5-A Battle Royale

[The_real_cal_howard]

No probs.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Actually... I just remembered.

If Caius dies, Etro dies too. That causes the Unseen Chaos to seep into the space-time continuum and destroy it. So he's technically Low 2-C via death.

Even then, if we use Lightning Returns Caius (Who's not bound by this), he still has Type 8 Immortality derived from the Unseen Chaos, a Tier 2 force.

So... yeah.

 

[Kaltias]

So now we have two SCP 682? Man, one was problematic enough.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Difference is that 682 actually adapts to whatever is trying to murder him.

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

So to clarify how does this work? Won't this turn into a massive battle royale without about several hundred ways for it to go?

And I'm surprised to see Yukari dead if even Cal himself admits that she's tier 2


That part was a joke.

But can't she just gap away and hide and be smart about this?

Remi of course naturally dies. She's useless.

Sakuya, has she taken out everyone vulnerable to erasure to time?

Also considering how Lavos works and how he technically scales from a Tier 2 feat should he be really included?

Tiamat vs SCP tho

Also it's not as if people goes NLF mode on Yukari anymore cough thanks to a forgotten revision cough

Also it's fun to imagine Eirin and Yukari working together to take out a good chunk of peeps or making a counter to Tiamat and then backstabbing each other.

Also Flan destruction accounted for too?

MIKU NO! ;-;

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Actually, Basevos is scaled off of lifting a giant f***ing moon sized Mountain by a boss weaker than him. As you can see, the size of that mountain really perplexes me.

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

Doesn't Lavos have an incredibly casual Planet level+ feat in base as well?

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

Moon + Mounain = Planet. I guess that's sound logic : D Kidding aside that doesn't really confuse me tbh.

And I should really finish that revision thread with the new stuff I found... But I don't want Cal o be mad at me.... choices choices... Also still arguing for the

Flan and Sakuya "Have they destroyed what they can"

and Yukari can just hide with Eirin and perform yuri- I mean experiments

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

Also that's exactly what's Rick gonna do. or you know split the timelines and etc. Hijack someone's body. Gotta get that sauce.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Yes. He does, Dark.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

If anyone can get Rick the sauce, he loses due to having no reason to fight anymore. XD

 

[Sage_God_Slayer]

If Hakumen's alive then surely Terumi would be alive considering as Susano'o at the end of CF he was soloing the main cast including Hakumen(ganked and killed Hakumen before he became Susano'o again) and he also absorbed Noel making him resistant /immune to loads of hax.

 

[Kaltias]

So, isn't Jin dead? He isn't Acausal and Akron likely kills him anyway.

 

[PaChi2]

Caius cannot die unless the Unseen Chaos is destroyed (this is a Low 2-C feat). His rebirth is pretty much instantaneous. So... who is putting him down?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@PaChi 682 via Low 2-C death

 

[PaChi2]

so... everyone dies, nice. we a have a draw!!

 

[Legion350]

Can't he be BRF'd?

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

Doubt it. Yukari leaving him in a story or dream and destroying that might cut it.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Difference is that 682 actually adapts to whatever is trying to murder him.

Ironically Caius being able to die easier is actually an advantage for him.

 

[The_Alpha]

Can 682 handle being erased from existence? I know that a supposed omnipotent didn't want to erase him (because it wasn't one of his own) but that's not a resistance feat, there's also being able to deny reality warping.

If he can be erased (as in: his time is destroyed) then Hakumen can get rid of him.

Most people with hax should also be ineffective against Hakumen as he can specifically deny that.

Terumi is dead (though might be able to revive or continue to be around due to observation) unless he's Susano'o. On that note, I'd suggest actually using Takehaya Susano'o no Mikoto (2nd key) instead of Terumi.

Remilia's power is noted as possibly being subconscious (being close to her gives you "bad luck" and etc as noted by written works, albeit from the perspective of Akyuu) but even if it wasn't it'd get hard countered by Hakumen.


Also, I'd suggest making it a bit more informative then just speed equalized, they might all be snails for all we know. An average of their speed, maybe?

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

I'll say it again, Remi is useless here


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And if that's the case then Sakuya and him could work together on that, or just one or the other. Would they be enough to go against Tiamat I wonder

 

[The_Alpha]

And if that's the case then Sakuya and him could work together on that, or just one or the other. Would they be enough to go against Tiamat I wonder

If you are talking about Hakumen then all she adds is the ability for Hakumen to attack everything faster (and possibly charge his time killer faster so Lavos goes ded), or basically more versatility.

If Takehaya Susano'o no Mikoto is allowed into the fight he's basically 682 with energy attacks (and isn't really adaptable) but he's a bit stronger then Hakumen and basically unkillable unless you can tear him out of the unit (which we don't know the workings of, or if it would work once he's properly fused which only requires him to consume the 'dreams' of someone)

He would also probably keep Hakumen alive so he could become stronger (because Hakumen can end up really hating him.) Hakumen can't do shit against him while he has the unit.

I could try to quantify just how "large planet level" these Blazblue characters are, but it wouldn't be based off of any calcs, more on the statement Izanami made during story mode.

 

[Kaltias]

Is Hakumen resistant to spatial manipulation or only to time manipulation?

 

[The_Alpha]

Is Hakumen resistant to spatial manipulation or only to time manipulation?

His power of order allows him to shrug off forced teleportation among other things. It's generally anti-hax from my interpretation.

It's power is variable but considering his purpose as basically being the erasor to Amaterasu's pen, its power is probably variable to the amount of interferences or foreign/rogue entities in the "stories" she writes, which means it would be very strong here.

By definition, phenomenon intervention is a lot like Golden Experience Requiem, except it's mostly used consciously, half the time on a universal level by Master Unit Amaterasu and it can only shift things from nonexistent to existent (or vice versa) if the thing exists in the first place. So they can write a story by making "possibilities" that exist come true. Hakumen rebels against fate in other words and his ability can do more then just interact with time manipulation, it also shrugs off mind control and various other things. (The definition of the ability is vague, but this is what it's been demonstrated to do, you could say that his Power of Order is demonstrated in-game by his drive, which stops you if you hit him while he has it up.)

It more or less works on reality warping in general. He also resisted sitting in instant-soul-vaporization-and-mind-rape dimension for 100 years and only forgot a few things.

PoO itself works as an instinct more or less, so he can detect whenever anybody uses reality warping against him and counter it.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Question of the day, can 682 adapt to that?

 

[The_Alpha]

Question of the day, can 682 adapt to that?

Who knows? He can probably adapt to time killer, if he can resist it. I'd argue that his immortality is a lot like Saya/Izanami/Noel Vermillion in Blazblue, who has the "Azure Flame Grimoire" (localized, it's actually blue grimoire) that makes her always exist. Izanami was able to take him without any problem because of this. However, his time killer was made null by the power of observation which is basically the exact opposite of it, which observes something (or yourself) so that it exists, Terumi was bound to the hate in the world (and the hate towards him) and he would've died if he hadn't observed himself.

 

[Kaltias]

How does time killer works? It erases you from space-time? It kills you in the past?

 

[The_Alpha]

How does time killer works? It erases you from space-time? It kills you in the past?

All we know is that it erases your "time" so you cease to exist, or get written out of the story.

Observation is a writing ability in contrast and the master unit is the most powerful observer.

Since it cuts at your "time" we'll just take the shortcut and say that it means all your time. Similar abilities like using phenomenon intervention to delete a person is said to "alter memories" because the person never existed. (also the Susano'o unit allows you to handwave paradoxes away)

 

[Kaltias]

Akron might be able to survive it, as the Cosmic Monoliths are able to manipulate their personal space-time (even inside a black hole I may add) and Akron's space-time manipulation is better than theirs

 

[The_Alpha]

Akron might be able to survive it, as the Cosmic Monoliths are able to manipulate their personal space-time (even inside a black hole I may add) and Akron's space-time manipulation is better than theirs

What can they do with it?

 

[Kaltias]

They briefly change their space-time coordinates to avoid attacks or to attack, because they don't move on their own. I think they can also slow and stop time but this may be EBF4 only and thus doesn't scale to Akron

 

[The_Alpha]

They briefly change their space-time coordinates to avoid attacks or to attack, because they don't move on their own. I think they can also slow and stop time but this may be EBF4 only and thus doesn't scale to Akro

Sounds like it could be possibly be countered by Power of Order, but I'm not going to assert anything.

This is just conjecture but Takehaya Susano'o no Mikoto should be as powerful as Izanami + Noel + Yuuki Terumi + Hakumen (100%? and with more skill) which would probably make him 3x "everything within a 400,000km radius will be atomized" (probably less, since Izanami stated that she'd have difficulty producing this much power but assuming she can even use half of it that'd make Susano'o very large planet level through his fusion.)

 

[Kaltias]

For Akron power-wise, there is Matt, who generated a Large Planet level attack with a casual strike during a quickdraw tournament. And Natalie and Lance, who scale from him.

Akron completely stomped the three of them and nearly killed them instantly by absorbing their powers. Then, he woke up completely.

He also fought them later on while they where far stronger than before (Lance stated that the fourth boss out of 6 was stronger than his Valkyrie Tank) and it took all of their might to kill him temporarily.

 

[The_Alpha]

For Akron power-wise, there is Matt, who generated a Large Planet level attack with a casual strike during a quickdraw tournament. And Natalie and Lance, who scale from him.
Akron completely stomped the three of them and nearly killed them instantly by absorbing their powers. Then, he woke up completely.

He also fought them later on while they where far stronger than before (Lance stated that the fourth boss out of 6 was stronger than his Valkyrie Tank) and it took all of their might to kill him temporarily.

Looks like you'd have to user a time killer to get rid of him (unless my conjecture is taken into account and at highest interpretation, in which Hakumen is relative to Izanami, but atomizing everything within a 400,000km radius requires a lot more power then just mass scattering it), so it's up to whether Power of Order can properly shut him down or not.

 

[XBlackExcellenceX]

I love how nobody's mentioning Swamp Thing. Nothing in this royale can bypass his high-godly regen and type 8 immortality. While he has the higher stats with offensive hax to win it.

1.High Godly Regenerationn: Pralaya destroyed all of reality but Swamp still regenerated.

2.Type 8 Immortality: Swamp is the gree and it exists across Marvel's infinite multiverse.

3.Higher Attack Potency/Stats: Swamp Thing's 5-A rating is an extreme low-ball given he defeated Rot, who in turn defeated every superhero on earth. These superheroes includes Superma, Supergirl, and Cyborg.

4.Reality Warping: Swamp Thing has complete control over Earth. He was able to temporarily restrai a house that travels between space-time/limbo. Lastly, Swamp manipulated causality/reality when he fixed Superman's flawed connection with Post-Flaspoint's reality.

So in my opinion, Swamp causally destroys almost everyone here. The only challenges being SCP-682, Tiamat, Arcueid Brunestud, and possibly Lavos.

 

[Kaltias]

Why Swamp Thing doesn't have Acausality on its profile? It doesn't really makes sense, if it survived being erased from all directions of time and space

 

[Kaltias]

But i'd like to point out that Akron's rating is also a massive lowball, considering that is based on curbstomping 3 people who where casually Large Planet level in the early days of their "career" and that the curbstomp happened while Akron was barely conscious, and that he also absorbed almost all of their power adding it to his own.

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

I'm pretty sure everyone is on the same ball park DC wise. Also some of the other contenders have reality warping too. Also temporary huh. And there is Ko so... Lavos vs Swamp Thing tho

 

[The_Alpha]

Still suggesting putting Yuuki Terumi back into the fight except with his 2nd key (Susano'o unit) incarnation since it's still 5A.

 

[Brunout]

I just wanted to point that Hakumen 100% is stronger than Terumi in the Susano'o Unit.

Even with the Susano'o Unit, Terumi admited that he was weaker than the black beast (his plan was to create a world where he could be stronger than her), while Hakumen was the only one who could trade blows with the beast.

Not to mention that the PoO does not just gives Hakumen HAX resistance, but also gives him buffs (the files in chronophantasma says that, the larger the threat to the world's balance, the stronger the user of PoO becomes to fight it)

Also, Ragna in his win-quote against Susano'o, says that susanoo isn't strong as that "masked freak"