The WAAAGH! in Haven (Yang Xiao Long VS Grimgor Ironhide) (GRACE)

[Sergeant_Hypocrite]

Yang Xiao Long (RWBY) VS Grimgor Ironhide (Warhammer Fantasy)

Both are High 8-C (Post-Beacon/Haven Yang and Base Grimgor are used here)

Fight takes place out the front of Haven Academy while it's under attack by Grimgor's WAAAGH!

Speed is equalized

Yang Xiao Long:

Grimgor Ironhide: 8 (Naitodesu, Peppersalt43, Soma King, AbaddonTheDisappointment, Loyd, Spinoirr, Sonicflare9, TheGreatJedi13)

Inconclusive:

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Can grimgor end fight before Yang goes semblance

 

[DaReaperMan]

Grimgor massively upscales from a 2x or so AP advantage and has a yuuuuuuge skill advantage. Let me explain.

Grimgor has crossed blades with just about everyone and their mother in Warhammer Fantasy, most notable skill-wise of which being Malekith and Archaon the Everchosen.

Malekith is superior to Swordmasters of Hoeth who are born and raised to be the greatest swordsmen of Ulthuan and each spend centuries to thousands of years to hone these skills, individually they can slay thousands in melee, while also simultaneously casually deflecting cross bow fire with the same sword, choking an entire river with bodies with little to no effort. Grimgor treated him like a child, and within second Malekith surrendered immediately and instead tried to talk Grimgor out of the fight knowing this wasn't a fight he could win.

Now to first even get to Archaon Grimgor had to go through the best army in the world and Archaon's murder demon-horse thing that murders anything that gets near it besides Archaon. Now this ain't described any more then "they didn't matter" but still. Grimgor apsolutely bullied Archaon in their fight until Archaon decided to amp and utterly AP stomped Grimgor. Pretty much all of Archaon's origins have him fighting armies of other people who could have been the Everchosen, each of which could solo armies without getting a spec of dust on them in terms of skill at least, if not solo armies of people who do the same feat. So yeah Grimgor very likely makes an apsolute joke out of Yang in skill.

Finally, time is REALLY against Yang here, if she doesn't get the kill shot FAST, Grimgor is going to very quickly keep passively amping himself, getting stronger and faster, especially whenever he Waaaghs! which is a substantial spike in power, amongst his other amps.

Now while I will wait for weekly before voting, Yang has her WORK cut out for her here.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

sounds like grimgor has advantage over battle knowledge and ap. not sure how far Yang can upscale if she survives
leaning more on Grimgor for now

 

[Sergeant_Hypocrite]

Bump

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Grimgor massively upscales from a 2x or so AP advantage and has a yuuuuuuge skill advantage. Let me explain.

Grimgor has crossed blades with just about everyone and their mother in Warhammer Fantasy, most notable skill-wise of which being Malekith and Archaon the Everchosen.

Malekith is superior to Swordmasters of Hoeth who are born and raised to be the greatest swordsmen of Ulthuan and each spend centuries to thousands of years to hone these skills, individually they can slay thousands in melee, while also simultaneously casually deflecting cross bow fire with the same sword, choking an entire river with bodies with little to no effort. Grimgor treated him like a child, and within second Malekith surrendered immediately and instead tried to talk Grimgor out of the fight knowing this wasn't a fight he could win.

Now to first even get to Archaon Grimgor had to go through the best army in the world and Archaon's murder demon-horse thing that murders anything that gets near it besides Archaon. Now this ain't described any more then "they didn't matter" but still. Grimgor apsolutely bullied Archaon in their fight until Archaon decided to amp and utterly AP stomped Grimgor. Pretty much all of Archaon's origins have him fighting armies of other people who could have been the Everchosen, each of which could solo armies without getting a spec of dust on them in terms of skill at least, if not solo armies of people who do the same feat. So yeah Grimgor very likely makes an apsolute joke out of Yang in skill.

Finally, time is REALLY against Yang here, if she doesn't get the kill shot FAST, Grimgor is going to very quickly keep passively amping himself, getting stronger and faster, especially whenever he Waaaghs! which is a substantial spike in power, amongst his other amps.

Now while I will wait for weekly before voting, Yang has her WORK cut out for her here.

Okay so just out of curiosity are you sure its actual skill that he displays and not the aforementioned AP amp he has? Because a massive AP and durability advantage woul absolutely invalidate skill if its significant enough and from what im reading on the warhammr wiki Grimgor's victories were all won through overwhelming brute strength, not really skill

 

[DaReaperMan]

Okay so just out of curiosity are you sure its actual skill that he displays and not the aforementioned AP amp he has? Because a massive AP and durability advantage woul absolutely invalidate skill if its significant enough

Malekith would have ran him the hell over if Grimgor wasn't at least decently skilled compared to him, in fact he wouldn't have surrendered within seconds if he could just outskill the hell out of Grimgor.

 

[Loyd]

when you read enough fantasy entries you'll realise every character is hyped/made badass by killing tons of these super dudes like fodder.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Malekith would have ran him the hell over if Grimgor wasn't at least decently skilled compared to him, in fact he wouldn't have surrendered within seconds if he could just outskill the hell out of Grimgor.

Why is that though? Th most skilled martial artist in the world stands no chance against an M1 Abrams tank

Grimgor also lost to Crom who Archaon defeated casually

 

[DaReaperMan]

Why is that though? Th most skilled martial artist in the world stands no chance against an M1 Abrams tank

Grimgor also lost to Crom who Archaon defeated casually

They were straight up comparable in AP at the time.

A>B>C logic isn't exactly the best thing to go forward with, considering Archaon beat Crom who beat Grimgor but Grimgor was pummeling Archaon until the ladder went hulk and AP stomped.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Also from what im reading Malkith outright admitted that Grimgor was too strong for him to beat so rather than waste time fighting him he conceded and told Grimgor about Archaon in the first place

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Like im not disagreeing that Grimgor has higher AP than Yang here im just trying to validate the claims about his skill as im finding information that conflicts with whats being said here

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Like

"The orc was even more monstrous up close, Malekith thought, even as he drew his blade to block a blow from that lethal axe. One eye blazed fiercely from a green, scowling face pitted with scars. The black armour was tarnished and piecemeal, but sturdy, and the orc’s arms bulged with thick knots of muscle. There was a flare of light as their blades met, and Malekith grunted in pain as the force of the blow jarred his arm. The orc was strong; far stronger than he’d assumed. ‘Grimgor is gonna gut ya,’ the orc snarled, spraying spittle all over Malekith. ‘Gonna rip out yer spine and beat ya to death wit’ it. Gonna squish yer heart like it were a squig, and suck it dry!’

-Josh Reynolds, Lord of the End Times, page 135

‘You’ll do nothing except scream, brute,’ the Eternity King hissed. Malekith’s hand snapped out, the clawed tips of his gauntlet sinking into the orc’s arm, eliciting a bellow of pain. The orc rocked and his broad skull slammed into the faceplate of Malekith’s helm, almost buckling it. Nearly jarred from his saddle, and dazed by the blow, Malekith slumped back, releasing his hold on the orc. The creature grinned and hefted his axe for a killing blow, but a sudden undulation from Seraphon as the dragon launched itself back into the air sent the brute tumbling away, back to the street below."

This is their fight is it not?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Like im not disagreeing that Grimgor has higher AP than Yang here im just trying to validate the claims about his skill as im finding information that conflicts with whats being said here

I never said anything about AP, considering we were arguing about skill.

Like

"The orc was even more monstrous up close, Malekith thought, even as he drew his blade to block a blow from that lethal axe. One eye blazed fiercely from a green, scowling face pitted with scars. The black armour was tarnished and piecemeal, but sturdy, and the orc’s arms bulged with thick knots of muscle. There was a flare of light as their blades met, and Malekith grunted in pain as the force of the blow jarred his arm. The orc was strong; far stronger than he’d assumed. ‘Grimgor is gonna gut ya,’ the orc snarled, spraying spittle all over Malekith. ‘Gonna rip out yer spine and beat ya to death wit’ it. Gonna squish yer heart like it were a squig, and suck it dry!’

-Josh Reynolds, Lord of the End Times, page 135

‘You’ll do nothing except scream, brute,’ the Eternity King hissed. Malekith’s hand snapped out, the clawed tips of his gauntlet sinking into the orc’s arm, eliciting a bellow of pain. The orc rocked and his broad skull slammed into the faceplate of Malekith’s helm, almost buckling it. Nearly jarred from his saddle, and dazed by the blow, Malekith slumped back, releasing his hold on the orc. The creature grinned and hefted his axe for a killing blow, but a sudden undulation from Seraphon as the dragon launched itself back into the air sent the brute tumbling away, back to the street below."

This is their fight is it not?

Yes, that doesn't deny that Malekith's own skill feats or Grimgor beating him when both were clearly comparable at the time. Grimgor is a brute force fighter, but one that is about as skilled as a brute force fighter possibly could be.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Yes, that doesn't deny that Malekith's own skill feats or Grimgor beating him when both were clearly comparable at the time. Grimgor is a brute force fighter, but one that is about as skilled as a brute force fighter possibly could be.

What im saying is that in that instance it was a battle of sheer power versus skill, and power won. Mal understimated how strong Grimgor actually was and it nearly kill him, Grim didnt beat him in a battle of skill he just hit him absurdly hard

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Does Grim have any feats of skill beyond scaling to beating skilled opponents that could back up him being that skilled?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Does Grim have any feats of skill beyond scaling to beating skilled opponents that could back up him being that skilled?

He camped a skaven cave full of High 8-Cs for weeks to months and only left when he got tired. Which about everybody and their mother who isn't a literal Mage in Warhammer Fantasy has done at some point.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

He camped a skaven cave full of High 8-Cs for weeks to months and only left when he got tired. Which about everybody and their mother who isn't a literal Mage in Warhammer Fantasy has done at some point.

Could you put that into terms that someone with no knowledge of warhammer might understand lol

 

[Loyd]

Might of let it slide cause of my biases for fantasy but feeln alil sus rn.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Could you put that into terms that someone with no knowledge of warhammer might understand lol

Grimgor camped a hotspot for a race numbering in the millions(very impressive for Warhammer Fantasy) for weeks to at most 2 months and was constantly attacked by High 8-Cs for the entire time he was there and only left because he got tired.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Okay but why is that a skill feat? Thats a damn good stamina feat but skill...

 

[DaReaperMan]

Soloing armies without being touched constantly Which is pretty run-of-the-mill in terms of skill in Fantasy

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Okay but in Grim's case was it actually done through skill or was it done through overwhelming brute force?

 

[DaReaperMan]

I'd like to see someone completely surrounded on all sides brute force their way out of something especially when they are an idiot outside of just fighting like Grimgor.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I'd like to see someone completely surrounded on all sides brute force their way out of something especially when they are an idiot outside of just fighting like Grimgor.

Is that a legitimate request or rhetorical? If its literal i can find hundreds if not thousands of examples of characters from all walks of fiction doing just that, to the point that its literally a trope

 

[DaReaperMan]

Is that a legitimate request or rhetorical? If its literal i can find hundreds if not thousands of examples of characters from all walks of fiction doing just that, to the point that its literally a trope

Rhetorical. Anyways what are Yang's skill feats?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Rhetorical. Anyways what are Yang's skill feats?

Okay, so for starters, Yang has been training in combat since she was a child, her uncle Qrow, one of the most skilled Huntsmen on the planet, personally training her [and Ruby] for basically her entire Huntress career. As a result she became skilled enough to warrant being accepted into Beacon Academy, one of the most prestigious combat schools in the world which specifically trains its students to become master Hunters and Huntresses so they can combat the forces of the Grimm. Here are some examples of fights she has prior to the first season of the show [This is an important point of reference for later]:




Yang regularly takes on hordes of opponent with ease and has fought and defeated dozens of opponents with varying abilities and skillsets, some of which directly counter her fighting style. Her fighting style mixes boxing and kickboxing with acrobatics, complimented by her weapons which allow her to remain constantly mobile at all times.



Of note, the four clips posted so far are Yang before the timeskip, where her fighting style in these fights is described as unrefined. During the timeskip Yang went through a bout of training during her recovery period after losing her arm, during which she refined her fighting style under the tutelage of her father, another professional Huntsman. Her fighting style now does not overuse her Semblance and incorporates more dodges and blocks with her more durable prosthetic arm to avoid taking unnecessary blows, enabling her to use her Semblance more efficiently and run less risk of her exhausting her Aura when she does so. She also learned to adapt her fighting style mid-fight, allowing her to defeat faster and stronger opponents by exploiting potential weaknesses in their abilities and combat techniques. She is also far less hotheaded in combat.




Hope this helps.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Currently leaning toward voting Yang but I still want to know more about Grimgor's Passively amping himself
because I know yang Semblance can really start pumping up her AP with it to knock grimgor for good. but from what I see in Grimgor's profile his amp tends to be a burst of strength and frenzy aside from the other which seems to tie to him winning battles/getting older

 

[Popted2]

Yang FRA

 

[WeeklyBattles]

NGL the fight from the volume 5 character short seems like it would be a close approximation of how this fight would go down

 

[DaReaperMan]

Eh, I'm not 100% equipped to actually debate(as I mostly haven't read much of Grimgor's material outside of a few select stuff) other then just saying Grimgor and Yang seem to be comparable in skill if we don't use him beating Archaon through AP and Skill for a good portion of the fight. If we do include Archaon he slaps in skill.

This is really just asking if Grimgor outpaces in amps enough to pummel Yang into oblivion or Yang manages to stay up long enough to beat Grimgor through things like Semblance.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I mean it wouldnt be the first time Yang went up against someone bigger and stronger than herself, thats kinda her forte as it lets her exploit her semblance to its maximum potential. If he starts hitting harder that just means she'll get powered up faster and since this is post-beacon Yang she knows the limits of her own Aura and knows how to time it so she can get the maximum amount of damage possible out of Burn

 

[DaReaperMan]

Not denying that, but the orcs in the area are going to amp Grimgor constantly without stop, so she needs to nuke him before he nukes her

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Eh? Isnt that considered outside help? Wouldnt that be like having Weiss or Jaune on the sidelines amping Yang?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Eh? Isnt that considered outside help? Wouldnt that be like having Weiss or Jaune on the sidelines amping Yang?

Kind of? It's a side effect of being an Orc in Warhammer Fantasy, a WAAAGH! in the area amps constantly, so being in a waaagh amps Grimgor quite a lot.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

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Outside Influence: None. No characters of either verse, aside from those participating in the battle, may influence the outcome of the battle in any way. That means they may not join the fight, grant buffs, create shields, provide information etc. Exceptions are things like blessings, calling upon some higher entities power for a spell, summoning familiars to battle for them, having another character as equipment or more generally spoken the things which are listed on the profile as part of a characters own powers and abilities.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Standard Battle Assumptions

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Outside Influence: None. No characters of either verse, aside from those participating in the battle, may influence the outcome of the battle in any way. That means they may not join the fight, grant buffs, create shields, provide information etc. Exceptions are things like blessings, calling upon some higher entities power for a spell, summoning familiars to battle for them, having another character as equipment or more generally spoken the things which are listed on the profile as part of a characters own powers and abilities.

Except the Orcs are kind of participating in the battle, either side can use them to an advantage and it's it's setting.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Haven academy while under attack by Waagh.

that could also mean the student will defend against the Waagh or can amp yang

not sure how the Army will last long against Students that is comparable if not equal to Yang

 

[DaReaperMan]

Haven academy while under attack by Waagh.

that could also mean the student will defend against the Waagh or can amp yang

not sure how the Army will last long against Students that is comparable if not equal to Yang

Considering a lot of orcs are High 8-C probably a good while

 

[Loyd]

I don't read the greenskins lore is base grimgor this much of a chump, i refuse to believe yang is greater or comparable to him in skill its actually comical the more i think about it.