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- Thread starter Vizer04
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I don't see how that would make them 8-B. Please explain
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I guess maybe if you’re stronger than both their combined APs
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Carnage and Venom scale to 7.98 Tons of TNT so Toxin Eddie would need to upscale from them 1.37 times in order to reach 8-B
Considering Mulligan who's an inferior host could beat both Venom and Carnage at once i think upscaling to the next tier is possible
Considering Mulligan who's an inferior host could beat both Venom and Carnage at once i think upscaling to the next tier is possible
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This depends on full detail
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Agent Venom thing is likely an outlier, from my recollection dude’s sus as a High 8-C+, let alone 8-B.
Toxin I remember fuckall about tbh, so I’ll let folks who know handle that,tend to avoid symbiote stuff like the plague
Toxin I remember fuckall about tbh, so I’ll let folks who know handle that,
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I concur with this
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I personally feel like the Agent Venom thing is an outlier given he's more consistently on the level of Brock's Venom/superior to Peter. Not to mention, Toxin can already defeat Agent Venom, keeping the upper hand throughout the fight. Patrick whooping Venom and Carnage's asses though, I feel is more reliable. Keep in mind that Carnage is already stronger than both Spider-Man and Venom, the latter of which has always been clearly superior to Parker
This personally covers things fairly well, 8-B feels suitable
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Kinda off topic but why on 616 Spider-Man profile says that he can trade blows with venom and carnage and he’s still only high 8-c and not high 8-c+? And ain’t there times where Spider-Man just gets so pissed he beats the shit out of rhino so hard he causes him to piss his pants? Doesn’t that deserve a key at least?
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If Peter is High 8-C+, then High 8-C+ literally can't exist/be consistent
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Even with rage amps?
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Btw toxin's power levels depend on his rage and sadnesses. It varies heavily.
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Simply being able to fight two or more people of the same AP doesn't make one 2x stronger; something like Toxin being able to exert more force than the two of them working together would be a different story. But outfighting a group doesn't make you upscale from the group's combined AP.
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The gap between the two values is less than 2x, you can **** up something twice as strong as you with relative ease. The gap typically is 7x to be far too strong to affect someone.
If you can find me scans saying Spider-Man has rage amps I'll gladly list him 8-B
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Also sources?
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You want scans of spidey beating the shit out of the rhino when pissed off? Bet
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7.98 tons
Specific evidence that Spider-Man gets stronger with rage would probably be needed. I guess you have the whole "lol superhero holding back" thing but that's really inconsistent.
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Ok hold on I’ll get the scans
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Easily manhandling The Rhino is more likely a bit of a plot-induced stupidity outlier.
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But what if it’s when Spider-Man is extremely pissed off, coudlnt that just be a rage amp?
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Also if you are gonna send scans, make sure to source them. Unlike the current thread
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No I want scans saying explicitly, that Spider-Man gets stronger the madder he gets.
Said it pretty straight too.
I'm not inventing mechanics.
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sorry for the wait but here they are
spiderman while bloodlusted beats the **** out of morlun when he normally gets negged (cant find the issue
), an enraged spiderman bullied the shit out of carnage (The Amazing Spider-Man 2018 issue #31). An enraged spiderman absolutely destroys the rhino causing rihno to drop the fight entirely (The Spectacular Spider-Man #190). Its stated that in a guide book and in one of the Superior Spider-Man: The Complete Collection comics is that he actively holds back his power to where he doesn't brutally hurt his opponents, and when he gets angry he's literally shown stronger
spiderman while bloodlusted beats the **** out of morlun when he normally gets negged (cant find the issue
), an enraged spiderman bullied the shit out of carnage (The Amazing Spider-Man 2018 issue #31). An enraged spiderman absolutely destroys the rhino causing rihno to drop the fight entirely (The Spectacular Spider-Man #190). Its stated that in a guide book and in one of the Superior Spider-Man: The Complete Collection comics is that he actively holds back his power to where he doesn't brutally hurt his opponents, and when he gets angry he's literally shown stronger
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These definitely fall more into the realm of outliers. Either that or just feats to support their durabilitysorry for the wait but here they are
spiderman while bloodlusted beats the **** out of morlun when he normally gets negged (cant find the issue
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why could these not be rage amps that amps him to high 8-c+?
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Weekly sent me the following message:
"Hey, i know im not one of the main marvel members but i figured that since i was the one who revised Venom i should have some knowledge on this, Toxin should definitely be 8-B. Venom is 7.98 tons, Carnage is immensely stronger than Venom both via his own feats and via the canon explanation of symbiote offspring being significantly stronger than their parent, and Toxin is to Carnage what Carnage is to Venom, to the point that a weaker host of Toxin stomped Carnage without even needing to transform just from the amount Toxin empowered him and Carnage and Venom working together to actively kill him werent enough to beat him, with both of them confirming that Toxin is the strongest symbiote to be spawned (prior to Grendel and Knull's introduction into the verse)"
"Hey, i know im not one of the main marvel members but i figured that since i was the one who revised Venom i should have some knowledge on this, Toxin should definitely be 8-B. Venom is 7.98 tons, Carnage is immensely stronger than Venom both via his own feats and via the canon explanation of symbiote offspring being significantly stronger than their parent, and Toxin is to Carnage what Carnage is to Venom, to the point that a weaker host of Toxin stomped Carnage without even needing to transform just from the amount Toxin empowered him and Carnage and Venom working together to actively kill him werent enough to beat him, with both of them confirming that Toxin is the strongest symbiote to be spawned (prior to Grendel and Knull's introduction into the verse)"
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Because everything else Flash did just doesn't compare to it?
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........how else are you supposed to define what an outlier is?
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This is the biggest outlier of all time for the record, because Spider-Man straight up has said multiple times he doesn't have to hold back against Morlun and STILL does **** all damage to him.sorry for the wait but here they are
spiderman while bloodlusted beats the **** out of morlun when he normally gets negged (cant find the issue
You can read the Spider-Geddon tie-in for 2018 Amazing Spider-Man, where this level statement is said, hell, you can probably find this doesn't check out in Spider-Verse.
By blitzing him. Again, 2x gap completely accounts for this, he lands like 6 punches all on Carnage's face successively before Carnage can even touch him.
Firstly Rhino drops the fight because he doesn't even plan to fight Spider-Man in that issue
Secondly this fight is wonk as **** since if you'd note the punches, all of them are hyperfocused on his face, which depending on the writer can be 10-B.
I'll explain rq the issue with this vs. Thor, if you're considering hypocrisy n whatnot.
Thor and his rogues gallery had a feat gap of trillions, Thor said a bajillion times he holds back, and did proceed to fuckstomp his opponents.
Spider-Man has a 2x gap, not even unrealistic by human standard, says it in ONE run prominently, Slott's Superior Spider-Man, and honestly all of the statements and feats are just shown against peak human-baseline human opponents (Vulture, Boomerang, Screwball, Scorpion [Who is unarmored along his jaw as shown in the very scan you linked]), and never against actual high tiers, who for the record, absolutely ******* wreck this "non-held back Spider-Man" (see Superior Team-Up)
's just wonk and presumptions.
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He holds back, yeah, but not in the same way someone like Thor does. It also doesn't work in favour of High 8-C+ anyhow :/
Doesn't matter anyways, that's far from related to the point of 8-B Toxin here which is in favour of some users active in this thread
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Didn’t know a 10-b can survive multiple bloodlusted shots from Peter
