1-A JTTW & Abilities CRT

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Again if I am in a room full of cats and I said "all the cats are sick"
It does not mean all the cats on the world are sick, just the ones in this room

Your Context; Again if I am in a room full of cats and I said "all the cats are sick". It does not mean all the cats on the world are sick, just the ones in this room

Authors & Narrators Context; Again if I'm the Narrator at the end of the Novel addressing the Reader and I said Buddhas exist in all worlds. It means Buddha's exists in all worlds.

 

[Tarang123]

Again if I am in a room full of cats and I said "all the cats are sick"
It does not mean all the cats on the world are sick, just the ones in this room
And with proper context, it can mean all the cats in the world.
I dont need to add anything.

And it's the same as always extraordinary high tier requires extraordinary proof.
You claim there is an infinite recursion, but you have yet to show them or at least what I said on my last post above

Nah, I think the evidence, if literal, does refer to an infinite recursion. Worlds writhin worlds would count

 

[PrinceofPein]

Nah, I think the evidence, if literal, does refer to an infinite recursion. Worlds writhin worlds would count

Let me quote out the stuffs for you, at least the major ones I remember, we have
1. Buddha's whole realm is in a grain of sands, a grain of sand the chilocosm holds
2. The dragon palace and worlds as vast as a Ganges sands (this is a song or something)
3. Such are the various Buddhas in all the worlds

Now tell me how this three statements, or maybe I missed one, please tag it
Anyway tell me how this statements or combinations of them even though they are made in different context, tell me how these statements translate to - there are infinite worlds and within each world the grain of sands contains another world and inside that world a single grain of sands also contains a world and inside that ........ till infinity.

So no this is not literal.
And I have not seen something to change my mind about it, which I expressly asked him to provide

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

1. Buddha's whole realm is in a grain of sands, a grain of sand the chilocosm holds

First question, why is Buddha's Realm within a Grain of sand? Well we know Buddha's Realm exists within the Universe, it's stated to be connected to the firmament after all.

And we also know that grains of sand contain universes, which is confirmed in the second line.

So, why would Buddha's Realm, which exists in the universe, be within a grain of sand, right after they mention universes exist in grains of sand? I'll let you piece it together.

2. The dragon palace and worlds as vast as a Ganges sands (this is a song or something)

This is not a song, it is explaining what beings in the permanent reality enjoy.

 

[Antvasima]

I have not see a conclusive evidence that you provided to at least clear this up. You need to provide proof within the context when the statement "all worlds" was made
I know little about the verse, so you need to be able to at least explain to a layman why your argument is right and mine is wrong.
Try and make a single post just detail all the things you think that may go against my notion. And if I find it valid sure I agree, if I don't, I will try and explain what I see there

This seems like a good idea to me.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

This seems like a good idea to me.

The only way a conesus it going to be made is from more staff.

I along with others feel he is asking for evidence that is unnecessary.

It'll be easier to solve this CRT via staff majority considering how long this has gone off.

 

[PrinceofPein]

First question, why is Buddha's Realm within a Grain of sand? Well we know Buddha's Realm exists within the Universe, it's stated to be connected to the firmament after all.

And we also know that grains of sand contain universes, which is confirmed in the second line.

So, why would Buddha's Realm, which exists in the universe, be within a grain of sand, right after they mention universes exist in grains of sand? I'll let you piece it together.

Nice puzzle but, I still don't see anything that seems to mean
there are infinite worlds and within each world the grain of sands contains another world and inside that world a single grain of sands also contains a world and inside that ........ till infinity.

Literally you have no prove, at least not that I can see

 

[Antvasima]

The only way a conesus it going to be made is from more staff.

I along with others feel he is asking for evidence that is unnecessary.

It'll be easier to solve this CRT via staff majority considering how long this has gone off.

If you want more staff members to help out here, you will have to follow Pain_to12's advice anyway, as they will not read four pages of posts to try to make sense of this discussion.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

If you want more staff members to help out here, you will have to follow Pain_to12's advice anyway, as they will not read four pages of posts to try to make sense of this discussion.

I mean, my argument hasnt changed through this entire CRT. It's exactly what is stated on the OP's proposal page or whatever it's called.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Nice puzzle but, I still don't see anything that seems to mean
there are infinite worlds and within each world the grain of sands contains another world and inside that world a single grain of sands also contains a world and inside that ........ till infinity.

Literally you have no prove, at least not that I can see

I already marked you as disagree a while ago, but I'm definitely not going to spend another page arguing about this. You belive this requires more evidence, me and others do not belive it does, there's nothing more to argue about.

 

[Antvasima]

So would somebody knowledgeable be willing to explain the arguments for and against this revision here please?

 

[Greatsage13th]

Bump

 

[Braking]

bump

 

[Greatsage13th]

Bump indeed

 

[Antvasima]

So would somebody knowledgeable be willing to explain the arguments for and against this revision here please?

@Pain_to12 @ActuallySpaceMan

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

1. Buddha's are stated to exist in all worlds, each Buddha has their own realm containing infinite other worlds, which would cause recursion.

2. Grains of sand are stated to contain entire worlds, this should apply to the sands in all worlds as it's never specifically stated to only affect a singular world, which would also cause recursion.

3. It's confirmed that even the world where the Main JTTW Story take's place is within a grain of sand, which hint's that the recursion is real.

4. JTTW's showings of larger things fitting into smaller thing's is stated to be modeled after the Mahayana Cosmology, which is recursive.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you for the reply.

I will wait for Pain_to12 as well.

Also, which staff members have responded here previously?

 

[PrinceofPein]

So would somebody knowledgeable be willing to explain the arguments for and against this revision here please?

Already gave my views above
I dont see enough for the claims been made by the OP
Ultima was also responding
You can tag him maybe he will respond here

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Can you elaborate please? Also, what did Ultima think?

 

[Greatsage13th]

Already gave my views above
I dont see enough for the claims been made by the OP
Ultima was also responding
You can tag him maybe he will respond here

Also, what did Ultima think?

Ultima is very busy as far as we can tell. The standard 2 week period has passed and his argument hasn't changed which is to debunk the cosmology with religion which we didn't allow.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[PrinceofPein]

Okay. Can you elaborate please? Also, what did Ultima think?

Something about The verse following an actual real life religion to the letter.
I had a different reason for disagreeing tho.
Ultima never got to the point where I did

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. So what do you think that we should do here and why?

 

[Greatsage13th]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. So what do you think that we should do here and why?

@Pain_to12

 

[PrinceofPein]

@Pain_to12

If Ultima still wants to reply, but I actually don't see enough to pass 1A.
If you can also get other staff members involved too, that will move things along

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. That only works properly if you write a summary post of what they need to evaluate first though.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Okay. That only works properly if you write a summary post of what they need to evaluate first though.

Pretty sure only pain and Ultima disagreed while everyone else agreed.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Can somebody write a list for which staff members (and Pain_to12) that agreed or disagreed with what here please?

 

[Greatsage13th]

Ahem

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Can somebody write a list for which staff members (and Pain_to12) that agreed or disagreed with what here please?

Anyone?

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Okay. Can somebody write a list for which staff members (and Pain_to12) that agreed or disagreed with what here please?

Disagreed: Pain_to12 & Ultima_Reality

Agreed: Planck69 & Elizhaa

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you. We do not seem to have reached sufficient consensus for a revision here then.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Thank you. We do not seem to have reached sufficient consensus for a revision here then.

Shouldn't there be a time limit for the opposition to reply?

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Shouldn't there be a time limit for the opposition to reply?

I mean even not counting Ultima, we still need 3 to 4 staff to agree.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I could ask some administrators to help out here, but somebody needs to write a sufficiently comprehensive explanation post of each side of the arguments first.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

I could ask some administrators to help out here, but somebody needs to write a sufficiently comprehensive explanation post of each side of the arguments first.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Bump

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

1. Buddha's are stated to exist in all worlds, each Buddha has their own realm containing infinite other worlds, which would cause recursion.

2. Grains of sand are stated to contain entire worlds, this should apply to the sands in all worlds as it's never specifically stated to only affect a singular world, which would also cause recursion.

3. It's confirmed that even the world where the Main JTTW Story take's place is within a grain of sand, which hint's that the recursion is real.

4. JTTW's showings of larger things fitting into smaller thing's is stated to be modeled after the Mahayana Cosmology, which is recursive.

Well, I could ask some administrators to help out here, but somebody needs to write a sufficiently comprehensive explanation post of each side of the arguments first.

I did a while ago.