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Yeah. I will find that for you. But it's backed up by in canon statements which allows him to go all the way up to 1a
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I have disabled Twitter and cannot see if it is the same tweet as I was shown a screencapture of, but in the one I remember, Jenkins said that The Sentry can beat anybody, including the Beyonder, due to being written to potentially be a god.
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It's a slightly different one, but same premise. Albeit in a another tweet he explicitly mentions that these are fun tweets and not to be taken seriously
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Already explained it above
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I already responded to the same style of argument two times. Just because he traversed to one location using coordinates doesn’t mean he’s limited to only traversing through space and time. As shown already with the Source Wall example.
Universe in this context literally means “a particular sphere of activity, interest, or experience.”
The Source Wall encompasses all dimensions while consistently existing outside of time and space. As shown in the scan of Metron traversing there.
Which is supported in my scans. They’re beyond any measure of time and space and transcend the Orrery of Worlds which is defined the entirety of time and space.
They sent Lex to Apokolips which is beyond time and space. Also that isn’t the argument. I simply stated that it’s beyond the dual system created by the Lords of Order and Chaos that upholds and encompasses time and space.
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I thought this statement was referring to the source wall?
This isn't how the Orrery has been explained.
This is true especially asking writers vs battle is basically daft as even Stan Lee talked about this.
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I’m talking about the one referring to New Genesis. It’s the seventh scan in my post.
It can be equated as such via Wonderworld(which orbits the Orrery and is beneath sphere of gods) said to orbiting at the limits of space and time.
Agreed.
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It depends a lot on the context. Simply being present means nothing, especially if we are talking about things like higher-dimensional spaces.
However, for things like reality-fiction differences where a lower level of reality is just some random book, being able to function as a normal human that is able to do normal stuff like lift books, on that higher plane, can be a feat that allows scaling. If that is the case some other being bringing you to that plane can also be seen as power boost.
Don't know the verse and stuff, so I can't say what is the case here.
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It also says the sphere of gods is beyond the concept of space and time and any measure of space and time. It also transcends bleed and orrery of worlds which are stated to be pandimensional.
Also states that skyland is a place that transcends and Olympus is beyond the bounds of space and time
Also states that skyland is a place that transcends and Olympus is beyond the bounds of space and time
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Especially if they’re already supported by the comic
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I do not know how to trace the duality is quite vague the statement that they are higher dimensions is vague by itself we do not even know if the statement is a true difference reality fiction and worse than being a statement twiter I think we should call efficient or deagonex
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Seen, This is why I said sphere of gods can be low 1C while the realms in it can be higher. Tho this can be seen as outlier based on how the forum runs things.
Isn't wonderworld above the Orrery which Contains the 5D bleed-space?
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Okay. That is as I thought then. Thank you.
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If you close this thread now without being done more members are gonna keep doing so unless you guys address it in a good way.
We can't just say ain't gonna get accepted then proceeds to lock the thread then done again by another member after seeing this one wasn't perfectly addressed.
We can't just say ain't gonna get accepted then proceeds to lock the thread then done again by another member after seeing this one wasn't perfectly addressed.
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The issue is that from what I recall, this has been addressed extensively previously, and none of our most knowledgeable members seem to either be available or interested in this topic anymore. As such, you can argue all that you want about this, but it will still not be accepted. My apologies.
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And what's wrong with mixing different writers cosmology?
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So we just keep on seeing the same thread time and time again due to knowledgeable members aren't available or interested again?
Besides I'm sure deagonx would be interested in this thread. Afterall it's normally a deagonx vs xearsay stuff on a norms. Besides firestorm or ultima would give their inputs when available .
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It doesn't change the fact that the scan is too vague and can't be used, if there are other scans from the comic that supports this then it can be used
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What makes you think the scan is too vague? Also keep in mind that even if you reject there being innumerable higher dimensions, it wouldn’t alter any of the scaling for the Godsphere.
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Not so knowledgeable on the cosmology on DC which is why I didn't say anything but if Ant was correct in the scans being from different cosmologies of other writers then yeah, it wouldn't work due to writers sometimes ignoring previous hierarchies and making new ones up as well as changing them over time due to things like retcons and stuff.
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That's the reason for editors has it makes the comics inline with each other.
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Not always, though. We can't assume they always remain the same throughout the decades of different writers and eras.
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But they aren't contradictions and if they are it's very limited.
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The sphere of gods have also been consistently portrayed like this.
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Don't know about that, if there aren't there aren't if there are there are. I'm not interested enough in DC or knowledgeable in cosmologies for this discussion anyway. I'll remain neutral until others point out more stuff.
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Just because writers have the potential to ignore each other when establishing things about the cosmology doesn’t mean we should assume all their work is automatically incompatible with one another.
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We can't also assume they always remember and remain consistent either. It's a case by case basis.
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You aren't understanding at all. He uses dimensional portals to reach the realm of the anti-life entity and to go back to New Genesis. How is he having to insert coordinates to travel not mean the traveling is limited by space. Coordinates are literally points in space
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That would just prove that the realm isn't above all extensions.
Your argument is circular af
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In principle, I'd be fine with the Godsphere being Low 1-A or 1-A if it was defined as something fundamentally superior to a hierarchy of higher-dimensional spaces, instead of just something that could be construed as another layer added ontop of it, which you can certainly argue if you want to say the higher dimensions described by Rama Kushna are all contained inside the Bleed. I don't think I agree, though, considering we have instances like the Nil being described as a higher dimension and Darkseid shooting Orion using a higher-dimensional gun, or Hypertime, which is supposed to be a 3-dimensional analogue of time, being stated to extend beyond realms of the Sphere of the Gods like New Genesis and Apocolyps
Of course, you have things like the Monitor Sphere existing as an archetypal world of the unmanifest, Limbo being the "nowhere" that is left after people "run out of multiverse," and so on, but, given the above, we can probably chalk that up to the writers meshing higher dimensions with more esoteric concepts that, logically speaking, would have to be beyond them anyway. Not much to do here, in this case.
The first scan you used also mentions duality being birthed out of "oneness," which would just be the Overvoid, if we are to try and fit this into the current cosmology, given how Morrison often describes it as the non-dual expanse where all concepts break down and whatnot, and as something more or less equal to the concept of an all-encompassing, panentheistic "God."
Of course, you have things like the Monitor Sphere existing as an archetypal world of the unmanifest, Limbo being the "nowhere" that is left after people "run out of multiverse," and so on, but, given the above, we can probably chalk that up to the writers meshing higher dimensions with more esoteric concepts that, logically speaking, would have to be beyond them anyway. Not much to do here, in this case.
The first scan you used also mentions duality being birthed out of "oneness," which would just be the Overvoid, if we are to try and fit this into the current cosmology, given how Morrison often describes it as the non-dual expanse where all concepts break down and whatnot, and as something more or less equal to the concept of an all-encompassing, panentheistic "God."
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Is this based on the "pan-dimensional" statement?
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Agreed, but there's also a scan where CAS states that time and space increases or something like that, I'll pull it up.
Here, it says that time, space, and even scale itself were different and more profound. Wouldn't make much sense for a character to be at a more "profound" level of time and space and beyond all extentions of it as well.
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