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A Beast Of Nature vs The Ultimate Life Form (8-0-6)

manu_zarri said:
I mean, The soul it's the realm?
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Born from it, tied to it and intrinsically linked. Without The Green, there is no ST soul.

Edit: And kind of viceversa. When ST traveled back in time to the beginning of The Earth, he technically is who gave birth to The Green.
 
manu_zarri said:
so basically you are saying destroying the realm is needed to kill ST? so we need incap
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I... Explained that to you earlier.

Kars also can't incap ST. Anything he tries, ST just has to travel into The Green and then back.
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
I... Explained that to you earlier.

Kars also can't incap ST. Anything he tries, ST just has to travel into The Green and then back.
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what that means? that's cover just from D4C

as i said before, i proposed to use mihur, since not only the universe's resets are maded fast in novel, but because maybe the effects of it could help?
also what about time travel?
 
manu_zarri said:
what that means? that's cover just from D4C

as i said before, i proposed to use mihur, since not only the universe's resets are maded fast in novel, but because maybe the effects of it could help?
also what about time travel?
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ST has its own time travel. Kars would end up BFR himself if he used it, as MiHU doesn't exactly resets the universe, but rather speeds up the creation of a new one. In JORGE JOESTAR, time is in a perfect loop of 32 universes, with MiHU capable of going through the iterations in a couple of minutes at most.

That does nothing to ST or The Green.
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
ST has its own time travel. Kars would end up BFR himself if he used it, as MiHU doesn't exactly resets the universe, but rather speeds up the creation of a new one. In JORGE JOESTAR, time is in a perfect loop of 32 universes, with MiHU capable of going through the iterations in a couple of minutes at most.

That does nothing to ST or The Green.
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"Cars said. I looked up and through the crumbling belly of Antonio Torres I could see the pieces of Dio and C Moon Ultimate Requiem floating above the rhinoceros beetle’s armor, and that Stand was still changing. Ruptures were appearing all over the surface of it, and as it crumbled away a horse and rider and clock emerged, a Stand even more fused with the arrowhead. Made in Heaven Ultimate Requiem. And a second round of sped up time began…but what for? Next to me, Cars said,

“What waits for us at the end of this?”

The universe repeating on a spiral staircase. And then…? I couldn’t see the answer. Nothing came to mind at all. But then someone spoke behind me.

“We have a terrifying idea, Jorge Joestar.”"

it still have MiH effects, like fate manipulation and memory stuff
 
Incorrect. Don't leave out the context of that scene.

DIO was using MiHU to travel to the start of the time loop, as that was his plan. Plus, nowhere in the novel ia the reset nor fate used.
 
At best, Kars would manage an incon through speed amp.

However, he doesn't start with MiHU. In fact, he isn't the one to even use it; it's DIO. Kars starts with Whitesnake, until it was transformed into MiH; then he switched to Killer Queen (to counter the effects of MiH and corner DIO) and The World.

Not one of them can beat ST, who just needs to touch them or vibrate them.
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
At best, Kars would manage an incon through speed amp.

However, he doesn't start with MiHU. In fact, he isn't the one to even use it; it's DIO. Kars starts with Whitesnake, until it was transformed into MiH; then he switched to Killer Queen (to counter the effects of MiH and corner DIO) and The World.

Not one of them can beat ST, who just needs to touch them or vibrate them.
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I said before to make MiHur in kars character. idk if it applied
 
manu_zarri said:
Context or not, you can easily notice that people don't understand things maded by the thirthy-six universes deaths

It's still on kars profile, via scaling to mih, that do this passive fate stuff
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And the profile would be wrong.

And even then... So? What stops ST going to The Green?
 
manu_zarri said:
i asked, if Kars should scale to Rohan with HD in the novel
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Kars has a better feat, tho. At least in speed. He intercepted DIO's clap and dodged even after time stop.

If you mean if Kars should have HD, lol no.
 
manu_zarri said:
Heaven's the Door speed blitzed giorno tho
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If you mean if Kars should scale to GER's infinite speed, maybe. But that would require a CRT. And then, speed would have to be equalize anyway.

It's a stomp or incon by giving Kars an advantage no matter what.
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
If you mean if Kars should scale to GER's infinite speed, maybe. But that would require a CRT. And then, speed would have to be equalize anyway.

It's a stomp or incon by giving Kars an advantage no matter what.
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no i meant this:

"
“Kishibe.”

“?”

“Heaven’s Door.”

Thankfully he instantly grasped my meaning. He yelled,

“Heaven’s Door!”

and swish swish swish sketched a drawing in the air and bam! Giorno Giovanna’s face exploded into a book. We had to catch him by surprise to get past that Stand of his. Since we’d pulled it off, I stepped in to verify. Giorno Giovanna’s book had only one page, and the only place with anything to read was the back of the cover, his face. The page number was 2. And the text was just ‘death’ in all sorts of languages. OK, so he was dead. As I pulled back his page, I found a hollow within, with his eyeballs floating in the air. Our eyes met. But those eyes were something he’d made with his Stand. Holding his cover open, I moved around his frozen body, and looked Giovanna in his handsome, eyeless face."
 
That's the thing. Blitzing Giorno means... Nothing. Kars own feat is better, and it's still way lower than ST's.

The only thing that can change that is if we take blitzing Giorno as making it be comparable in some way to GER.
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
That's the thing. Blitzing Giorno means... Nothing. Kars own feat is better, and it's still way lower than ST's.

The only thing that can change that is if we take blitzing Giorno as making it be comparable in some way to GER.
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if im not wrong ger was going to active at that moment
 
manu_zarri said:
if im not wrong ger was going to active at that moment
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Precisely. It is arguable Kars scales to GER through DIO stomping it.

However, then speed would have to be equal or Kars completely blitzes ST. Which goes back to the same thing. ST stomps or Kars incon.
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
Precisely. It is arguable Kars scales to GER through DIO stomping it.

However, then speed would have to be equal or Kars completely blitzes ST. Which goes back to the same thing. ST stomps or Kars incon.
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uh, maybe a day i will make a CRT, btw let's just give mihur in-character for kars and make it a incon. since it's more farier than a stomp
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
Gifting Kars an incon for the sake of him not losing.
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now it's mismatched (idk about adapt if could works). to mismatched match we give advantage.

that's why the OP asked if we bloodlust kars maybe something would happend

since advantage is needed let's give kars mihur and nothing that's all
 
manu_zarri said:
now it's mismatched (idk about adapt if could works). to mismatched match we give advantage.

that's why the OP asked if we bloodlust kars maybe something would happend

since advantage is needed let's give kars mihur and nothing that's all
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so? the OP want make this advantage for novel kars or just let the theard die?
 
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