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Really, people are literally arguing against the verses established and consistent mechanic with no real evidence supporting them.AstralKing7 said:There is a lot wrong with the arguments against here.
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Really, people are literally arguing against the verses established and consistent mechanic with no real evidence supporting them.AstralKing7 said:There is a lot wrong with the arguments against here.
Also, this isn't Shinra Tensei.TheFinalOrder said:
I'd have to disagree with that not being ST. Every Instance of 80 GVP, not only do we see the Chakra fists around Kaguya, but only one or two clones get capped by a fist.IMadeThisOn8-1-2017 said:Also, this isn't Shinra Tensei.TheFinalOrder said:
This is Eighty Gods Vacuum.
Kaguya makes that pose when using Eighty Gods Vacuum, the databook even shows that pose.
The same pose and Eighty Gods.
Using context from the supposed usage of "Shinra Tensei" reveals that it was Eighty Gods as well:
Chapter 684 flows as Kaguya fights Naruto alone in the ice world. Naruto momentarily overpowers her with Steam Release and then summons a lot of clones. Kaguya responds with Eighty Gods Vaccum until the clones overwhelm her and she escapes to another dimension. She kills the clone that followed her there and heads back to the ice world to see that Naruto is still alive and the clones are still there.
Chapter 685 (where this supposed usage of "Shinra Tensei" is from) starts off with a recap of how Naruto tricked Kaguya. Then Obito and Sakura get to work to save Sasuke (page 8 of chapter 685). Naruto is still fighting Kaguya with his clones and she still is using Eighty Gods Vacuum given her stance (page 9 of Chapter 685). Kaguya figures out which is the real Naruto and stops her attacks and heads straight for him as Sasuke wanders aimlessly in the desert dimension (page 10 of Chapter 685).
It's not Shinra Tensei.
ALSO:
Eighty Gods Vacuum does not have the potential to be her strongest attack, that is a mistranlations. Here are the raws. Here is the text:
ÒüìÒéïÒüƒÒéüÒÇüÒé½Òé░ÒâñÒü«þ×│ÞíôÒü¿þø©Òü¥ÒüúÒüªÕ«îÕà¿þäíµ¼áÒÇüµö╗Úÿ▓õ©Çõ¢ôÒü«ÚÖúÒéÆþ»ëÒüÅÒüôÒü¿ÒüîÕÅ»Þâ¢ÒüáÒÇé
A better translation would be:
"Combined with Kaguya's Dojutsu it is flawless, one body of offense and defense battle formatio built for the potential of battle."
µö╗Úÿ▓ - offense and defense
õ©Çõ¢ô - one object, one form, one body, one style
ÚÖú - battle formation
þ»ëÒüÅ - to build
ÕÅ»Þ⢠- possible, potential
Hard disagree still, by the way.
And why is that? Have you even read the other posts, Cal?The real cal howard said:I side with IMade with this and it's getting tiring to see this come up every so often.
People agreeing with this post clearly don't understand what's going on in Naruto.IMadeThisOn8-1-2017 said:Kaguya is 5-A due to the description of what the ETSB could do with the chakra of the IT.
Nothing says her other Justu would equate the description of the ETSB with the IT chakra. Like, why would her other Jutsu now have the exact, explicit, descriptive power that was stated for the ETSB? So her hair needles now do what the ETSB does?
This is very similar to Fairy Heart Zeref and Etherion from Fairy Tail.
Disagree.
This thread is saying the IT Chakra is what makes Kaguya 5-A, not the ETSB. The ETSB is 5-A because of IT Chakra and Naruto in verse Mechanics dictate that chakra can be used for other jutsu.ShadowWarrior1999 said:Don't we have a discussion rule against this?
So you're saying you agree with an argument that ignores inverse mechanics that prove that same argument wrong? You're saying you agree with an argument that is clearly a double standard when we accept other characters jutsu scaling to techniques like Chibaku Tensei because of Chakra Control.....this is what you agree with?The real cal howard said:I've read them all, yes.
This is where i gotta stop you.IMadeThisOn8-1-2017 said:Chakra can be allocated for other usages, but that doesn't mean it now has the same descriptive power/AP/destruction as what another ability is specifically meant to do.
Think of it like a gun.
The ETSB is a .50 caliber rifle that does it's specific damage.
The hair needles and Eighty Gods Vacuum are .22 and 9mm handguns respectively that do their specific damage.
Even if I could somehow magically put the .50 round into the .22 and 9mm handguns, it wouldn't do the same damage because they aren't meant to do that.
The ETSB could destroy Kaguya's world and the moon in it when given chakra from the IT because the ETSB's property is just a larger TSB that will erase what it touches and then remake it.
We're not gonna now change the property of the Hair Needles and Eighty Gods to be able to replicate this description of the ETSB when the former two Jutsu are not able to do that. Nothing even says Kaguya is putting all that Chakra into an Eighty Gods or a Hair Needle. There's also the fact that the ETSB was one attack, Hair Needles and Eighty Gods are spammed attacks.
The issue with this logic is that unfortunately, that is how chakra control works in Naruto.Wokistan said:Having enough power to do a 5-A attack doesn't instantly make all your attacks 5-A, batteries don't scale in full to the power of the user.
We have nuclear powered submarines irl, but obviously that doesn't just make all the non nukes on board tier 7 all of a sudden. I could theoretically hook up a car battery to a laser pointer, but even if it didn't just burn out/electrocute me I wouldn't just be able to go set a house on fire with it.
LordGriffin1000 said:@TFO
I never said I disagreed with verses mechanics. I was pointing out a flaw in your logic.
You claim Chakra Control makes all her moves equal in AP but your using a Data Book statement that says her 80 God's Vacuum has the potential to be her strongest move.
This is literally going against what your trying to prove. If Chakra Control is used here, she would not have a "strongest move". Her 80 Gods Vacuum can't "potentially" be her strongest move if Chakra Control dictates she can make all her moves that powerful.
Some moves are just stronger then others period. There is no way in hell, Naruto can make an ordinary Rasengan as strong as a Tailed Beast Bomb Rasenshurikin. This is way they make stronger moves, because some moves just aren't capable of being as powerful as others.
The Third Raikage's Hell Stab increases in power the less fingers he has pointed out, if Chakra Control was always a thing, he would be able to apply the same amount of power with four fingers as he can with one... But he can't.
This discussion is doing that circle shit and I got this to do so I'm outta here. I still disagree with scaling her other jutsu to 5-A but if you disagree with me then it's whatever.
Posting this again...TheFinalOrder said:As things stand, Kaguya's profile needs to fixed anyways as some of the reasonings are not legitimate and it certainly doesn't take into account the boost she gets from IT Chakra. So, this is what I propose:
- Kaguya: 5-B, Far Higher with Infinite Tsukiyomi (The Chakra absorbed from Infinite Tsukiyomi Increases her stats exponentially). 5-A with ETSB
- The "Far Higher" aspect only translates to Madara as he also has access to Infinite Tsukiyomi and Juubito has to be discussed more.
Nb?GilgaArcuied said:back to nb tbh
lolOmimi said:sry u/me/anyone cant disagree what writer saysLordGriffin1000 said:Sorry but I disagree with 80 Gods Vacuum being stronger than ETSB. ETSB is something
if u dont agree then it look like we know more then the writer himself
Edit: also etsb is same as tsb but it was able to reach to 5-A cuz kaguya use more chakra then any other tsb user
etsb itself is not 5-A or cant be 5-A without huge amount chakra + chakra control
To keep this on track...TheFinalOrder said:Posting this again...TheFinalOrder said:As things stand, Kaguya's profile needs to fixed anyways as some of the reasonings are not legitimate and it certainly doesn't take into account the boost she gets from IT Chakra. So, this is what I propose:
- Kaguya: 5-B, Far Higher with Infinite Tsukiyomi (The Chakra absorbed from Infinite Tsukiyomi Increases her stats exponentially). 5-A with ETSB
- The "Far Higher" aspect only translates to Madara as he also has access to Infinite Tsukiyomi and Juubito has to be discussed more.
To keep this on track...TheFinalOrder said:Posting this again...TheFinalOrder said:As things stand, Kaguya's profile needs to fixed anyways as some of the reasonings are not legitimate and it certainly doesn't take into account the boost she gets from IT Chakra. So, this is what I propose:
- Kaguya: 5-B, Far Higher with Infinite Tsukiyomi (The Chakra absorbed from Infinite Tsukiyomi Increases her stats exponentially). 5-A with ETSB
- The "Far Higher" aspect only translates to Madara as he also has access to Infinite Tsukiyomi and Juubito has to be discussed more.
yes i doubt his translation considering he downplay NV and biasedSigurd Snake in The Eye said:I see no reason to doubt his translation considering he knows how to read Japanese, unless you can do a much better job of course. He even breaks down each specific kanji which you can google the definiton of to check yourself.
What do you think of my new proposal.Wokistan said:How about not starting this. Stick to arguing the characters, not one another.
The description of the ETSB is that it would erase the dimension and remake it. That's not something a TSB could do.Omimi said:etsb is same as tsb but it was able to reach to 5-A cuz kaguya use more chakra then any other tsb user
etsb itself is not 5-A or cant be 5-A without huge amount chakra + chakra control