1-A Godsphere

[TypeOU]

Well transduality is the only thing for 1-A here, the rest claps at low 1-C

how? at most you could argue that it's not enough for low 1-A

transcending high 1B is high 1B unless there's more context

by your definition digimon would cap at low 1A

Low 1-A | Low Outerverse level: Characters who can universally affect, create and/or destroy structures and expanses of uncountably infinite dimensions, or which have a size roughly analogous to them, such as uncountably infinite sets of hierarchical layers or planes of existence, most specifically ones whose amount of layers is comparable to the set of all real numbers, and are thus equated to the first uncountably infinite cardinal, ℵ1, for simplicity's sake.

Alternatively, this tier can also be assigned to characters who transcend High 1-B structures when no further context regarding the nature of such transcendence is given.

 

[Sus]

Well transduality is the only thing for 1-A here, the rest claps at low 1-C

which is why it's not 1A... unless there's more arguments

how? at most you could argue that it's not enough for low 1-A

Low 1-A | Low Outerverse level: Characters who can universally affect, create and/or destroy structures and expanses of uncountably infinite dimensions, or which have a size roughly analogous to them, such as uncountably infinite sets of hierarchical layers or planes of existence, most specifically ones whose amount of layers is comparable to the set of all real numbers, and are thus equated to the first uncountably infinite cardinal, ℵ1, for simplicity's sake.

Alternatively, this tier can also be assigned to characters who transcend High 1-B structures when no further context regarding the nature of such transcendence is given.

transcending the hierarchy where no layer added can reach u, exactly what I'm talking about, simply transcending a H1B character is still H1B, transcending a H1B hierarchy is L1A, hope this makes it clear

 

[Sus]

Not how that works. The tiering system literally states that’s Low 1A

see above

 

[Teezar]

Well transduality is the only thing for 1-A here, the rest claps at low 1-C

The innumerable dimensions stuff is 1B also.

how? at most you could argue that it's not enough for low 1-A

Low 1-A | Low Outerverse level: Characters who can universally affect, create and/or destroy structures and expanses of uncountably infinite dimensions, or which have a size roughly analogous to them, such as uncountably infinite sets of hierarchical layers or planes of existence, most specifically ones whose amount of layers is comparable to the set of all real numbers, and are thus equated to the first uncountably infinite cardinal, ℵ1, for simplicity's sake.

Alternatively, this tier can also be assigned to characters who transcend High 1-B structures when no further context regarding the nature of such transcendence is given.

Yo, can you explain Aleph to me in mathematics.

 

[Tarang123]

see above

Transcending High 1B without further context of the nature of the transcendence.

 

[Sus]

The innumerable dimensions stuff is 1B also.

Yo, can you explain Aleph to me in mathematics.

i can explain it to u

 

[Sus]

Transcending High 1B without further context of the nature of the transcendence.

stop taking stuff out of context it literally says transcending high 1B structures

 

[TypeOU]

transcending the hierarchy where no layer added can reach u, exactly what I'm talking about, simply transcending a H1B character is still H1B, transcending a H1B hierarchy is L1A, hope this makes it clear

isn't that closer to H1A description?

 

[TypeOU]

stop taking stuff out of context it literally says transcending high 1B structures

we're talking about transcending a high 1B multiverse here

 

[Sus]

we're talking about transcending a high 1B multiverse here

i know, just saying that simply being above a H1B isn't L1A

isn't that closer to H1A description?

no where near H1A

 

[Lormac_CC]

The innumerable dimensions stuff is 1B also

Has the innumerable dimensions being mentioned before, because using Twitter statement for Higher dimensions isn't really strong, nothing really says if those dimensions are higher spatial dimensions. Authors can say anything on Twitter without being serious on it, if there are evidence in the comic supporting the innumerable dimensions beings higher spatial dimensions, then it should be included

 

[TypeOU]

i know, just saying that simply being above a H1B isn't L1A

no where near H1A

I meant your "simply being transcendant [...]" argument

 

[Lormac_CC]

How did High 1-B get in the discussion

 

[Kyozen]

1. “Metrons chair was said to ride the winds of time and space but can reach Apokolips and New Genesis.”

While Metrons chair is said to ride the winds of time and space, this does not mean that it also doesn’t have the ability to reach the metaphysical planes. As shown Metrons chair has reached places beyond time and space. To conclude that Apokolips and New Genesis must be a part of time and space because Metron can reach it, is implying that Metrons chair can only ride the winds of time and space. Which is not what's stated.

The Mobius Chair's form of travel has been shown
He needs to use coordinates (which are points in space) to travel place to place, that's how he reached the dimension where the anti-life entity resides
He goes back to New Genesis with a dimensional portal and only escapes because the Anti-Life entity got caught in a dimensional layer
Not to mention the last scan is saying back to his universe, universe means a totality of space.

And just to further prove my point, Metron has reached places beyond time and space before, with his mobius chair.

The Source wall exists in the dimensional levels of DC. Beyond time and space is Low 1-C being above every possible extension of it is 1-A, so simply saying it's beyond time and space wouldn't contradict that the Mobius chair can only travel through dimensions of space. They can be beyond time and space but still be bound by higher extensions of it, like how Low 1-Cs are...well not 1-A despite them transcending time and space

1. “Darkseids omega beams teleport people through time and space. With this in mind Darkseids omega beams have sent people to Apokolips.”

This is the same type of argument as the one involving Metrons chair. While it does state Darkseids omega beams teleport people through time and space, that doesn’t mean Darkseids omega beams also don’t have the ability to reach places beyond time and space. To conclude that Apokolips is a part of time and space because Darkseids omega beams can teleport someone there, is implying that Darkseids omega beams can only teleport people through time and space. Which is not what's stated.

"that doesn’t mean Darkseids omega beams also don’t have the ability to reach places beyond time and space" you have 0 evidence it can send to places beyond time and space. And this scan is just to prove the realm isn't above all extensions of time and space.

Also it is only stated that they teleport through time and space.

1. “Boomtubes were called extra dimensional once.”

Extra-dimensional simply means originating from outside of the physical universe. Something can originate from outside of the physical universe and still exist outside of space and time.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/extradimensional

Your link quite literally says "a dimension outside of space and time. Which goes against the notion that they're above every dimension in the verse which is the main argument for 1-A godsphere

 

[Sus]

I meant your "simply being transcendant [...]" argument

oh, wasn't an argument

 

[Kyozen]

Also quick question. What's the current dimensionality for the godsphere? I might upgrade it if it's lower than 6d

 

[Teezar]

Has the innumerable dimensions being mentioned before, because using Twitter statement for Higher dimensions isn't really strong, nothing really says if those dimensions are higher spatial dimensions. Authors can say anything on Twitter without being serious on it, if there are evidence in the comic supporting the innumerable dimensions beings higher spatial dimensions, then it should be included

The author gave his intentions on what he meant in his book and no contradictions.

being above every possible extension of it is 1-A

Being above any measures if it is 1A?

Your link quite literally says "a dimension outside of space and time. Which goes against the notion that they're above every dimension in the verse which is the main argument for 1-A godsphere

I don't think he said the Sphere of gods Is above every dimension in the verse and I'm sure xearsay knows this too.

Also quick question. What's the current dimensionality for the godsphere? I might upgrade it if it's lower than 6d

...........

 

[Kyozen]

Being above any measures if it is 1A?

Proving a realm is above every possible dimensional extensions is a way to prove 1-A without having Infinite dimensions.

 

[Lormac_CC]

The author gave his intentions on what he meant in his book and no contradictions.

Same author said Sentry could beat the beyonder, seriously Twitter statements shouldn't even be accepted

 

[Antvasima]

Under the current cosmology structure, yes, you would.

I don't personally like it myself, but it's what it is

Really? That is news to me. I thought that we have rules against scaling characters from merely being present in a certain degree of reality.

Can you clarify please, @Ultima_Reality and @DontTalkDT ?

 

[Antvasima]

Same author said Sentry could beat the beyonder, seriously Twitter statements shouldn't even be accepted

Agreed.

 

[Kyozen]

We would have things like "26d Alien X" if we accepted author statements or "High 1-B DC universes"

 

[Antvasima]

Anyway, given that this discussion seems too spammy to keep track of, has serious problems with receiving input from knowledgeable members, and it is extremely unlikely that it will be accepted, given that I recall that we have talked about and rejected this suggestion several times before, is it fine if I close this thread?

 

[Antvasima]

Also, as far as I recall, transduality is a leftover from our old tiering system that does not fit with the new one, and will hopefully get significantly revised soon.

 

[Kyozen]

Anyway, given that this discussion seems too spammy to keep track of, has serious problems with receiving input from knowledgeable members, and it is extremely unlikely that it will be accepted, given that I recall that we have talked about and rejected this suggestion several times before, is it fine if I close this thread?

I'm ok with it

 

[Confluctor]

Really? That is news to me

I think so when it comes to current standards of DC

 

[Antvasima]

Hmm. I remember that we at least used to have rules against that sort of scaling. I hope that it has not been removed.

 

[Tarang123]

Proving a realm is above every possible dimensional extensions is a way to prove 1-A without having Infinite dimensions.

Technically, transcending every possible extension of dimensionality is High 1A

 

[Sus]

Technically, transcending every possible extension of dimensionality is High 1A

no it's just baseline 1A

 

[Tarang123]

Also, as far as I recall, transduality is a leftover from our old tiering system that does not fit with the new one, and will hopefully get significantly revised soon.

I think transduality should stay, but that it shouldn’t have 1A without more scrutiny.

 

[Tarang123]

no it's just baseline 1A

Not really, you have mathematical dimensions which extend to alephs and shit

 

[Sus]

Not really, you have mathematical dimensions which extend to alephs and shit

can be extended to the set theory, thus, by your definition, surpassing all possible extensions of dimensions is beyond set theory

 

[Tarang123]

can be extended to the set theory, thus, by your definition, surpassing all possible extensions of dimensions is beyond set theory

??????? Can you word that a little better? 1A is above all spatial-temporal dimensionality, High 1A is above all mathematical dimensions. 0 is above everything else.

 

[Orioreeem]

can be extended to the set theory, thus, by your definition, surpassing all possible extensions of dimensions is beyond set theory

Isn't Mathiaverse above all that?

 

[Bernkastelll]

Isn't Mathiaverse above all that?

Please, stay in the topic of the thread

 

[Sus]

??????? Can you word that a little better? 1A is above all spatial-temporal dimensionality, High 1A is above all mathematical dimensions. 0 is above everything else.

eh, no
1A is basically an aleph amount of dimensions
high 1A is an inaccessible cardinal amount of dimensions
0 is mahloo amount of dimensions

there's still many cardinals above that, tier 0 isn't above everything and this isn't the place to explain it

 

[Tarang123]

eh, no
1A is basically an aleph amount of dimensions
high 1A is an inaccessible cardinal amount of dimensions
0 is mahloo amount of dimensions

there's still many cardinals above that, tier 0 isn't above everything and this isn't the place to explain it

I was just generalizing tier 0. I know that it’s not above everything

 

[Sus]

I was just generalizing tier 0. I know that it’s not above everything

good

back to the topic, i still don't think this is 1A

 

[Teezar]

Same author said Sentry could beat the beyonder, seriously Twitter statements shouldn't even be accepted

Paul Jenkins said that? Can I see scans.

Agreed.

I don't remember Paul Jenkins stating that, do you have scans

Technically, transcending every possible extension of dimensionality is High 1A

1A.

 

[Antvasima]

I did not save the screencaptured Beyonder-Sentry image, but remember being shown that previously.