5-B Madara and Kaguya

[AlexSoloVaAlFuturo]

If Naruto is 5-C of course his rasengan will damaged another 5-C character, it just depends of how much chakra, or what kind of chakra, he is using

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

thats legit what ive been saying, it's not the Jutsu it's who uses it and how much chakra they are putting in

 

[AlexSoloVaAlFuturo]

What Shadow said is true since: one shooting hand (more chakra) >>>>> Rasengan of the same Naruto (less chakra).

But I don't see this with the IT so I disagree with the 5-B.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Rep is right. As far as Madara goes, there's absolutely no mention that he was absorbing the chakra of victims during IT like Kaguya can

 

[TheFinalOrder]

It's not Baseless, you have no proof he can absorb chakra from that techniques period. Prove to me Madara can absorb chakra from all those trapped in IT.
Assumptions are being made by both sides but I'm on the safe side. Some Jutsu's in Naruto are just stronger than others.

I'm not making an assumption, holy ******* shit, he had the eye and activated IT for 1 damn chapter before BZ betrayed him. Kishi didn't portray whether or not he could have or couldn't have. You guys are the one assuming he can't LITERALLY BASED ON NOTHING!!!

All I'm saying is that Madara Possibly scales to Kaguya by virtue of both of them having IT. I'm not ******* making the assumption that he can absorb IT chakra because HE ONLY ACTIVATED IT FOR 1 CHAPTER

 

[Reppuzan]

Making the assumption that he can drain chakra when he has never demonstrated it is pure headcanon.

Screaming at us in all caps and bold makes you less convincing, not more.

 

[TheFinalOrder]

Oh, and by the way, the only reason Madara is even at "Possibly" is because of what THIS WIKI SAYS ABOUT IT!!:


"Should be used to list a hypothetical statistic for a character, but inconclusive due to lack of feats or viable powerscaling. Probability of said hypothetical statistic should also be indeterminate."

 

[Omimi]

LordGriffin1000 wrote:

I'm sorry but what...

The AP of a jutsu damn sure means something otherwise your saying Kakashi's bare hand his just as strong as his Chidori...


at least naruto's bare hand was shown just as strong as his rasangan no (last movie)?

 

[TheFinalOrder]

So, @Reppuzan,

You want to educate me on how you are determining Madara can't absorb IT chakra when the Manga doesn't show/state or so much as imply whether he can or can't? Because while you may not be supporting him scaling, you are making an assumption that he can't even do it, and to that I ask, based on what?

 

[Dzhindzholia]

Guys,Madara can do that,but he didn't,that is the thing.The is 0 reasons he can't.It is just your decision to accept it or not.The truth is,he can.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

I am supporting Madara thing only if it doesn't scale to anyone.

 

[AlexSoloVaAlFuturo]

@TFO

Why are you talking like THIS?

You shouldn't speak like that, just make your points calmly and we need read that, if the others don't understand them try to explain it again and if they still disagree with you then don't speak like that.

It is kinda annoying see THIS all over the place.

 

[TheFinalOrder]

@TFO
Why are you talking like THIS?

You shouldn't speak like that, just make your points calmly and we need read that, if the others don't understand them try to explain it again and if they still disagree with you then don't speak like that.

It is kinda annoying see THIS all over the place.

You're right. I do need to settle down. Personally, it's not that people disagree with it. If they do, they do, it's just I get irritated when people do disagree but do so while completely ignoring the everything you are saying.

I feel like this is low-key happening. And what's worst is that I l'm arguing via the sites guidelines.

 

[AlexSoloVaAlFuturo]

I understand, it can be quite annoying when the others don't read what you said.

Can you put all your points together in a calmly and organized way so I, and the others, can read them again?

 

[Reppuzan]

@TFO

You're misinterpreting that guideline.

Hypothetical stats need to have some kind of justification. We can't just assume a character did something or is able to do something if he has no feat of doing something.

Yes, Madara used Infinite Tsukuyomi, but he never demonstrated the chakra draining aspect. Unless you can find a source that says that he can, then he did not.

 

[TheFinalOrder]

@Reppuzan

I get that, trust me, I do. But again, I'm not saying he used the Chakra Absorbtion ability. What I'm saying is, we can't also claim that he can't use it. Again, the Manga does not show us either way whether he can or cant because as soon as he activated the eye on and used IT, Kishi switched to Kaguya.

Basically:

• Saying he can use the chakra absorbtion of IT Chakra is baseless.

• Saying he can't use the chakra absorbtion of IT Chakra is also baseless

It's indeterminate.

 

[Reppuzan]

@TFO

Then we can't just give him the benefit of the doubt if he hasn't displayed it. That's like giving Superman telekinesis because Superboy demonstrated telekinesis. There's nothing against Superman having telekinesis, but he hasn't shown it. Hence we cannot know for sure.

You're using the Association Fallacy.

 

[TheFinalOrder]

@TFO
Then we can't just give him the benefit of the doubt if he hasn't displayed it. That's like giving Superman telekinesis because Superboy demonstrated telekinesis. There's nothing against Superman having telekinesis, but he hasn't shown it. Hence we cannot know for sure.

You're using the Association Fallacy.

Ok, if that's the case then the "Possibly" reasoning has to be revised.

Either way, I'll drop the Madara stuff, but as far as the Kagiya stuff, after considering everything above, where do we stand.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

@Reppuzan
I get that, trust me, I do. But again, I'm not saying he used the Chakra Absorbtion ability. What I'm saying is, we can't also claim that he can't use it. Again, the Manga does not show us either way whether he can or cant because as soon as he activated the eye on and used IT, Kishi switched to Kaguya.

Basically:

• Saying he can use the chakra absorbtion of IT Chakra is baseless.

• Saying he can't use the chakra absorbtion of IT Chakra is also baseless

It's indeterminate.

There's one huge problem with that, Madara himself didnt even know the true meaning behind the IT..which is further proof that Madara likely doesnt know how to use it.

 

[Golden_Void]

The moon busting cannon used the chakra of 100 ninja.

You should see where I'm going with this OP

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Outliers at best, in most cases chakra= higher AP for Jutsu

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

also something i noticed is that when they were explaining the moon canon the Raikage states that it will actually teleport the moon to another dimension. not blow it up

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

so the chakra canon isnt 5-C

 

[Qawsedf234]

Here's the statement about it teleporting the moo

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Thanks buddy

 

[Golden_Void]

Still needs power to move the entire moon to another dimension. Kakashi alone couldn't kamui Kaguya's ETSB.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

you dont need moon level power to do so.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

he doubted that he could... and even if he did they would never able to return to the dimension because it would be rekt..something noted by Kakashi

 

[TheFinalOrder]

Bump

So this is only applicable for Kaguya. Can we agree to this?

 

[Dark649]

She already has it, and most users rejected this. Closing this.