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This is a staff-only thread. If you aren't staff, you aren't given permission to speak.
With the most recent incident rearing its ugly head, we come to the close of another chapter of Tokyo Revenger's storied history on this site. Here we have a verse that is otherwise obscure offsite, but for whatever reason seems to attract drama, feuding, and outright manipulative behavior here on the site. This is not the first landmark occasion for Tokyo Revengers. In 2023, the situation was bad enough that we discussed whether to allow upgrade attempts for the verse at all, given how mired it was in dishonest portrayals of feats. This crystalized less than a month later into this discussion, which limited how much Tokyo Revengers could exist on this site.
As is stated in the OP of that thread, at the time Tokyo Revengers needed such intervention because of the regularity with which it appeared in the RVRT, in spite of an extremely small relative following compared to other verses notable for their toxicity (not naming names, you can figure it out). This ceased in recent years with the introduction of such a rule, and the apparent disappearance of at least one notable individual perpetrating the toxicity. If you read the most recent announcement of the wiki (the first linked article, up above), then you know this individual merely adopted a different means of manipulating this particular verse.
Vzearr, AKA Vapour, took up a staff role by showing general competence in certain fields, and diversified his range of interests so as to avoid identification. Although his most recent calc efforts in regards to TR were met with skepticism, this stealth manipulation continued until he outed himself out of supposed guilt. It has been suggested in the discussion leading up to this thread that we do not need extra measures, as TR has had no extreme infractions recently: I would point out that recently the verse has taken to even more extreme means of obfuscating their motives and actions, and that it may well have continued on and on were it not for a stated change of heart.
So, the actual elephant in the room. It is known now that our rulings of yesteryear were insufficient to shield this verse from manipulation and toxicity. It is known now the extent to which certain individuals will go to just to try and change a 9-C to a 9-B. And so I suggest a discussion as to what we, the staff members of the wiki, are to do about it.
To those reading, and for posterity, let it be known that my initial suggestion was to simply wipe the verse off the face of VS Battles Wiki. I deemed it more trouble than it is worth by many magnitudes, and with a fanbase on average unwilling to honestly portray it, I felt it was the best option to simply wash our hands of the thing.
Further arguments have been made on this. Some suggest, I believe, doing nothing, painting this as an outlier and dismissing any reaction as revenge. Some have suggested the current rules may work, or perhaps simply need an extension. It has also been suggested that rather than killing the verse off, a ban on it exists until a reasonable request is made for its return by individuals who will safeguard it better than those in the past, a case we have made for certain verses with high unreliability and low staff ability to change it. Finally, it occurs to me that another route to take may be to just scrap the old and start the new- delete all profiles, ignore all old calc blogs, and begin from the ground up, this time with staff more focused on the verse's developments (ideally) so as to catch any foul play.
As these suggestions exist, they must be discussed. I find myself open to the possibility of some alternative to total deletion, but I would like to be convinced. What is to be done about Tokyo Revengers on VS Battles Wiki? As with all things, the minutiae of any given suggestion here will be discussed upon that route being decided upon.
Ban the verse: Mr. Bambu, Tllmbrg, Antvasima, KLOL506, CloverDragon03, Mr._Propeller_Hat, PsychoMaster35, TWILIGHT-OP
Delete the verse and ban it until trusted users can be found to maintain it: DMUA, AbaddonTheDisappointment, Qawsedf234, Damage3245, Theglassman12, Flashlight237, Apotheosis69, Emirp Sumitpo
Lock the verse until trusted users can be found to maintain it: FinePoint, UchihaSlayer, Nierre, Reiner04, KingTempest, Armorchompy, Colonel_Krukov
Current rules are fine: Agnaa, Catzlaflame
Unsure of specific action, against a ban: DarkDragonMedeus, Ritsu01, GrathOfLux
With the most recent incident rearing its ugly head, we come to the close of another chapter of Tokyo Revenger's storied history on this site. Here we have a verse that is otherwise obscure offsite, but for whatever reason seems to attract drama, feuding, and outright manipulative behavior here on the site. This is not the first landmark occasion for Tokyo Revengers. In 2023, the situation was bad enough that we discussed whether to allow upgrade attempts for the verse at all, given how mired it was in dishonest portrayals of feats. This crystalized less than a month later into this discussion, which limited how much Tokyo Revengers could exist on this site.
As is stated in the OP of that thread, at the time Tokyo Revengers needed such intervention because of the regularity with which it appeared in the RVRT, in spite of an extremely small relative following compared to other verses notable for their toxicity (not naming names, you can figure it out). This ceased in recent years with the introduction of such a rule, and the apparent disappearance of at least one notable individual perpetrating the toxicity. If you read the most recent announcement of the wiki (the first linked article, up above), then you know this individual merely adopted a different means of manipulating this particular verse.
Vzearr, AKA Vapour, took up a staff role by showing general competence in certain fields, and diversified his range of interests so as to avoid identification. Although his most recent calc efforts in regards to TR were met with skepticism, this stealth manipulation continued until he outed himself out of supposed guilt. It has been suggested in the discussion leading up to this thread that we do not need extra measures, as TR has had no extreme infractions recently: I would point out that recently the verse has taken to even more extreme means of obfuscating their motives and actions, and that it may well have continued on and on were it not for a stated change of heart.
So, the actual elephant in the room. It is known now that our rulings of yesteryear were insufficient to shield this verse from manipulation and toxicity. It is known now the extent to which certain individuals will go to just to try and change a 9-C to a 9-B. And so I suggest a discussion as to what we, the staff members of the wiki, are to do about it.
To those reading, and for posterity, let it be known that my initial suggestion was to simply wipe the verse off the face of VS Battles Wiki. I deemed it more trouble than it is worth by many magnitudes, and with a fanbase on average unwilling to honestly portray it, I felt it was the best option to simply wash our hands of the thing.
Further arguments have been made on this. Some suggest, I believe, doing nothing, painting this as an outlier and dismissing any reaction as revenge. Some have suggested the current rules may work, or perhaps simply need an extension. It has also been suggested that rather than killing the verse off, a ban on it exists until a reasonable request is made for its return by individuals who will safeguard it better than those in the past, a case we have made for certain verses with high unreliability and low staff ability to change it. Finally, it occurs to me that another route to take may be to just scrap the old and start the new- delete all profiles, ignore all old calc blogs, and begin from the ground up, this time with staff more focused on the verse's developments (ideally) so as to catch any foul play.
As these suggestions exist, they must be discussed. I find myself open to the possibility of some alternative to total deletion, but I would like to be convinced. What is to be done about Tokyo Revengers on VS Battles Wiki? As with all things, the minutiae of any given suggestion here will be discussed upon that route being decided upon.
Ban the verse: Mr. Bambu, Tllmbrg, Antvasima, KLOL506, CloverDragon03, Mr._Propeller_Hat, PsychoMaster35, TWILIGHT-OP
Delete the verse and ban it until trusted users can be found to maintain it: DMUA, AbaddonTheDisappointment, Qawsedf234, Damage3245, Theglassman12, Flashlight237, Apotheosis69, Emirp Sumitpo
Lock the verse until trusted users can be found to maintain it: FinePoint, UchihaSlayer, Nierre, Reiner04, KingTempest, Armorchompy, Colonel_Krukov
Current rules are fine: Agnaa, Catzlaflame
Unsure of specific action, against a ban: DarkDragonMedeus, Ritsu01, GrathOfLux
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I would like to change my vote to Unsure of specific action, against a ban. 
