Battle of the Hero Killers

[Peppersalt43]

Not Stain #1 : 7
Not Stain #2 : 0
Incon : 0

Speed equalized
Post-Joining Ihwa used
Starting distance is 20 meters

A killer of the corrupted and a killer of tinkers. In case you're wondering, Mannequin's dura is 0,009 tons and has a habit of riding down his attacks in order to reduce the impact force

 

[Cimafranca133]

How would the Mannequin defeat Ihwa?

 

[Peppersalt43]

How would the Mannequin defeat Ihwa?

There are blades that can extend from his limbs with the ability to sever molecular bonds

Dura negation blades basically

 

[Peppersalt43]

Well that was fun

Bump

 

[Cimafranca133]

How would Mannequin deal with Ihwa spamming her Electricity Manipulation

 

[Peppersalt43]

How would Mannequin deal with Ihwa spamming her Electricity Manipulation

Is it that one type of electricity with paralyzing properties? Even then, his body is always powered by electricity so he should be fine

 

[Cimafranca133]

In terms of skill, how good is the Mannequin?

 

[Peppersalt43]

In terms of skill, how good is the Mannequin?

Mannequin is known for killing off Tinkers, heroes who specialize in engineering advanced machines for either combat or miscellaneous uses. Most of them are far superior to the average IRL engineer, some even being able to create machines, weapons, and security devices that can devastate armies.

Most notable was surviving a fight against Armsmaster, the guy he stole that dura negation blade from. Guy's a profesional hero who with the help of his teammates can take down monsters that can solo groups of heroes that can normally take down an army. At least as far as I can recall

 

[Cimafranca133]

Mannequin is known for killing off Tinkers, heroes who specialize in engineering advanced machines for either combat or miscellaneous uses. Most of them are far superior to the average IRL engineer, some even being able to create machines, weapons, and security devices that can devastate armies.

How skilled are these thinkers? They seem to only be engineers who make advance hero tech.

Most notable was surviving a fight against Armsmaster, the guy he stole that dura negation blade from. Guy's a profesional hero who with the help of his teammates can take down monsters that can solo groups of heroes that can normally take down an army. At least as far as I can recall

How skilled are armies in this verse? It's likely that the group of heroes (which monsters can solo) defeated armies due to AP Stomp and not skill. Also, how smart are these monsters which can solo groups of heroes?

 

[Peppersalt43]

How skilled are armies in this verse?

Your average IRL first world country army

It's likely that the group of heroes (which monsters can solo) defeated armies due to AP Stomp and not skill. Also, how smart are these monsters which can solo groups of heroes?

No, not exactly. The monsters were able to notice the tactics of the heroes and adapted their strategies accordingly. This is a verse with tons of durability negation so AP doesn't really matter that much. And yeah, they're basically as smart as the average geniuses in the verse with some capable of contending with regular war tacticians

How skilled are these thinkers? They seem to only be engineers who make advance hero tech.

Yeah, it's fighting off their tech that gives the skill

 

[Cimafranca133]

Your average IRL first world country army

Cool, do they have tanks/rocket launcher or did the army in the verse only have guns such as AK47s or MP4s

No, not exactly.

I was talking about the heroes vs army btw

The monsters were able to notice the tactics of the heroes and adapted their strategies accordingly.

Did they have time? As in, they prepared before fighting the heroes?

This is a verse with tons of durability negation so AP doesn't really matter that much.

Including the army? Would that mean most people in the verse can one-shot each other?

And yeah, they're basically as smart as the average geniuses in the verse with some capable of contending with regular war tacticians

How smart are these verse geniuses exactly?

Yeah, it's fighting off their tech that gives the skill

How strong is their tech? Are there scans of it?

 

[Peppersalt43]

Did they have time? As in, they prepared before fighting the heroes?

Nope, on the fly. Meaning in the middle of battle

Including the army? Would that mean most people in the verse can one-shot each other?

It's mostly for the superheroes but yes, lots of one-shots

How smart are these verse geniuses exactly?

I gave an example right next to the word genius

How strong is their tech? Are there scans of it?

Armsmaster and String Theory are 2 of the best examples of this. They have profiles, just search for it

 

[Cimafranca133]

Nope, on the fly. Meaning in the middle of battle

Cool.

It's mostly for the superheroes but yes, lots of one-shots

The main problem with this is that it feels like Mannequin just one-shot heroes with dura neg rather than actually outskilling them.

 

[Peppersalt43]

The main problem with this is that it feels like Mannequin just one-shot heroes with dura neg rather than actually outskilling them.

Oh wait, sorry. I worded it wrong

Durability negation doesn't always mean a one-shot. His blades aren't an insta-kill unless he hits something important and being able to even hit someone who's familiar with those weapons (which are infamous in-verse) should still take skill. Also it's melee so it's even easier to dodge with good skill and range

 

[Cimafranca133]

Oh wait, sorry. I worded it wrong

Durability negation doesn't always mean a one-shot. His blades aren't an insta-kill unless he hits something important and being able to even hit someone who's familiar with those weapons (which are infamous in-verse) should still take skill. Also it's melee so it's even easier to dodge with good skill and range

Define "something important"

 

[Peppersalt43]

something important

Internal organs. Like the heart or brain. Or a weak spot

 

[Cimafranca133]

While Mannequin's dura neg is gonna be a hug problem due to Ihwa usually being a melee fighter, I think Ihwa can just dodge his attacks and spam as many attacks as possible. She can also stay as far away from Mannequin as possible and shoot steel balls at Mannequin.

 

[Peppersalt43]

While Mannequin's dura neg is gonna be a hug problem due to Ihwa usually being a melee fighter, I think Ihwa can just dodge his attacks and spam as many attacks as possible. She can also stay as far away from Mannequin as possible and shoot steel balls at Mannequin.

He is capable of acrobatics and if conditions are unfavorable, he can retreat and attempt to land a sneak attack. He has sneaked past a swarm of bugs which is being monitored by the user (It's in the profile)

 

[Cimafranca133]

He is capable of acrobatics

So can Ihwa

If conditions are unfavorable, he can retreat and attempt to land a sneak attack.

Enhanced Senses says no

He has sneaked past a swarm of bugs which is being monitored by the user (It's in the profile)

Do these bugs have enhanced senses?

 

[Peppersalt43]

Do these bugs have enhanced senses?

No but there's a lot of em. Basically sneaking past a bunch of security cameras

 

[Cimafranca133]

No but there's a lot of em. Basically sneaking past a bunch of security cameras

Cool, but I still think Ihwa's ES still negs that

 

[Peppersalt43]

Cool, but I still think Ihwa's ES still negs that

Wait a second, I completely forgot about something.

Insects by default do have ES. Like mosquitoes and flies for example, they have profiles I think. Also re-reading Taylor Hebert's profile, she can also hear and feel what they feel

 

[Cimafranca133]

Wait a second, I completely forgot about something.

Insects by default do have ES. Like mosquitoes and flies for example, they have profiles I think. Also re-reading Taylor Hebert's profile, she can also hear and feel what they feel

How good are they're ES? Ihwa was able to locate Chaos despite being 2000 yards away from him. She was also able to detect an invisible dude.

 

[Peppersalt43]

How good are they're ES? Ihwa was able to locate Chaos despite being 2000 yards away from him. She was also able to detect an invisible dude.

Just check the Real World Invertebrate Section for information on what insects can do with ES

 

[Cimafranca133]

Just check the Real World Invertebrate Section for information on what insects can do with ES

Honestly, I'm not certain if ES of real life insects are any good. Also, does Mannequin resist Fear Manipulation or Illusion Creation?

 

[Peppersalt43]

Fear Manipulation or Illusion Creation?

He is made to be resistant from mind-based fear as protections against their member, Cherish who primarily uses her mind manip to perform Empathic Manip

As for Illusions Creation, he can see through a thick swarm of bugs without eyes. He doesn't see conventionally

Honestly, I'm not certain if ES of real life insects are any good

I mean, they can react to attacks from creatures faster and much larger than them (Us. They can dodge us)

 

[Cimafranca133]

He is made to be resistant from mind-based fear as protections against their member, Cherish who primarily uses her mind manip to perform Empathic Manip

As for Illusions Creation, he can see through a thick swarm of bugs without eyes. He doesn't see conventionally

Cool I guess, Ihwa doesn't really use these abilities much anyways.

I mean, they can react to attacks from creatures faster and much larger than them (Us. They can dodge us)

Because we are snails compared to them. Also, they are tiny.

 

[Peppersalt43]

Cool I guess, Ihwa doesn't really use these abilities much anyways.

Because we are snails compared to them. Also, they are tiny.

Oh well, I guess I'll count your vote now

 

[Cimafranca133]

Oh well, I guess I'll count your vote now

I would also like to note out that Ihwa has Precog, Minor Info Analysis and AD

 

[Peppersalt43]

Precog

Based on the scan I saw, I'm not sure if it's combat applicable

AD

Is it tied to her power stealing?

 

[Cimafranca133]

Based on the scan I saw, I'm not sure if it's combat applicable

fair enough

Is it tied to her power stealing?

yes, she can not only steal abilities but also their statuses. Unfortunately, she can only steal abilities from people she kills however, there's a possibility that she may be able to "copy statuses" using Power Mimicry.

 

[Peppersalt43]

there's a possibility that she may be able to "copy statuses" using Power Mimicry.

The only problem is, Mannequin's combat applicable abilities are tied to his machinery and not his powers which is in a nutshell, a Bioengineering Degree

 

[azontr]

What exactly stops Ihwa from skill stomping this clown

 

[Peppersalt43]

What exactly stops Ihwa from skill stomping this clown

Did you not see our skill feat debate at the top?

 

[azontr]

No cause I didn't read it [insert gigachad]

 

[Cimafranca133]

No cause I didn't read it [insert goblin]

 

[azontr]

real

 

[azontr]

I mean even reading the skill debate I don't think it was ever actually concluded as to who was the better combatant?

 

[Cimafranca133]

Bump!

 

[Cimafranca133]

I mean even reading the skill debate I don't think it was ever actually concluded as to who was the better combatant?

Listen, I ain't good at debating