(0-2-0) Dimentio VS One: Dimension One

[Poketmonsrs]

maybe the Chaos Heart appears in the room the user died in.

But Dimentio didn’t die in the Wedding Dimension™, he died in Castle Bleck, and Count Bleck didn’t die, he was only defeated by Mario, Peach, Bowser and Luigi.

Also something I noticed, when Count Bleck is defeated, the Chaos Heart doesn’t teleport, this could be explained with Count Bleck still being alive and not dead, unlike Super Dimentio who is dead when the Chaos Heart gets spit out and teleported. But this may also be explained with Dimentio taking the Chaos Heart’s powers before it gets the chance to teleport, or him using a “shadow of his power” to keep it there long enough for him to control it which seems to be what the Mario Wiki says

 

[Psychomaster35]

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[Poketmonsrs]

If I understood correctly, Super Dimentio begins with his hand slam, tanks a couple of One’s lasers and then he would gloat about not taking damage and then have the Void speed up the destruction of all worlds, with One then needing to deal with the Void.

How would One deal with the Void? Would she ignore it, not thinking it to be worth her time/not strong enough to harm her? Would she realize the severity and hide in her pocket dimension? Would One then try to absorb the Chaos Heart/Super Dimentio’s powers? If so, how would it go? Would it fail due to the Chaos Heart’s power being too much for One’s power absorb? Would she die from the Chaos Heart’s prerequisite for use? Would she even try stare power absorb (cuz it doesn’t seem to work on people) and instead try the physical power absorb, which would probably give Super Dimentio enough time to slam her? Would she try to time bfr Super Dimentio? Or just bfr him into her pocket dimension? (Sorry if I’m asking too many questions)

 

[Poketmonsrs]

Similar to One's pocket reality, Dimension D seems to be unthreatened by cosmic collapse, albeit this isn't confirmed and could've been a result of Dimentio excluding Dimension D from being a target of the Void somehow. If Dimension D really is a location outside of the Void's influence, that means Super Dimentio's range is enough to have access to all of time and he could find a way back to One in the present. This situation is a little ambiguous, so I'd like see what other people think of it.

Going back to this (since no one else is)

Dimension D is a pocket dimension that Dimentio made. During the story, Dimension D has never been affected by the Void, no other dimension does this other than Outer Space and The Underwhere, but Outer Space does get the Void after entering the Sammer Kingdom and The Overthere, which seems to be in the same dimension as The Underwhere (as there is no Heart Pillar for The Overthere, and seemingly the only way in is via Overwhere Stair/Underwhere Road) has the Void in the sky. The last time we see Dimension D before Dimentio becomes Super Dimentio is in Chapter 5-4 in the Floro Caverns, and the Void is nowhere to be found. Count Bleck has no reason to exclude Dimension D from the Void’s influence and even states that the Void cannot be stopped. Considering the next chapter has the Sammer Kingdom, which is destroyed by the Void, I also doubt that the Void would be small enough to be unnoticeable. So I say that Dimension D is outside the Void’s influence

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

But Dimentio didn’t die in the Wedding Dimension™, he died in Castle Bleck, and Count Bleck didn’t die, he was only defeated by Mario, Peach, Bowser and Luigi.

I was referring to when it appeared in Castle Bleck immediately after Super Dimentio's defeat.

If I understood correctly, Super Dimentio begins with his hand slam, tanks a couple of One’s lasers and then he would gloat about not taking damage and then have the Void speed up the destruction of all worlds, with One then needing to deal with the Void.

How would One deal with the Void? Would she ignore it, not thinking it to be worth her time/not strong enough to harm her? Would she realize the severity and hide in her pocket dimension? Would One then try to absorb the Chaos Heart/Super Dimentio’s powers? If so, how would it go? Would it fail due to the Chaos Heart’s power being too much for One’s power absorb? Would she die from the Chaos Heart’s prerequisite for use? Would she even try stare power absorb (cuz it doesn’t seem to work on people) and instead try the physical power absorb, which would probably give Super Dimentio enough time to slam her? Would she try to time bfr Super Dimentio? Or just bfr him into her pocket dimension? (Sorry if I’m asking too many questions)

Going back to this (since no one else is)

Dimension D is a pocket dimension that Dimentio made. During the story, Dimension D has never been affected by the Void, no other dimension does this other than Outer Space and The Underwhere, but Outer Space does get the Void after entering the Sammer Kingdom and The Overthere, which seems to be in the same dimension as The Underwhere (as there is no Heart Pillar for The Overthere, and seemingly the only way in is via Overwhere Stair/Underwhere Road) has the Void in the sky. The last time we see Dimension D before Dimentio becomes Super Dimentio is in Chapter 5-4 in the Floro Caverns, and the Void is nowhere to be found. Count Bleck has no reason to exclude Dimension D from the Void’s influence and even states that the Void cannot be stopped. Considering the next chapter has the Sammer Kingdom, which is destroyed by the Void, I also doubt that the Void would be small enough to be unnoticeable. So I say that Dimension D is outside the Void’s influence

You're understanding correctly, and I've been meaning to get back to discussing the Void conflict. Thanks for the segue.

The only feasible way I can see One circumventing the Void is by hiding in her pocket reality, if that would work. Like I wrote before, I'm pretty sure One could get back to the new multiverse Super Dimentio would create, because Super Dimentio would use the same space as the previous multiverse and One has dimensional travel to be able to simply go back to the space she came from. And the pocket reality is acausal, unaffected by the BFDI timeline changing and being on the verge of collapsing, so I wouldn't be surprised if this is a viable method for One to survive.

If One's pocket reality isn't exempt from infinite multiversal destruction in the same way Dimension D is, then I see nothing One can do to win. Even if we assume Super Dimentio doesn't know the way back to the present after One send him back in time, this wouldn't stop the Void. The Void is a separate entity from Super Dimentio, exists across all universes, can destroy all possibilities, and will continue existing as long as Super Dimentio is still alive. If we assume One succeeds at killing Super Dimentio somehow, he was still shown to be able to control the Chaos Heart using a shadow of his power, and still could've destroyed all worlds anyway, meaning One technically didn't stop Super Dimentio from being able to intentionally fight back. One could probably absorb "a shadow" of Dimentio's power, but she wouldn't know this is the reason the Chaos Heart is still functional, and since One is power-hungry, she would most likely be more focused on trying to absorb the infinite 4-D power of the Chaos Heart, to no avail. I'll assume One would recognize the Chaos Heart itself as a powerful object, since it just gives that vibe. (It floats, it's shiny and it produces heart particles.)

As for whether or not One would recognize the severity at all, I think she would. Even after obtaining the power of a Yoylelite, she deemed herself as "safe here" in her pocket reality rather than a result of her own power, when the BFDI timeline was about to collapse. Although she is high on power right now, having both Four and Two's "omnipotent" and "limitless" respective powers in addition to the Yoylelite's power, I think we shouldn't assume she would try tanking an interdimensional collapse when we're never seen her try tanking an attack for any reason and we've only ever seen her be careful enough to hide in a safe space when an interdimensional collapse did present itself to her. In battleboarding, we've gotta work with what we know, y'know?

I agree with your analysis on whether or not Dimension D is truly exempt from the Void by the way.

 

[Poketmonsrs]

The only feasible way I can see One circumventing the Void is by hiding in her pocket reality, if that would work. Like I wrote before, I'm pretty sure One could get back to the new multiverse Super Dimentio would create, because Super Dimentio would use the same space as the previous multiverse and One has dimensional travel to be able to simply go back to the space she came from. And the pocket reality is acausal, unaffected by the BFDI timeline changing and being on the verge of collapsing, so I wouldn't be surprised if this is a viable method for One to survive.

So now that they are in Dimentio’s new multiverse, what now? Does he just restart the Void whenever he finds One? Will he take One into Dimension D to torture (like he seemed to be planning with Tippi, Count Bleck and Nastasia) her? Does Dimentio actually start using his powers outside his base form? Is Dimentio’s new multiverse so hostile that it can kill One? (I say as we probably have no god damn clue)

Also do the platforms Super Dimentio brings to life have anything to do in this match? Like would something similar happen to the stars? Or would it be the same platforms as they seem to appear alongside Chaos Heart users

If One's pocket reality isn't exempt from infinite multiversal destruction in the same way Dimension D is, then I see nothing One can do to win.

Would this then be considered a stomp?

One is power-hungry, she would most likely be more focused on trying to absorb the infinite 4-D power of the Chaos Heart, to no avail.

Sorry for repeating this multiple times but would the Chaos Heart’s prerequisites of use have a say in this?


With what’s currently said, I’ll be voting Dimentio FRA until TPoT 20

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

So now that they are in Dimentio’s new multiverse, what now? Does he just restart the Void whenever he finds One? Will he take One into Dimension D to torture (like he seemed to be planning with Tippi, Count Bleck and Nastasia) her? Does Dimentio actually start using his powers outside his base form? Is Dimentio’s new multiverse so hostile that it can kill One? (I say as we probably have no god damn clue)

I'm not sure. At that point, Super Dimentio would be the king of all worlds, but what that entails exactly is unknown, and we don't know how the new multiverse would be different from the old one other than that it is "perfect" in Dimentio's perspective.

I don't think Dimentio would activate the Void a second time though, since he wouldn't want to ruin his "perfect" new multiverse.

Also do the platforms Super Dimentio brings to life have anything to do in this match? Like would something similar happen to the stars? Or would it be the same platforms as they seem to appear alongside Chaos Heart users

The platforms coming to life is specific to Super Dimentio, and they were the platforms that were regularly used in Count Bleck's headquarters, so I don't think the platforms have a place in this battle when it takes place in outer space.

Would this then be considered a stomp?

If you think One's pocket reality would get affected by the Void, then yes, the match is probably a stomp. I think One's pocket reality has a good shot at resisting the Void though, so I won't be treating the match as a stomp unless someone can thoroughly prove there isn't a decent likelihood that One can have acausal protection from the Void.

Sorry for repeating this multiple times but would the Chaos Heart’s prerequisites of use have a say in this?

I'm not sure what would make a perfect host for the Chaos Heart, but either way, when taking the power scaling viewpoint, One hasn't proven she could handle infinite 4-D energy, so even if we assume she'd be a perfect host in terms of something like her personality or motivation, that wouldn't really prove she could absorb the Chaos Heart's full power.

 

[Poketmonsrs]

The only feasible way I can see One circumventing the Void is by hiding in her pocket reality, if that would work. Like I wrote before, I'm pretty sure One could get back to the new multiverse Super Dimentio would create, because Super Dimentio would use the same space as the previous multiverse and One has dimensional travel to be able to simply go back to the space she came from. And the pocket reality is acausal, unaffected by the BFDI timeline changing and being on the verge of collapsing, so I wouldn't be surprised if this is a viable method for One to survive.

How long would One hide in her pocket dimension? Would she hide until the Void fiasco was done and everything was gone? Would she prematurely leave for a different dimension and then get blind struck by the Void (unlikely)? Would she watch Super Dimentio as he recreates the multiverse? Would she hide until the multiverse seemed to be remade?


At what point would Super Dimentio start using his base hax? In the first half of his boss fight where he’s invincible, he uses physical attacks rather than his hax (except for when he birthed Luigies, which I would argue is some sort of hax, and the ability to fly but he still uses them to physically attack), this could be because 1. He wants to play around with Mario, Peach and Bowser 2. Being in a new body and unable to fully utilize his hax and/or 3. Just wanting to waste time to let the Void grow. But when his invincibility is removed, he still uses physical attacks, probably because of 2. or shock at the Pure Hearts being back. But right before he becomes vincible the Pure Hearts remove his invulnerability, Super Dimentio was about to end the fight with something, considering the lack of fists and platforms ready to shoot, I would assume this to be some sort of hax. But because Tippi brought the Pure Hearts, I don’t think I can really argue much.

With what’s currently said, I’ll be voting Dimentio FRA until TPoT 20

(Also damn my vote ain’t counted)

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

How long would One hide in her pocket dimension? Would she hide until the Void fiasco was done and everything was gone? Would she prematurely leave for a different dimension and then get blind struck by the Void (unlikely)? Would she watch Super Dimentio as he recreates the multiverse? Would she hide until the multiverse seemed to be remade?

One can clairvoyantly see the main setting from her pocket reality, but she wouldn't know that Super Dimentio would create a new multiverse, so I guess she would just wait until she gets bored. We don't know where Super Dimentio is while the multiverse is destroyed and we don't know how long it would take to be rebuilt, so this is a tricky question to answer.

At what point would Super Dimentio start using his base hax? In the first half of his boss fight where he’s invincible, he uses physical attacks rather than his hax (except for when he birthed Luigies, which I would argue is some sort of hax, and the ability to fly but he still uses them to physically attack), this could be because 1. He wants to play around with Mario, Peach and Bowser 2. Being in a new body and unable to fully utilize his hax and/or 3. Just wanting to waste time to let the Void grow. But when his invincibility is removed, he still uses physical attacks, probably because of 2. or shock at the Pure Hearts being back. But right before he becomes the Pure Hearts remove his invulnerability, Super Dimentio was about to end the fight with something, considering the lack of fists and platforms ready to shoot, I would assume this to be some sort of hax. But because Tippi brought the Pure Hearts, I don’t think I can really argue much.

My guess about canon is: Super Dimentio was toying with the heroes while he was invincible, he was about to one-shot the heroes after some time, but when the Pure Hearts removed his invincibility, he was surprised, and then the Pure Hearts gave the heroes power, which probably either included resistances to Dimentio's hax or Dimentio can't use hax on opponents at this level of power.

My guess about this versus battle is: Super Dimentio would toy with One in the same way he did to the Super Paper Mario heroes, and then he will get serious and try finishing the battle quickly by the time he had decided to do that in his canon battle.

 

[Poketmonsrs]

My guess about this versus battle is: Super Dimentio would toy with One in the same way he did to the Super Paper Mario heroes, and then he will get serious and try finishing the battle quickly by the time he had decided to do that in his canon battle.

(I wonder how long the Super Dimentio fight is canonically)
Would Super Dimentio’s finishing move… actually finish One off? Considering the scene, I’d say that it was pretty much a guarantee for it to kill Mario, Peach and Bowser, and considering Super Dimentio’s infinitely higher AP it would probably kill One if she got hit…. but would it hit? One is used to flying, hiding and teleporting so I wouldn’t be surprised if she could dodge it

If this wasn't enough, she also has the ability to send people back in time which is something Dimentio doesn't really have any counter to.

so with One being able and willing to fly, it should be no problem for her to fly out of Super Dimentio's melee range and intercept the attack with a temporal BFR laser.

Ignoring the “Dimension D is acasual”, would Super Dimentio even be affected by the time BFR laser? He does resist Time Manipulation via Time Stop “Time Stop (Stop Watch's effects always will fail to have him stopped in time)”. Or is Time Stop different enough from the forced Time Travel beam for Super Dimentio to be affected (Could she use the Yoyolites powers alongside Two and Fours for an extra strong time BFR beam?)

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

(I wonder how long the Super Dimentio fight is canonically)
Would Super Dimentio’s finishing move… actually finish One off? Considering the scene, I’d say that it was pretty much a guarantee for it to kill Mario, Peach and Bowser, and considering Super Dimentio’s infinitely higher AP it would probably kill One if she got hit…. but would it hit? One is used to flying, hiding and teleporting so I wouldn’t be surprised if she could dodge it

Although we don't know the exact move it would be, I think it would be the one where Dimentio traps the target in a square and then causes explosions in the square, since he's canonically killed the heroes before using that move in the previous chapter. This move seems to be what he'd use to try finishing off a battle. It could catch One by surprise at a long range and prevent her from dodging.

Ignoring the “Dimension D is acasual”, would Super Dimentio even be affected by the time BFR laser? He does resist Time Manipulation via Time Stop “Time Stop (Stop Watch's effects always will fail to have him stopped in time)”. Or is Time Stop different enough from the forced Time Travel beam for Super Dimentio to be affected (Could she use the Yoyolites powers alongside Two and Fours for an extra strong time BFR beam?)

I think it would be effective. A time stop ability involves stopping a target, so Super Dimentio is unaffected by getting stopped in that way, but temporal BFR involves moving a target, so it's different. Maybe Super Dimentio resists time-related abilities in general, but his profile on the VS Battles Wiki doesn't write this, so we can't use this interpretation in a versus thread.

 

[Poketmonsrs]

Although we don't know the exact move it would be, I think it would be the one where Dimentio traps the target in a square and then causes explosions in the square, since he's canonically killed the heroes before using that move in the previous chapter. This move seems to be what he'd use to try finishing off a battle. It could catch One by surprise at a long range and prevent her from dodging.

1. Technically Dimentio didn’t kill the heroes, he only sent them to The Underwhere/The Overthere, but I do agree that, considering his consistent use of that attack for guarantee “kills”, that it is most likely an explosion, but may also only be an explosion rather than the box explosion (since there’s no box surrounding the heroes)
2. Couldn’t One quickly teleport back into her pocket dimension if it is the box explosion?

I think it would be effective. A time stop ability involves stopping a target, so Super Dimentio is unaffected by getting stopped in that way, but temporal BFR involves moving a target, so it's different. Maybe Super Dimentio resists time-related abilities in general, but his profile on the VS Battles Wiki doesn't write this, so we can't use this interpretation in a versus thread.

Damn, good thing Dimension D is acasual

 

[Psychomaster35]

My guess about canon is: Super Dimentio was toying with the heroes while he was invincible, he was about to one-shot the heroes after some time, but when the Pure Hearts removed his invincibility, he was surprised, and then the Pure Hearts gave the heroes power, which probably either included resistances to Dimentio's hax or Dimentio can't use hax on opponents at this level of power.

At what point would Super Dimentio start using his base hax?

Nothing was ever implying that Dimentio was toying around with Mario and the gang. Even after his forcefield got nulled by the Pure Hearts, he still chose to continue his usual strategy pre-forcefield removal, which is not using much of his base abilities and instead relying on the abilities he gaines in his Super form.

2. Couldn’t One quickly teleport back into her pocket dimension if it is the box explosion?

For Dimentio to do that he would have to create a box over One first which takes time, unlike One's teleportation which activates instantly.

 

[Arency]

...Super Dimentio resists EE.

Well the thing is, it's EE history aspect which bypass regular EE resistance so...

 

[Psychomaster35]

Well the thing is, it's EE history aspect which bypass regular EE resistance so...

Wait, it can do that? I thought they would resist any type of Existence Erasure on their dimensional level as long as they have a resistance to even regular Existence Erasure.

 

[Arency]

Wait, it can do that? I thought they would resist any type of Existence Erasure on their dimensional level as long as they have a resistance to even regular Existence Erasure.

Yeah, you can check the countless vs thread involving some DB characters as EE History (or others aspects) was mainly involved : here, here, here, here, here ect... Seem like the basis for everyone so...

 

[Poketmonsrs]

Nothing was ever implying that Dimentio was toying around with Mario and the gang.

I’d say this counts as an implication. He also states that they would die first before the worlds, despite Flopside, Yold Town and the Land of the Cragnons being engulfed by the Void as he prepares the heroes’ death, so it seems to be a quick death

Well the thing is, it's EE history aspect which bypass regular EE resistance so...

(Guess I revoke my vote)

When would One use EE? We know One has used it on others (Gaty, Barf Bag and Basket Ball), but she's only used it on people on her list, and threatened Donut about erasing people specifically on that list. It also seems to take some time, as each time she’s used it, she needed some time with the tornado? swirling around her. She believes Two’s powers to be superior to her own, and also likely the Yoyolite’s powers, so wouldn’t she use Two and Four’s powers rather than her own/the Yoyolite’s? Would she even think to use it before the Void becomes a problem? Or would she not use it to try and get the power of the Chaos Heart rather than get rid of it.

Speaking of the Void/Chaos Heart

What would happen to the Void if Super Dimentio is EE’d? The Void needs the Chaos Heart and the host to be alive/have a “shadow of power” controlling it. Would One’s EE destroy the Chaos Heart and Luigi, just Dimentio or all 3? Does One’s EE also erase everything Dimentio caused? Like the floro sprout inside Luigi, or freeing Count Bleck, Tippi and Nastasia from Dimension D. Two and Six remember Gaty and Barf Bag respectively, despite them not being there when One gave everyone back the memories of the original timeline, so either One was bluffing to Donut about them only remembering due to the Yoyolite, algebraliens can just remember existence erased people, or One gave Two and Six their memories back when we weren’t looking.

 

[Psychomaster35]

I’d say this counts as an implication. He also states that they would die first before the worlds, despite Flopside, Yold Town and the Land of the Cragnons being engulfed by the Void as he prepares the heroes’ death, so it seems to be a quick death

But that doesn't really explain why he does the same moves from his pre-forcefield removal state. You'd think that he would immediately lead with his deadlier/haxier moves since his forcefield his gone, yet he doesn't.

When would One use EE? We know One has used it on others (Gaty, Barf Bag and Basket Ball), but she's only used it on people on her list, and threatened Donut about erasing people specifically on that list. It also seems to take some time, as each time she’s used it, she needed some time with the tornado? swirling around her. She believes Two’s powers to be superior to her own, and also likely the Yoyolite’s powers, so wouldn’t she use Two and Four’s powers rather than her own/the Yoyolite’s? Would she even think to use it before the Void becomes a problem? Or would she not use it to try and get the power of the Chaos Heart rather than get rid of it.

This is just a common misconception I have pointed out before. One does not need contracts to erase people from existence as she literally used that ability to erase the cage containing the Yoylite as well as a random alien from an Orion Nebula planet, neither of those times ever had her require a contract deal to erase, especially given how the latter is literally a living being. As for when she's going to use it? This was literally of the many abilities she used first when first starting her genocide across space.

What would happen to the Void if Super Dimentio is EE’d? The Void needs the Chaos Heart and the host to be alive/have a “shadow of power” controlling it. Would One’s EE destroy the Chaos Heart and Luigi, just Dimentio or all 3? Does One’s EE also erase everything Dimentio caused? Like the floro sprout inside Luigi, or freeing Count Bleck, Tippi and Nastasia from Dimension D. Two and Six remember Gaty and Barf Bag respectively, despite them not being there when One gave everyone back the memories of the original timeline, so either One was bluffing to Donut about them only remembering due to the Yoyolite, algebraliens can just remember existence erased people, or One gave Two and Six their memories back when we weren’t looking.

From what I remember given how it's been a hot minute since I've played Super Paper Mario, Base Dimentio does not resist existence erasure, so if Dimentio gets erased, he's literally erased from all of history which would mean that there would be no shadow of himself to continue controlling the Chaos Heart. As for the void, the Chaos Heart is just left there for One to control.

 

[Poketmonsrs]

But that doesn't really explain why he does the same moves from his pre-forcefield removal state. You'd think that he would immediately lead with his deadlier/haxier moves since his forcefield his gone, yet he doesn't.

Super Dimentio technically doesn’t have invulnerability/forcefield, instead just having 2-A dura (which was argued and eventually agreed upon in this thread), which is the reason why none of the heroes could hurt Super Dimentio and why it was removed from the profile. It could be argued that Dimentio knew that the heroes 2-A dura would be higher than his hax’s ap or he could have just been mentally stun locked by being hurt, and/or the fact that the Pure Hearts came back. Other than that… yeah not fully sure why he doesn’t. PIS be damned!

This is just a common misconception I have pointed out before. One does not need contracts to erase people from existence as she literally used that ability to erase the cage containing the Yoylite as well as a random alien from an Orion Nebula planet, neither of those times ever had her require a contract deal to erase, especially given how the latter is literally a living being. As for when she's going to use it? This was literally of the many abilities she used first when first starting her genocide across space.

Is that really EE for the alien? It seems to be more like transfiguration into some sort of energy ball rather than EE. It also seems to be Two’s powers rather than the Yoyolite’s, as the energy is green and it lacks the tornado effect used for EE of the contestants (though that may be because the alien isn’t a contestant and just doesn’t matter enough (if so, then why did One charge up her EE when threatening Donut? Just to be a drama queen?)) and I don’t see EE outside of Budget Cuts. Also while the cage is erased, the consequences (the flashing lights and blaring sirens from touching the cage) are still here, so I don’t think it’s History EE. Also wasn’t that before One got History EE via Yoyolite?

From what I remember given how it's been a hot minute since I've played Super Paper Mario, Base Dimentio does not resist existence erasure, so if Dimentio gets erased, he's literally erased from all of history which would mean that there would be no shadow of himself to continue controlling the Chaos Heart. As for the void, the Chaos Heart is just left there for One to control.

1. Wouldn’t Luigi still be in control of the Chaos Heart? Would One then just EE Luigi? Or is Luigi EE’d along with Dimentio? If so, why is the Chaos Heart not EE’d?
2. If Dimentio is erased from history, wouldn’t the Chaos Heart be destroyed/purified by Tippi and Count Bleck, or the heroes because they go uninterrupted by Dimentio? Even if it isn’t, wouldn’t it disappear alongside its host? As the Chaos Heart will disappear if there is no one to control it (or teleport to Bleck’s wedding dimension)
3. If the Chaos Heart is just left there for One to control, would she even be a good enough host to not die from it?

Also shouldn’t we probably wait until TPoT 20 to come out and CRT’d before we continue this match?

 

[Psychomaster35]

Real talkative for a rookie user, huh...

Is that really EE for the alien? It seems to be more like transfiguration into some sort of energy ball rather than EE. It also seems to be Two’s powers rather than the Yoyolite’s, as the energy is green and it lacks the tornado effect used for EE of the contestants (though that may be because the alien isn’t a contestant and just doesn’t matter enough (if so, then why did One charge up her EE when threatening Donut? Just to be a drama queen?)) and I don’t see EE outside of Budget Cuts. Also while the cage is erased, the consequences (the flashing lights and blaring sirens from touching the cage) are still here, so I don’t think it’s History EE. Also wasn’t that before One got History EE via Yoyolite?

Neither Two nor Four have been shown, let alone have any evidence, of having existence erasure in base form, an ability we've seen only One do. And before you ask: No, budget cuts don't count as that requires hosting rights where at the time Four lost his powers, he wasn't hosting TPOT. As for the effect, it's moreso exactly what it is with there being no evidence of it actually showing up while she's doing it. Could've been an animation error as to why it's different all the time.

1. Wouldn’t Luigi still be in control of the Chaos Heart? Would One then just EE Luigi? Or is Luigi EE’d along with Dimentio? If so, why is the Chaos Heart not EE’d?

Luigi doesn't resist Existence Erasure either

2. If Dimentio is erased from history, wouldn’t the Chaos Heart be destroyed/purified by Tippi and Count Bleck, or the heroes because they go uninterrupted by Dimentio? Even if it isn’t, wouldn’t it disappear alongside its host? As the Chaos Heart will disappear if there is no one to control it (or teleport to Bleck’s wedding dimension)

If Dimentio is erased from history, then he can't really have his shadow to continue controlling the Chaos Heart since he no longer exists, which would in turn cause the Chaos Heart to disappear as per one of its prerequisites where the user needs to die. Even if you try to refute this and One potentially becoming the new host, the Chaos Heart has never shown any feats of resisting being erased from history.

 

[Poketmonsrs]

Neither Two nor Four have been shown, let alone have any evidence, of having existence erasure in base form, an ability we've seen only One do. And before you ask: No, budget cuts don't count as that requires hosting rights where at the time Four lost his powers, he wasn't hosting TPOT. As for the effect, it's moreso exactly what it is with there being no evidence of it actually showing up while she's doing it. Could've been an animation error as to why it's different all the time.

Yes but both Two and Four have transfiguration. The alien gets grabbed by green telekinesis, shifts hues while it’s getting squished and squashed, fades away and then the leftover telekinesis gets kicked by One. It’s also different from the cage EE where it was only grabbed and then flashed white as it fades away. This seems very different from the different depictions to the EE of the contestants, and is much more in line with the cage, but still somewhat different. It could also be that One just transformed the alien into some kind energy still held by the telekinesis. Also wouldn’t One try to test out Two and Four’s power rather than using her own/the Yoyolite’s? Why would she use her weaker powers after gaining the much stronger power she so desperately craved for so long.

Luigi doesn't resist Existence Erasure either

Guess I should have explained a bit more. My question was more so if she would EE Super Dimentio (Chaos Heart, Luigi and Dimentio) or just Dimentio. Also wouldn’t she rather gain Super Dimentio’s power, which is shown (unless she just straight up starts with EE before letting Super Dimentio show off the Void) to be quite powerful, and One has been after power from other objects (though she might not want it due to already having Two and Four’s power). And if it only affected Dimentio, then what would her reaction be to Super Dimentio (now only Luigi (is Luigi still brainwashed after Dimentio’s EE?) and the Chaos Heart) still being there. Would she try again and affect Luigi? Would she believe he resists and doesn’t try again? Would Dimentio even be the first target for her EE if it is only 1 at a time?

If Dimentio is erased from history, then he can't really have his shadow to continue controlling the Chaos Heart since he no longer exists, which would in turn cause the Chaos Heart to disappear as per one of its prerequisites where the user needs to die. Even if you try to refute this and One potentially becoming the new host, the Chaos Heart has never shown any feats of resisting being erased from history.

Yes but I was replying to what you said which was, and I quote;

As for the void, the Chaos Heart is just left there for One to control.

So is the Chaos Heart left there or not? Because I was arguing that it wouldn’t be left there.

 

[Psychomaster35]

Jeez, you just won't stop stonewalling with these talkative questions, won't you... I can't blame you, you're just new to this.

Yes but both Two and Four have transfiguration. The alien gets grabbed by green telekinesis, shifts hues while it’s getting squished and squashed, fades away and then the leftover telekinesis gets kicked by One. It’s also different from the cage EE where it was only grabbed and then flashed white as it fades away. This seems very different from the different depictions to the EE of the contestants, and is much more in line with the cage, but still somewhat different. It could also be that One just transformed the alien into some kind energy still held by the telekinesis. Also wouldn’t One try to test out Two and Four’s power rather than using her own/the Yoyolite’s? Why would she use her weaker powers after gaining the much stronger power she so desperately craved for so long.

It's true that Two has telekinesis, but One already had this prior to getting their powers which meant that she was already familiar with how to use it, and it being green was only because she had Two's power. What neither Two nor Four had showcased, however, was Existence Erasure, something only One has been shown to do. Why are you assuming that every instance of Existence Erasure One does is completely different when it's been made clear that it's the same ability under the basis that things are being erased? A lot of the power One was using when she got Two and Four's powers was mostly strength as seen with her destroying 2 stars and a planet, but the hax she has that Two and Four have been never shown to do shouldn't be any different. She basically does these in order upon getting Two and Four's power:

1. Flight (She already had this prior)
2. Temporal BFR (She already had this prior as we see in TPOT 15 with her bringing CloudYAY back to the present from the past)
3. Energy beams (From Two and Four; She did not have this ability prior)
4. Telekinesis (She already had this prior, but she used Two's version because it was stronger and it's something they have used)
5. Existence Erasure (She already had this prior, not to mention this is an ability Two and Four have never been shown to do)
6. Earth Manipulation (From Two and Four; She did not have this ability prior)

Guess I should have explained a bit more. My question was more so if she would EE Super Dimentio (Chaos Heart, Luigi and Dimentio) or just Dimentio. Also wouldn’t she rather gain Super Dimentio’s power, which is shown (unless she just straight up starts with EE before letting Super Dimentio show off the Void) to be quite powerful, and One has been after power from other objects (though she might not want it due to already having Two and Four’s power). And if it only affected Dimentio, then what would her reaction be to Super Dimentio (now only Luigi (is Luigi still brainwashed after Dimentio’s EE?) and the Chaos Heart) still being there. Would she try again and affect Luigi? Would she believe he resists and doesn’t try again? Would Dimentio even be the first target for her EE if it is only 1 at a time?

The thing is, she has Two's powers which have the ability to absorb the powers of those user kills, which has been something One has observed before. Thus, by killing Dimentio, she would already gain his power anyway without having to stare at him, so it would still be within the lines of her character and goal. Given how her Existence Erasure is history-based while Super Dimentio's resistance to EE is only the regular kind, he would still be affected by it anyways. As for Luigi, he pretty much broke out of being brainwashed after Dimentio died, and also One can just erase him due to his lack of resistance to EE which would in turn cause the Chaos Heart to disappear.

So is the Chaos Heart left there or not? Because I was arguing that it wouldn’t be left there.

I thought you were arguing that it would stay even if the user dies to the point where I made that hypothetical to show you that it wouldn't matter anyways. For reference, I was telling you prior that it disappears with the user's death.

 

[Poketmonsrs]

Why are you assuming that every instance of Existence Erasure One does is completely different when it's been made clear that it's the same ability under the basis that things are being erased?

Because each instance had a different setup and ending. For the cage and alien, they had a targeting/telekinesis (idk what to call the blue thing on the cage) with One looking straight at them, changed color (flash of white and hue shift) with an accompanying sound as they fade away. While for the contestants, a tornado swirled around One as she charged up with an anticlimactic nothing as the contestants just disappear, theres no telekinesis, no sound, no color shift, just, gone. Thats why I believed the two to be different types of EE rather than the same, but I’ll concede. She still has EE and is more likely to use it than Dimentio and any of his base hax.

The thing is, she has Two's powers which have the ability to absorb the powers of those user kills, which has been something One has observed before. Thus, by killing Dimentio, she would already gain his power anyway without having to stare at him, so it would still be within the lines of her character and goal. Given how her Existence Erasure is history-based while Super Dimentio's resistance to EE is only the regular kind, he would still be affected by it anyways. As for Luigi, he pretty much broke out of being brainwashed after Dimentio died, and also One can just erase him due to his lack of resistance to EE which would in turn cause the Chaos Heart to disappear.

I thought it only absorbed TPoT? If Dimentio is erased from all of history, wouldn’t his powers also just get erased? Also would that Power Absorb be enough to take the Chaos Hearts infinite power?

Pretty sure the Chaos Heart would disappear right after it gets spit out of the body, as the body was the only thing keeping Luigi and the Chaos Heart connected, as seen with the fact that Luigi doesn’t disappear after the Chaos Heart is banished.

As for Luigi, he pretty much broke out of being brainwashed after Dimentio died, and also One can just erase him due to his lack of resistance to EE which would in turn cause the Chaos Heart to disappear.

Yes but I was wondering if Luigi would still be brainwashed since Dimentio brainwashed him, and since Dimentio would be erased from history, would he be Mr. L or would he be Luigi? Also why would it only be Dimentio and not Super Dimentio?


Would One EE before the Void destroys everything? Going off of your list, she’d laser first, but would she keep shooting lasers or swap to EE? Or would she time BFR first (she used it for Pencil, rather than a test of her power)? If she keeps shooting lasers, Dimentio boasts about his power and L-Power the Void, causing it to quickly destroy all of existence. If she swaps to EE, then Dimentio is gone with the Void possibly having destroyed all of existence already (Dimentio helped the heroes revive the Sammer’s Kingdom’s Pure Heart, without it Count Bleck would have destroyed everything). If she time BFR’s first then Dimentio uses Dimension D to get back/have the Void attack One.

Also would Super Dimentio’s platforms do anything here? They spawn when Super Dimentio is formed, and disappear when Count Bleck is defeated and the Chaos Heart leaves him. But as James_Plays_4_Games said, this might be something specific to Castle Bleck, as it is located in the Void, which means these platforms, and by extension the castle itself, might conform to the Chaos Heart and it’s host.

 

[Poketmonsrs]

Since TPOT 20 and the CRT was implemented, back to this.

Would One EE before the Void destroys everything?

One starts with her eye lasers (Moon, Leafy, planets, etc). It takes 3 hits for Super Dimentio to boast about his invincibility, setting him up to use his final move/the Void. One tries to shoot Leafy 3 times and the moon 7 times before we see her swap to a body slam? and kicking respectively. This would be enough for Super Dimentio to boast and for the Void to have all the worlds be destroyed (if they hit, which considering Super Dimentio doesn’t really try to dodge and is a pretty big target, I’d assume he would).

In the Leafy fight, Leafy dodges One’s eye lasers, says that what One did wasn’t very nice and then runs towards One’s chair with a knife with One kinda just standing there before getting hit by a ball of cotton? and then flies towards Leafy, gets hit by a book Leafy threw, and then teleports Leafy away.

She still starts with eye lasers with Two and Four’s power, using telekinesis after, we can see this when she destroyed the Orion Nebula planet and Nine’s planet. But the telekinesis was used to grab something shooting out of the planets (Nine and the alien) and she never used telekinesis against Leafy (although that is a different key).

Would One use EE before the Void would do anything to her? She’s already used it on the alien and can do it faraway if she charges up, but that may give Super Dimentio enough time to get a hit in, but she could always go to her pocket dimension to do so. The Void was already in process of destroying all worlds, which doesn’t leave One with a lot of time, and as stated before, she might not even believe the Void to be a threat to her now that she has Two and Four’s powers.