9-B to 9-A Upgrade

[RanaProGamer]

So I recently found out that the force needed to freeze a human is Small Building level. This is a feat that is casually performed by Killer Frost. She froze Copperhead, who broke out of it after she let her guard down. Meaning Copperhead is also Small Building level as well as the entire Suicide Squad since even Deadshot has broken out it and Bronze Tiger can harm Deadshot. The same Bronze Tiger survived the explosion of a villa. Not forget to mention that Harley Quinn has broken this ice before with her bat. The same Harley Quinn has fought Catwoman, who is weaker than Batman.

In short, I think that the Suicide Squad and Bat-Family as well anyone who scales to either of them should be upgraded to 9-A.

 

[GyroNutz]

Bronze Tiger was also relatively unharmed by being thrown through a wall. They can also take hits from a weakened Zoom, who can still dodge sniper bullets while moving towards them, which according to google travel at 800-1000 m/s. Using this for KE, you get either 22.4 or 35 megajoules, both of which are 9-A.

In short, I agree

 

[Qawsedf234]

As far as I know it requires much less energy to break out of ice than it does to produce it. So while KF might be 9-A with ice creation that doesn't mean Copperhead/Harley are 9-A for breaking the ice.

For the Zoom thing get it calced and maybe it's usable.

 

[Ionliosite]

While I diagree that breaking the ice would be 9-A AP, wouldn't they be 9-A in durability? This, of course, means their AP will be upgraded to 9-A anyway.

Also, I agree we need to calc the Zoom thing.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Creating the ice is AP. Withstanding or breaking free from it is a other thing. There's an on going discussion about current issues with ice calcs that's also going on for similar reasons.

 

[RanaProGamer]

Creating the ice is AP. Withstanding or breaking free from it is a other thing. There's an on going discussion about current issues with ice calcs that's also going on for similar reasons.

I see, so for the time being only Killer Frost would be 9-A?

 

[GyroNutz]

Did Copperhead's acid breath contend with KF's ice manip, or am I misremembering?

 

[RanaProGamer]

Did Copperhead's acid breath contend with KF's ice manip, or am I misremembering?

Yes, it melted her ice shield.

 

[RanaProGamer]

So what is the conclusion? Will anyone who scales to Killer Frost be upgraded to 9-A?

 

[Ionliosite]

It seems so, since KF is the one with the feat, only those who scale directly to her should be upgraded.

 

[Qawsedf234]

If it's acid that isn't AP scalable. Just speaks to how quickly the acid can eat through material. For KF she'd be like this MHA guy. AP is 9-A, but durability is 9-B.

 

[RanaProGamer]

If it's acid that isn't AP scalable. Just speaks to how quickly the acid can eat through material. For KF she'd be like this MHA guy. AP is 9-A, but durability is 9-B.

I see, what about her striking strength? Would it be 9-A as well?

And her durability since she was stated to be immune to her own ice?

 

[Jasonsith]

I see, what about her striking strength? Would it be 9-A as well?

And her durability since she was stated to be immune to her own ice?

So she has up to 9-A immunity against ice attacks but still 9-B overall right?

 

[RanaProGamer]

I see, what about her striking strength? Would it be 9-A as well?
And her durability since she was stated to be immune to her own ice?

So she has up to 9-A immunity against ice attacks but still 9-B overall right?
Makes sense, what about her striking strength, does making the ice qualify as striking strength?

 

[Qawsedf234]

No. Striking strength is how much force the person can physically exert, it's unrelated to her ice manipulation. As for durability, if it's shown she can resist her own attacks, then yes that's 9-A, but otherwise no.

 

[RanaProGamer]

No. Striking strength is how much force the person can physically exert, it's unrelated to her ice manipulation. As for durability, if it's shown she can resist her own attacks, then yes that's 9-A, but otherwise no.

It was only stated that she is immune to her own ice.

 

[Qawsedf234]

That seems like cols resistance then, rather than AP.