her, where exactly are they on here, and more, she knows they exist, and that's all she knows. Can she even pinpoint them to EE in the first place? And the range on the ability is quite small going by her AOE, she'd never be able to take out the majority of them, and if she somehow does manage to EE a couple, Shigechi will just straight up kill her given he now knows she has a very dangerous ability much like The Hand without needing what seems to be contact, which is another point, The Hand has EE, it isn't like Shigechi drops dead if The Hand manages to EE a few.

And technically speaking, Harvest is a summon in only a literal sense, it's actually more of a manifestation and projection of Shigechi's soul, that just so happens to manifest in a large group.

 

[ShockingPsychic]

Yeah, Shigechi FRA

 

[Ionliosite]

Shigechi FRA

 

[Peppersalt43]

Counted and thank you

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

Shigechi FRA

 

[Peppersalt43]

And just to get this concluded

Inconceivable! FRA

And that's grace, thank you everyone

{Also in case you're wondering, this is allowed based on this thread}