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  1. Nether_nine

    Living Tribunal vs Lucifer Morningstar

    both at 1-A. Who wins?
  2. Nether_nine

    Anti-monitor for high 2-A!

    The dimension where Superman was lead to was just 1 Universe of the greater 6th Dimension that is the World Forger's domain. Nothing was "debunked" about it. As it's revealed, it has a relationship of spatial distance between that small planet and the Universe of the 6th Dimension that the...
  3. Nether_nine

    Anti-monitor for high 2-A!

    Someone should put a note, saying the 6th Dimension is just "wrongly" named and it is 6-D in name only.
  4. Nether_nine

    Anti-monitor for high 2-A!

    Innumerable is a synonym for Infinite many times often, Paul Jenkins should have made that clear in his comic, otherwise his statement is worthless and his number would get absorbed by the Larfleeze number. If you want to say that Innumerable doesn't mean infinite, fine, but there are a lot of...
  5. Nether_nine

    Anti-monitor for high 2-A!

    @Elizio Perhaps DC has a different definition of dimension from what we're used to. And we can continue pretending the Source Wall is High-1B and multiple different Multiverses exists outside of it?
  6. Nether_nine

    Anti-monitor for high 2-A!

    @Elizio A Sixth Dimensional Realm that is greater than a High-1B Source Wall.
  7. Nether_nine

    Anti-monitor for high 2-A!

    Like, tons upon tons of strawmans. Downgrading all of DC? Like, as if everything in DC is Tier 1 and above? When did that happen? Everyone is acting as if this is the case. No. Most of DC's High-1Bs and 1-As are Vertigo which should remain untouched. It's not my fault that 1-B and High-1B scans...
  8. Nether_nine

    Anti-monitor for high 2-A!

    Vertigo Characters should stay where they are. Characters part of the same Main DC Morrisonid Cosmology roster are questionable.
  9. Nether_nine

    Anti-monitor for high 2-A!

    @Hykuu That writer was inside the comic panel and taking place in Earth Q. While the writer in JL 21 is outside the panels and drawing upon the white canvas itself. So it's more likely this is the same GM's Writer.
  10. Nether_nine

    Anti-monitor for high 2-A!

    If you were able to downgrade TOAA to a 1-A key based on one storyline by Starlin, then, I see no problem with doing something similar with the Writer. I only aim to address all the points of information for reference of discussion. Just saying it's inconsistent, isn't an excuse to ignore it...
  11. Nether_nine

    Anti-monitor for high 2-A!

    Perhaps the Writer was never 1-A to begin with. And we were all dozed on Head-Canon. A far more simpler solution with less mental gymnastics involved.
  12. Nether_nine

    The World Forger

    The Sixth Dimension is a Higher-Dimension, but it is also a containment for what appears to be, can house a possible version of the Lower Multiverse that could overwrite the existence of the real Lower Multiverse should it descend. DC handles dimensions its own way now.
  13. Nether_nine

    Anti-monitor for high 2-A!

    On the contrary Ant, there is one 1-A in mind to downgrade. Writer Profile should potentially be downgraded to High-2A or below since he was being erased by Mxy on panel. Mxy erasing/unimagining the Writer and his Pencil in JL #21 Unless someone is gonna vouch for a Tier 0/1-A Mxy.
  14. Nether_nine

    Anti-monitor for high 2-A!

    Did I say Outlier Cosmologies? I mean't, Outlier and Retconned, Irrelevant and never-mentioned again, and constantly contradicted Cosmologies. Show me a scan saying that the Sphere of the Gods is infinitely layered? Doesn't exist. Show me a scan saying that Limbo is infinitely layered? No...
  15. Nether_nine

    Anti-monitor for high 2-A!

    @Hykuu Events in Morrison Source N52 are still just as much canon Cosmologically to Rebirth Snyderist Cosmology. They use the same Cosmology continua. Still the same Monitor, still the same Source Wall, still the same Bleed and still the same Sphere of the Gods and still using the same map...
  16. Nether_nine

    Anti-monitor for high 2-A!

    So we're gonna upgrade the Monitor Brothers to 6-D based on the current cosmology. But we're keeping Mandrakk and Cas as being 1-B based on one outlier cosmology scan that was never iterated in any Morrison Source comic from an older cosmology. Flippy floppy standards I guess?
  17. Nether_nine

    Anti-monitor for high 2-A!

    @Pridexego So what you're saying is that we should get High-1B Perpetua, Monitor, Anti-Monitor and Forger?
  18. Nether_nine

    Anti-monitor for high 2-A!

    @Hykuu I like that you want to continue using N52 Cosmology when all of that had already been retconned by Rebirth. 6th Dimension = Multiverse's Control Room and "Penthouse". Whether you like it or not, it's the top layer of the Main DC Multiverse. If you're gonna keep 1B/High-1B DC, you might...
  19. Nether_nine

    Anti-monitor for high 2-A!

    Hypertime is an inquantifiable metafictional Multiverse, some Morrison interviews have placed it that everything in DC Comics, from the 0-D to the 1-A is 2-D only, with Hypertime containing our real life Universe all the way to a real life 10-D. That is why some think Hypertime is 10-D but that...
  20. Nether_nine

    Anti-monitor for high 2-A!

    If you take Hypertime too literally, it's literally a 1-A Multiverse as Hypertime contains different origins of DC's Multiverse by different 1-As from different comics. As Hypertime's nature is also to explain the wonky contradictions of DC. Hence, Hypertime is not quantifiable and I wouldn't...
  21. Nether_nine

    Anti-monitor for high 2-A!

    Ant, why don't we take a step back and stop taking everything called dimension this and dimension that literally? That same scan literally thinks the entire DC Multiverse including the Source Wall is 4-D, which is unreliable because we all know 1 Universe is 4-D. And places the 6th Dimension as...
  22. Nether_nine

    We need to get DC Presence content right!

    Lucifer II is as relevant as using World's Funniest to prove that Mxy is High-1B. Like I said, I don't engage in debates that are inevitably irrelevant. Just sitback and relax, as the story that the Morrison activists use desperately to lowball the Presence becomes decanonized slowly.
  23. Nether_nine

    The Monitor Sphere and the Monitors

    @Matt I find it funny that your Presence profile is based on the Sandman interpretation of the character to the Nth degree, then ignore the Matteis portrayal that makes him a Deep 1-A against the Sandman tier. Then use the Matteis snippet Cosmology for the Morrison Pets to scale for High-1B. I...
  24. Nether_nine

    We need to get DC Presence content right!

    I don't know, Lucifer 3 is referencing a few things from Lucifer 1 (a little) Lucifer is still the shaper of stars. But the story takes place after Dark Knights Metal. I mean, what happened to Elaine? Since Presence is God again. He came back to life? Replaced Elaine? Hm? Makes no sense to me.
  25. Nether_nine

    The Monitor Sphere and the Monitors

    Because in-Universe, the characters who use the map let you know there are Infinite Universes. That's fine. But not Infinite Dimensions. Next, you're gonna tell me a bunch of Green Lanterns actually conceived and transcended a High-1B construct to fix the Source Wall in the JL Annual which is...
  26. Nether_nine

    We need to get DC Presence content right!

    Lucifer #2 isn't even relevant anyway and it is non canon. The Presence is literally alive again (ignore Lucifer 2) in the third Lucifer series latest issue as "God is Angry" at Lucifer 3 which is literally taking place after the events of Dark Knights Metal. Even Main DC, Presence is still...
  27. Nether_nine

    The Monitor Sphere and the Monitors

    Matt, You look at the map of the DC Cosmology, I do not see any "High-1B" and you know that, stop rationalizing. I just see finite levels of realms and this is a repeated fact over and over and over again. This idea that the Sphere of the Gods is High-1B is even more baseless when it is...
  28. Nether_nine

    The Monitor Sphere and the Monitors

    I do not know how the Monitor Sphere works exactly. But the fact remains that it is officially placed below the Source Wall which is itself, surpassable by many non-1-A characters. Fact is also, multiple 3-D beings became standardly near equal to the size of a Monitor (Mandrakk) including 1...
  29. Nether_nine

    The Monitor Sphere and the Monitors

    I'm talking about how Snyder's crap retconned stuff and made it so that Mandrakk fell into the Dark Multiverse after FC and came back in Unexpected. If you read the issues, you will find that Mandrakk was literally reality warped/haxed out by Neon (a low level reality warper) to eat the Dark...
  30. Nether_nine

    The Monitor Sphere and the Monitors

    The difference is that Monitors can literally get challenged by low level reality warpers from 3-Dimensional worlds. If you read the Unexpected this is a fact, otherwise we'd be getting 1-A Nth Metal weapons for blocking Mandrakk's laser beams.
  31. Nether_nine

    The Monitor Sphere and the Monitors

    @Elizio The Monitor Sphere literally looks like a 3-Dimensional world. All the Monitors fight, move and interact with each other in linear movement. Is that 1-A to you? It is for this wiki.
  32. Nether_nine

    The Monitor Sphere and the Monitors

    Morrison is the main canon for DC's Cosmology now, all other statements of High-1B are really outlier cosmologies from secondary canonical sources on authority in regards to DC's Cosmology. And Morrison never ever implied any High-1B construct. At best, he wrote 1-A stuff, but the Monitor Sphere...
  33. Nether_nine

    We need to get DC Presence content right!

    I'm talking about the time Sandalphon felled Michael and binded him. In M. Carey's Lucifer? What evidence is there to prove the chains and the weapon used by Sandalphon against Michael to trap and chain him are Outerversal? If this isn't addressed and rationalized properly, this could blow up.
  34. Nether_nine

    We need to get DC Presence content right!

    @Hykuu@PrideX See, because some people say "Michael is not 1-A because he was trapped for a thousand years so weak hurr durr" I mean, you know. Hard to grapple around that.
  35. Nether_nine

    We need to get DC Presence content right!

    A little off topic, but how would you respond when someone is lowballing Michael Demiurgos because he was trapped by Sandalphon?
  36. Nether_nine

    We need to get DC Presence content right!

    Lucifer's statement was good enough, an Author giving a no-brainer confirmation about it, was already good enough. If Matt thinks that it's okay to use secondary canon stuff like Larfleeze scans and Matteis WOG for High-1B+ Monitors written by literally separate writers of no coordination...
  37. Nether_nine

    Swamp thing 1-A buff

    How do you know that was just an Avatar of Pralaya? Oh, and the Monitor Sphere is below the Source Wall. Which contains all of Creation. DC's Multiverse contains both 1-A and High-1B and below realms in it.
  38. Nether_nine

    Who Dreamed First? The Presence or Mankind?

    @Sera Yes, but if you can read comics and all of its 1-As like a piece of fiction, you can tear said piece of paper out. Can you not rip pieces of paper of your own comics? Even if you are just the reading audience. Didn't Matt just showed us a picture of the Overvoid being shown as fiction on...
  39. Nether_nine

    Who Dreamed First? The Presence or Mankind?

    As I said Ant, if a Writer profile is allowed. And Metafiction is so the life blood of DC. An Empty Hand profile of 1-A is due, since Morrison claims the Empty Hand is the embodiment of the hand of a Comic Book reader closing a comic book page. And the Empty Hand has a better chance of being...
  40. Nether_nine

    Who Dreamed First? The Presence or Mankind?

    That Youtube interview means nothing. Rucka stated that the Presence being Supreme over everything else is an unspoken rule among DC writers. I've yet to hear anything similar of that from the Writer's case. Yet I am beyond even using that particularl WOG as an argument. But it is far superior...
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