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17 vs. 17
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GarrixianXD
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GT scales to 3 universes, Super scales to six. Stomp in ToP 17’s flavor.
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Didn’t 17 also managed to harm Jiren with his ki-blast? I mean, there’s always self-destruct
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17 doesn't need to self-destruct considering he's FAR stronger than Super 17 (either 1.5625 or 15.625 trillion times into 3U 2-C vs 312.5 trillion)
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Still a stomp for ToP 17 nonetheless then
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Know the scaling chains
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Honestly, any fair fight above tier 4 based on pure-ap is nigh-impossible, especially if it's characters from difference franchises and continuums
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Possibly, he still stomps even if he doesn’t
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then ue just uses that and blows Super 17 to smithereen
reg 17 can survive his own self destruction so he would just win when he realizes that none of his attacks are doing anything
then again tho since the current DBS scaling chain assumes that Blue is x2500 while entirely disregarding SSJ2 through God due to not having set multipliers, it's very likely that reg 17 isn't THAT far behind in AP
either way reg 17 gets my vote
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I vote for gt 17
No One Can Beat Him When He’s Super 17
No One Can Beat Him When He’s Super 17
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DBS 17 solos GT
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Voting for Android 17
The one made by Dr. Gero
With Black Hair
And has a sister named 18
And who has leaped significantly in power from his Z counterpart
The one made by Dr. Gero
With Black Hair
And has a sister named 18
And who has leaped significantly in power from his Z counterpart
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HAHA! NO ONE CAN BEAT HIM WHEN HES SUPER 17!
Btw what does super manga 2-C scale up to?
Btw what does super manga 2-C scale up to?
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I wonder if Super 17 could mind control DBS 17 due to Hell Fighter's ability
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Forest man one shots before he can do anything
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Technically, Super 17 is the stronger one here, but DBS 17 one-shots with self-destructs or barrier punches, which I'm pretty sure he doesn't start with
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17 is the one that's stronger, and by a significant amount (312.5 trillion times into 3U 2-C vs either 1.5625 trillion or 15.625 trillion times into 3U 2-C)
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I'd like to see the origin of such numbers, since I'm like 90% sure GT Goku stomped Beginning of ToP Goku in the last thread
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GT Scaling
(BSS) Base Goku: 1
(BSS) SS1 Goku : 50x
Rildo Base / Sigma / Meta: 1/50/50
Baby: 50 (assuming he scales to either Sigma or Meta Rildo as opposed to Base)
SS1 Goten: 2500x
SS1 Gohan: 125,000x
SS1 Goku: 6,250,000x
Majuub : 6,250,000x
Golden Great Ape/SS4: 62,500,000x
(S17) Base Gohan : 6,250,000x (Majuub expected Base Gohans KHH to be more effective than his own attacks vs S17 and was left in disbelief when it failed)
SS1 Gohan / Goku / Vegeta: 312,500,000x
SS4 Goku: 3,125,000,000x
Rage Shenron: 3,125,000,000x (no sold SS4 KHH x10)
Base Nova : 3,125,000,000x (stated to be above the previous dragons)
Base Goku: 3,125,000,000x (defeated Base Nova)
SS4 Goku : 1,562,500,000,000x
FPSS4 Goku: 15,625,000,000,000x w/ Dragon Hammer or Self Destrcution
DBS Scaling
Suppressed Beerus/Super Saiyan God Goku - 1
God's Crimson Radiance Super Saiyan Goku - 50x
Post-Zenkai Base Goku - At least 100x
Post-Battle of Gods Super Saiyan Goku - At least 5,000x
Super Saiyan Blue Goku - At least 250,000x
Super Saiyan Rosé Goku Black (Regained his divinity and added it to his Super Saiyan transformation)- At least 625,000,000x
Super Saiyan Blue Goku Post-Limit Break (Overpowered Fusion Zamasu's Holy Wrath and severely damaged him when previously it took Vegeta and Trunks to repel the attack) - At least 1,250,000,000x
Base Vegito (Significantly stronger than the combined strength of Goku and Vegeta) - At least 2,500,000,000x
Super Saiyan Blue Vegito - At least 6,250,000,000,000x
Pre-Spirit Bomb Super Saiyan Rage Trunks (Damaged Giant Grotesque Fusion Zamasu, who can take many attacks from Super Saiyan Blue Vegito) - At least 6,250,000,000,000x
Super Saiyan God Goku at the beginning of the Tournament of Power (Kept up with Dyspo who was overpowering Hit before he improved) - At least 6,250,000,000,000x
Super Saiyan Blue Goku at the beginning of the Tournament of Power - At least 312,500,000,000,000x
Super 17 scales to SS4 Goku and DBS 17 scales to Early-ToP SSB Goku
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I don't quite understand why Rage Trunks scales to Hit?
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Rage Trunks scales to Blue Goku and Vegeta who scale to Hit
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He doesn't. He scales to Giant Grotesque Zamasu. Hit scales to Post-Zamasu Saga SSB Goku who scales to Rage Trunks. And by the time of the ToP Goku in SSG is keeping up with Dyspo who was overpowering Hit before he improved
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Why does SSB Goku scale to Rage Trunks?
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Because Vegeta and Goku by the very end of the arc are comparable to Trunks, whose transformation has the same multiplier as SSB
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What makes them comparable? Trunks defeated the guy who was holding his own with their fusion
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Because by the time they've recovered and returned to the past Trunks isn't treated as significantly above them (if what you were suggesting were true Trunks' base form would be 5,000 times above their base forms)
That was before they recovered from extreme exhaustion and getting knocked the hell out of by Zamasu
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Neither is Goku and Vegeta getting thousands of times stronger and I don't see how Goku and Vegeta not acknowledging the power boost means they somehow scale?
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Its established they can get power boosts from doing less while already exhausted (and in this instance they exhausted their energy from Vegito, got obliterated again by Zamasu, and then gave all their remaining energy to Trunks). And then they of course recover after all that and are treated the same
Tell me Trunks' last interaction with Vegeta stays the same even if he were to turn Super Saiyan Blue
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I know it's possible, but nothing indicates that it happened either
Maybe so, maybe not. Who really knows
Vegeta going for a punch and Trunks casually catching it, could mean anything, from Trunks being relative to Vegeta to Trunks being leagues beyond him
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Shit, that last interaction involved a casual Trunks blocking a casual attack from Vegeta that still pushed him back a little
They are absolutely comparable
They are absolutely comparable
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Don't see where it pushed him here, and both being = when casual doesn't mean they're both = at full power, or are we scaling Goku to Cell?
Plus, even if they were around equal in base, SSJRage let Trunks go from being Pre-ROSAT Base Vegeta level to SSJR Black level, and this Black was stronger than Blue Vegeta in base, so SSJRage is definitely stronger than SSJB
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It visibly changed his position and moved him off the ground
Fair point,
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+SSRage Future Trunks last fight vs. Zamasu can be chalked up to PIS or that Trunks was stupidly amped.
there's absolutely no way Goku and Vegeta surpassed their potara fusion like two episodes later especially when there's really no hint at it until episode 109/110
there's absolutely no way Goku and Vegeta surpassed their potara fusion like two episodes later especially when there's really no hint at it until episode 109/110
