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5-B Madara and Kaguya

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@Shadow

I never said they can't increase the power of their moves with chakra so please don't put words in my mouth.

I said some moves are just stronger then others which is a fact.

Until someone can prove Kaguya can increase her other moves or lack there of to the Level of ETSB I'm not going with this.
 
also FO, Kaguya isnt 5-B tho. but 5-A

this though doesnt scale to them normally for the plain old fact that it would be outliersih for them
 
But how is she going to use ETSB if she amps her base state to 5-B or even higher?She does either ETSB or amps herself.But she never done the second one,only 1 time after she ressurected she absorbed some chakra.
 
@TFO

Please read my comment more carefully. I said Hebi Sasuke's Chidori!!!! Is not as strong as Kirin, thus why he used it.
 
"Until someone can prove Kaguya can increase her other moves or lack there of to the Level of ETSB I'm not going with this."

Technically she can but she never done that,she used chakra from IT people only for ETSB.And if she amps herself with their chakra she will stay without ETSB.Thats why i am neutral.
 
@Shadow

Please direct your commet to who you were referring to as I can't tell who is talking to who.
 
Also Jutsu's AP has nothing to do with the Jutsu itself absolutely nothing, a Jutsu's efficeny is determined by the person doing the Jutsu and the properties the Jutsu has, status effects like burning,paralyzing,turning to dust,Range,Speed ect
 
In Conclusion, there's no real evidence to suggest they cant use that amount of Chakra in their other Ninjutsu based attacks unless specifically noted.

However they definitely cant scale this to their Physical striking strength or durability unless stated or shown.

the reason being that unlike Ninjutsu a Shinobi's body can only handle so much before their bodies give in.
 
LordGriffin1000 said:
@TFO
Please read my comment more carefully. I said Hebi Sasuke's Chidori!!!! Is not as strong as Kirin, thus why he used it.
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I addressed that in telling you that in telling you already that Hebi Sasuke didn't hsve the required levels of Chakra to produce such an attack at said scale or power and gave you an example of Sasuke doing so when he did have said chakra levels. Not only that but It's soecifically stated that Sasuke doesn't need to use a large amount of chakra to manipulate lightning to create Kirin.

Anyways, as for your other inquiry, nothing is stopping Kaguya from utilizing the same amount of chakra to amplify her other jutsu. If ETSB requires like 10% of the chakra she has from IT, nothing is stopping her from using 10% of the IT chakra to amplify her Vacuum Palms technique as an example. This has been a proven mechanic since part 1. In actuality, you're the one who needs to prove she can't because the verses established mechanics already dictate she can.
 
Shadowbokunohero said:
In Conclusion, there's no real evidence to suggest they cant use that amount of Chakra in their other Ninjutsu based attacks unless specifically noted.
However they definitely cant scale this to their Physical striking strength or durability unless stated or shown.

the reason being that unlike Ninjutsu a Shinobi's body can only handle so much before their bodies give in.
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This^
 
@Shadow

"Also Jutsu's AP has nothing to do with the Jutsu itself absolutely nothing"

I'm sorry but what...

The AP of a jutsu damn sure means something otherwise your saying Kakashi's bare hand his just as strong as his Chidori...

By that logic, A tailed beast wouldn't bother charging a Beast Bomb and only shot small ones because "A Jutsu's AP has nothing to do with the Jutsu.

It's a Fact that the Tailed Beast Bomb is the most powerful attack in their arsenal. If they could power up their other attacks to that level then it wouldn't be known mainly for it's destructive power.
 
^^^^ Nit picking, also Kakashi's fist isn't a Jutsu

want an example?

  • Naruto's Tailed Beast Bomb could level mountains..
Later on, Naruto proceeds to nuke meteoroids that dwarf the mountain Ranges with his FTS.

by all accounts, FRS should be far inferior to a tailed beast bomb.

  • Naruto's Rasengan damages a 5-C character, regular old Rasengan.
  • Sasuke Chidori goes from being busting boulders to taking a mountain level Asteroid.
  • Kakashi is capable of increasing the range of his Kamui because he gets more chakra from Naruto.
Hell literally everyone in the War becomes far stronger after Naruto amps them up with chakra
 
A rasengan is legit only an A rank jutsu yet it has shown countless time's to counter or even overpower far more powerful attacks
 
By that logic, A tailed beast wouldn't bother charging a Beast Bomb and only shot small ones because "A Jutsu's AP has nothing to do with the Jutsu

it has nothing to do with the Jutsu's Ap itself just the amount of chakra to put into the specific attack itself.

Also what your explaining legit happened during the fight against the 10 tails
 
Also, Madara can't even be upgraded here because he doesn't even know how to absorb said chakra from IT.

Let's go by your logic, they can put ever last bit of their chakra into their moves.

Then that means Five Kage Summit Sasuke has Tailed Beast level chakra because his Chidori did damage to Ay who was bolstering himself with his Tailed Beast level chakra.
 
Shadowbokunohero said:
want an example?

  • Naruto's Tailed Beast Bomb could level mountains..
Later on, Naruto proceeds to nuke meteoroids that dwarf the mountain Ranges with his FTS.

by all accounts, FRS should be far inferior to a tailed beast bomb.
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Not to argue against you or anything, but this isn't the best example since he use Tailed Beast Ball Rasenshuriken to nuke those meteoroids.
 
^^^ that's something that we need to stop doing, taking one out of context statement from character and applying it to the whole verse,

its the same as saying Dragonball is barely FTL because Dyspowas specifically stated to faster than sound or whatever... my point is that one vague ass statement should be used to disregard everything
 
AlexSoloVaAlFuturo said:
Shadowbokunohero said:
want an example?

  • Naruto's Tailed Beast Bomb could level mountains..
Later on, Naruto proceeds to nuke meteoroids that dwarf the mountain Ranges with his FTS.

by all accounts, FRS should be far inferior to a tailed beast bomb.
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Not to argue against you or anything, but this isn't the best example since he use Tailed Beast Ball Rasenshuriken to nuke those meteoroids.
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True but later on he uses a rasengan to block a 5-C attack
 
anyway I agree, Madara cant scale from this.. there's no real reason to assume he knows that he can absorb the chakra, heck he thought it was merely created to put people in a dream world
 
LordGriffin1000 said:
Also, Madara can't even be upgraded here because he doesn't even know how to absorb said chakra from IT.
Let's go by your logic, they can put ever last bit of their chakra into their moves.

Then that means Five Kage Summit Sasuke has Tailed Beast level chakra because his Chidori did damage to Ay who was bolstering himself with his Tailed Beast level chakra.
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  • You're making a baseless assumption about Madara, LG.
  • They can, yes, but they'll die.
  • You're going a bit extreme here LG, come on man, let's be reasonable. Chakra Level =\= Jutsu AP. Ay having Biju Chakra levels only means he has Potential to scale from Biju. The Lightning Cloak isn't biju level just because of that statement, and mind you, Sasuke only pierced the v1 cloak.
 
golden weel rebirth vs I won't let you destroy the earth Rasengan :^)



Rasengan barrage also shatters his TSB shield..something that his FRS wasnt even able to do earlier
 
your looking at the wrong scene, im talking about far earlier in the fight

and no his rasengan barrage clearly broke the shields
 
It's not Baseless, you have no proof he can absorb chakra from that techniques period. Prove to me Madara can absorb chakra from all those trapped in IT.

Assumptions are being made by both sides but I'm on the safe side. Some Jutsu's in Naruto are just stronger than others.
 
more like some shinobi are stronger than others :^)

Also, Griffin is right, he cant do that, one of the plot's main points were that Madara didn't even know what IT was really for
 
Naruto didn't break TSB with his Rasengan barrage as we can see later when Naruto Rasengan-punch Toneri while he inside TSB shield.
 
I just thought of something.

I'm going to assume that she can put that amount of chakra in her other Jutsus... Exactly how many Jutsus would this effect?.

1. ETSB - Already 5-A

2. Ash Bones - Hax Based

3. IT - Hax Based

4. 80 Gods Vacuum (The Purple Fists) - The only thing that's effected by this...

She has no other attacks to my knowledge.
 
my point was that a regular rasengan has shown to effecting things far stronger than what it should have
 
I definitely don't agree with Madara getting any kind of upgrade from this logic since unlike Kaguya, I don't recall a statement of Madara using IT to drain chakra.

I don't even remember Kaguya using any kind of technique that can be reasonably quantified or boosted by this method.
 
her Vacuum hands could but it would be pretty lame, range is limited and is a far inferior way of doing things instead of turning everything into dust in one fell swoop
 
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