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  1. Xenonolon

    Properties of Hit's Invisible Ki Attack missing a detail

    Look at this clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnIIVIuO-eY 1:53. When Goku says "But I didn't expect you'd be able to attack right through things" the flashback shown in the anime is meant to support Goku's statement.
  2. Xenonolon

    Hit vs Kirby

    Hit's intangible/invisible shockwave should hit Ghost Kirby just fine. And if Kirby tried to possess Hit he could just go into his pocket dimension and let Kirby try over and over to possess his energy clone even though it doesn't have a soul to take over.
  3. Xenonolon

    Hit vs Kirby

    Because destroying pocket dimension is unquantifiable. However the point is moot since Vegeta didn't destroy any spacetime, the HTC is bounded and only plnetary in size Why would it being "bounded" stop it from having its own space-time? It clearly has mass/material within it and it's time goes...
  4. Xenonolon

    Hit vs Kirby

    Ki/God Ki at a certain level grants the ability to destroy space-time. Hit should have more Ki/God Ki than Base Vegeta.
  5. Xenonolon

    Hit vs Kirby

    Universal space-times? If you have the range and destructive power to destroy the material universe and the ability to destroy space-time (the space-time component of the universe is separate and you need a hax component to your destructive power to destroy it) why would you not be able to do...
  6. Xenonolon

    Hit vs Kirby

    How am I wanking? Why would Vegeta leave the time chamber and blow it up? it's pretty clear the time chamber was destroyed from the inside as Vegeta powered up during training. Vegeta was sweating profusely, and he was in the area the time chamber would be located.
  7. Xenonolon

    Hit vs Kirby

    Base Vegeta with God Ki destroyed the HTC from the inside in the future trunks arc. He'd have to destroy space-time to do that. Hit's pocket dimension that he created is also made up of space-time.
  8. Xenonolon

    Hit vs Kirby

    He's above base Goku with god ki (who is universal). I don't know what other term you'd use for being far above baseline universe level other than universe level+.
  9. Xenonolon

    Hit vs Kirby

    Isn't that just space-time hax resistance? Or did the curtain devour the universe all at once and he pushed it back after it did that? Regardless Hit is>=SSB KKx10 Goku who is>SSB Goku who is>SSJ Goku with god ki who is> Base Goku with god ki (and base Goku with god ki is universe level). So...
  10. Xenonolon

    Hit vs Kirby

    Just saying he's more versatile is a completely vague answer. Honestly as far as haxes goes I don't remember having all that many that were really effective. And compared to most hax users Kirby has to switch between entire transformations to get access to certain abilities instead of being...
  11. Xenonolon

    Hit vs Kirby

    This seems like utterly pointless semantics. Can we get back to the actual debate?
  12. Xenonolon

    Hit vs Kirby

    Notice the question marks I put at the end of each of those. My point was my reasons for being on this site are irrelvant to the debate and there's no reason for me to tell you them.
  13. Xenonolon

    Hit vs Kirby

    I don't see what's the problem here. I already said i'm using the stats you guys have for Kirby here even though I don't agree with them for the sake of debate. How is me just saying I disagree with them trolling?
  14. Xenonolon

    Hit vs Kirby

    So you literally admit you are trolling? Nice way to zero in on the one part of my post you wanted to see and ignore everything else.
  15. Xenonolon

    Hit vs Kirby

    Just said what was on my mind. You can call it downplay but it doesn't really matter as i'm not using the stats I think Kirby should actually have for this debate.
  16. Xenonolon

    Hit vs Kirby

    To save the sinking ship that is this site, that looks like a joke to every other VS community? To make more accurate the profiles of characters that I can? To troll all of you? Doesn't matter what my reasons are. For the time being i'm here to debate.
  17. Xenonolon

    Hit vs Kirby

    I said something pretty much equivalent to it, but that doesn't really matter. I know people've already got their minds set in stone that Kirby is at a certain level they want him to be at so going through the trouble to debunk those arguments would be a complete waste of my time.
  18. Xenonolon

    Hit vs Kirby

    This'll go on for a long time if I took the trouble to debate all of those feats. So to keep this simple do any of those feats put Kirby multiple orders of magnitude above Universe level like Hit is? That's what they need to do. Baseline universal or just above baseline universal isn't going to...
  19. Xenonolon

    Hit vs Kirby

    So i'm not allowed to have my own opinions? I already explained that i'm using the stats you guys have for Kirby for sake of argument even though I disagree with them.
  20. Xenonolon

    Hit vs Kirby

    Do we get a timeframe for how long it took for him to "corrupt" a universe? If it's not all at once it's not universe level. Why would corruption translate into DC/durability? Wouldn't that just be some kind of hax with universal range? I have no idea what you mean by him "threatening" another...
  21. Xenonolon

    Hit vs Kirby

    With the DC/durability advantage Hit has being so overwhelming that doesn't really matter.
  22. Xenonolon

    Hit vs Kirby

    Base Goku with God Ki in the BOG arc is universal. And Hit matched SSB KKx10 Goku who is leagues above that version of Goku.
  23. Xenonolon

    Hit vs Kirby

    Lolnope. If Kirby tried to suck Hit up Hit would stand there and be unaffected.
  24. Xenonolon

    Hit vs Kirby

    I see the OBD wiki's profile for Kirby as much more accurate but for this battle it doesn't matter.
  25. Xenonolon

    Hit vs Kirby

    Don't care. I got my own opinions. And as I said even with those stats Kirby still gets fodderized.
  26. Xenonolon

    Hit vs Kirby

    And BTW I go off the OBD wiki's profile for Kirby. Not the wanked stats used for him here. But even if Kirby was universal or some shit. Base Goku with God Ki back in the battle of gods arc reached universe level when he destroyed the combined attack at the end of the fight that was more...
  27. Xenonolon

    Hit vs Kirby

    Or he could just chill in his pocket dimension, let Kirby flail around trying to damage Hit's intangible ki clone, and then casually send a shockwave attack at him from the pocket dimension. Either way. No effort required on his part.
  28. Xenonolon

    Hit vs Kirby

    Hit doesn't even have to use any of his hax techniques here. He can just go up to kirby and flick him.
  29. Xenonolon

    Properties of Hit's Invisible Ki Attack missing a detail

    Hell, looking back at the scene when Goku explained the shockwave passed through solid matter we see a flashback of it passing through the tree. The anime itself practically goes out if it's way to emphasize this with neon lights. It could not be any clearer.
  30. Xenonolon

    Properties of Hit's Invisible Ki Attack missing a detail

    We do not see Hit creating a rift and sending the shockwave through it in the visuals at all. We just see him sending a shockwave straight at Goku. Goku's words match what we see. The burden of proof is on you to show Goku is wrong.
  31. Xenonolon

    Properties of Hit's Invisible Ki Attack missing a detail

    Goku specifically says in the subs that it passes through matter (and we see it passing through the tree). And both the OBD wiki and the dragonball wiki have acknowledged it passes through objects with their Hit profiles. It's idiotic not to include this. It's very likely a high enough level...
  32. Xenonolon

    Properties of Hit's Invisible Ki Attack missing a detail

    Bump
  33. Xenonolon

    Properties of Hit's Invisible Ki Attack missing a detail

    It's very important to note Hit's invisible ki attack is also intangible until it reaches its target. We saw this with it passing through a tree while leaving the tree undisturbed and Goku specifically saying "I didn't expect it to pass through matter". This property makes it harder to counter...
  34. Xenonolon

    MegaMan.EXE vs. Hit

    That "single kamehameha" had every ounce of SSB Goku's energy put into it. Goku completely exhausted his ki reserves and as a result the fight was a tie.
  35. Xenonolon

    Hit's two modes of time manipulation

    Something else that needs to be added are that Hit's shockwave attack is invisible and intangible (it passed through solid matter, a tree, and left it completely undisturbed). The shockwave attack can also pass through Hit's parallel world through a rift and a rift in a completely different area...
  36. Xenonolon

    MegaMan.EXE vs. Hit

    Yeah Hit uses ki so he should obviously be capable of creating an AOE ki attack like any other ki user. And if you see someone come back from particles you'd obviously think to just destroy those particles and that would require an AOE attack.
  37. Xenonolon

    MegaMan.EXE vs. Hit

    So he basically has buu-level regen? Hit should be able to do an AOE ki attack then and just destroy those particles.
  38. Xenonolon

    MegaMan.EXE vs. Hit

    Hit doesn't stop time during his time skip. he basically stores the time of the surrounding area and everyone around him so it only exists for him during his time skip. SSB KKx10 Goku basically just resisted having his time stored (at least that is until Hit touched Goku and stored his time...
  39. Xenonolon

    Goku's resistance to time stop

    We know it's not a time stop now. It's hit Storing time so it basically exists only for him in his stopped time. So enough ki basically allows Goku to resist having his time stored by Hit.
  40. Xenonolon

    MegaMan.EXE vs. Hit

    Hit's far above characters who are already universe level+ (Base Goku with god ki destroying the combined ki attack from him and Beerus that was more powerful than the one Beerus nullified earlier that was going to destroy the universe). And there is definitely proof of the intangibile attack...
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