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  1. RashFaustinho

    Regular Mira Downgrade (Dragon Ball) (also, additional info from new game)

    Thing is, It never existed a "Canon game", aside from Online (which Is debatable) which ironically features both Mira and Towa. With the Logic proposed, a videogame based of the manga is impossibile. And note that "based off" and "being Canon" are 2 separate things The argoment of Kakarot...
  2. RashFaustinho

    Regular Mira Downgrade (Dragon Ball) (also, additional info from new game)

    There is no evidence of Kakarot being in the same timeline as Xenoverse, let alone it being a Midquel In fact, Towa talks about "perfecting" Mira which still hasn't accessed his Full Power, they don't talk about healing him.
  3. RashFaustinho

    Regular Mira Downgrade (Dragon Ball) (also, additional info from new game)

    As far as I'm seeing, you can ignore it, and not add a key at all (since the ones already present clearly state that those are based on his Xenoverse / Heroes versions), or you can add a 4-B key for his DBZ Kakarot version. What I'm 99% sure, though, is that DBZ Kakarot is based off the manga...
  4. RashFaustinho

    Gogeta vs Vegito

    Gogeta stomps due to 2-C / Angel-Tier wanking (which thank god is no longer like that)
  5. RashFaustinho

    Mister Satan VS Emilie de Rochefort - Lili (Low Tier DBZ VS Low Tier Tekken)

    Speed is equalized, otherwise Lili would just blitz. Mister Satan cannot use any equipement (guns, explosives etc. are forbidden). This is a pure fist fight. Mister Satan profile: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Mister_Sata Emilie de Rochefort Profile...
  6. RashFaustinho

    Regular Mira Downgrade (Dragon Ball) (also, additional info from new game)

    As far as I've seen, there is none of that. There is no evidence of it being tied to Online or even Xenoverse. Maybe I could be wrong, but if so, I'd like to know why. ____ Also "the fact that Mira is in it suggests that Toeiverse should be considered" makes no sense. 1) We have a statement...
  7. RashFaustinho

    Regular Mira Downgrade (Dragon Ball) (also, additional info from new game)

    What? There Is no evidence that DBZ Kakarot Is in the Xenoverse Canon. It would be like saying that we see Android 21 before she gets mad in FighterZ, they're not the same. And also, if he remains 3-C, how Is It explained that he gets defeated by Buu Saga Z Warriors?
  8. RashFaustinho

    Characters who (possibly) scale to Gogeta Blue

    I don't necessarily want that, also that would be illogical, what I'm saying is that the various characters profiles pages are inconsistent when it comes to considering the continuity of DBS. For which reason the Whis page can take statements from both the manga and the anime, but the Vegito...
  9. RashFaustinho

    Characters who (possibly) scale to Gogeta Blue

    If that's the case, I totall agree to downgrading him to simple Low 2-C. The reasoning behind his "possible" 2-C is based off assumptions, and also based on a manga event, to which we aren't 100% sure it even happened in the continuity of DBS Broly. The anime doesn't dispute that fact, but...
  10. RashFaustinho

    Regular Mira Downgrade (Dragon Ball) (also, additional info from new game)

    Well, in the end, it's the same as Xenoverse, what it counts is "On what's it based in?" The story of Xenoverse isn't the same as the one from Toei products, but it has been concluded that the characters that took part in it must be the same as Toei characters. It's not like "Xenoverse Broly"...
  11. RashFaustinho

    Characters who (possibly) scale to Gogeta Blue

    Well, if it isn't clear than that means there is no clear evidence of that happening. The 2-C Gogeta is (mostly) based off the manga event. I never agreed in the first place to place in Gogeta in a high tier such as 2-C (even "possibly"), when the discussion about his very first upgrade took...
  12. RashFaustinho

    Regular Mira Downgrade (Dragon Ball) (also, additional info from new game)

    Ok, I understood the reasoning now. Makes sense. What about the "DBZ Kakarot"'s Mira then? Is he an entirely different being altogether? Should he scale to manga characters since we lack Toei characters there? Should that version be listed in his page?
  13. RashFaustinho

    Characters who (possibly) scale to Gogeta Blue

    Oh, right. That's confusing, though, because in the case of Blue Gogeta, the "possibly 2-C" rating has been given due to the fact that in Toyotaro's manga, when two Gods clash, they destroy two universes. What's the standard here regarding the continuity of DBS Broly then? Is he placed after...
  14. RashFaustinho

    Characters who (possibly) scale to Gogeta Blue

    Quick question regarding more-or-less the same topic. Wasn't Vegito definited to be "maybe" stronger than Beerus by Shin? Shouldn't he be low 2-C as well or, at the very least, "at least low 2-C during Final Kamehameha"?
  15. RashFaustinho

    Regular Mira Downgrade (Dragon Ball) (also, additional info from new game)

    I did write it was regarding Base Mira's tier
  16. RashFaustinho

    Regular Mira Downgrade (Dragon Ball) (also, additional info from new game)

    Yeah, i did leave a message in their wall, at least for some of them.
  17. RashFaustinho

    Regular Mira Downgrade (Dragon Ball) (also, additional info from new game)

    I was under the impression that XV treats non-canonical stuff such as GT in separate, non-related timelines? They can access to them, but it's not the original timeline of the Time Patrollers, which instead take the events of the "canon" DBZ up to Battle of Gods (and then branching in something...
  18. RashFaustinho

    Regular Mira Downgrade (Dragon Ball) (also, additional info from new game)

    In the Mira page it is stated that he was able to take on both Super Saiyan 3 Goku and Buu... in their "non-canonical" version, that is their Toei version which has upgrades compared to their manga counterpart. First off, how has it been determined that those two he faced were their "non-canon"...
  19. RashFaustinho

    Turnabout of the Golden Witch: Phoenix Wright vs. Battler Ushiromiya

    For me this is an easy win for the lawyer. In terms of pure experience Phoenix is ahead of Battler thanks to his lawyer career and much, much, much more cases solved. Also, as someone said above, Wright already successufly disproven Witches once.
  20. RashFaustinho

    Dragon Ball Super Cosmology

    Quilted?
  21. RashFaustinho

    Dragon Ball Super Cosmology

    Long story short, i'm for the 12 universes having a shared timeline. That's at least what's intended in the Zamasu Saga, with the time rings stuff
  22. RashFaustinho

    Gogeta blue tier

    Looks like it, yeah. There is a saga with a bunch of item (rings), with each ring representing a timeline, and by the looks of it, a ring (timeline) encompasses everything - The 12 Universes of the cosmology and the afterlife realm
  23. RashFaustinho

    Gogeta blue tier

    The problem isn't that, but the fact that he was affecting space time
  24. RashFaustinho

    Gogeta blue tier

    The reason he is Low 2-C is because he merges with time or some stuff like that. Anyway, I agree with the proposal of the whole Multiverse having a shared timeline. I was skeptical about this, but looking at the time rings in the Zamasu saga, it's... Pretty obvious, really.
  25. RashFaustinho

    Gogeta blue tier

    And this is EXACTLY why this downgrade thread should be staff only. With knowledgeable users being allowed to comment if need be. Yeah, please, STAFF ONLY. Given the results of the previous threads, this stuff shouldn't be handled anymore by the "Knowledgeable members"
  26. RashFaustinho

    Gogeta blue tier

    In the end, what's being proposed here is to downgrade the verse back to 3-A times, and Low 2-C Zeno? Man, people will lose their head about this. LoL
  27. RashFaustinho

    Gogeta blue tier

    This still wouldnt be possible to happen if the universes are in separate space-times though. Shockwaves cannot bypass dimenional barriers. So if your claiming this shadow, then you have to agree with the universes in DBS not being in their own space-times (which would be the only possible way...
  28. RashFaustinho

    Gogeta blue tier

    And in a fight, especially dragon Ball, 2x the difference is hardly anything. We're assuming the bear minimum here because of that. Lmao Seriously, guys, I've given up. It has been THREE THREADS in the span of around half a month that I've been reading stuff such as the one mentioned above. I...
  29. RashFaustinho

    Gogeta blue tier

    I'm tired of this, I've repeated this times and times again in 3 different threads, stomping someone doesn't mean ANYTHING in this manga. We've multiple instances of people stomping with minuscle differences in power, people NOT stomping with ABNORMOUS difference in power, super saiyan...
  30. RashFaustinho

    Gogeta blue tier

    I was in both threads, go check it out. The argument for Gogeta being as strong as the combined power of Beerus and Champa was and still remains stupid wanking fanboyism, whatever you put it. The arguments presented for Gogeta being this strong through "Stomp Multipliers", putting him 2X GoDs...
  31. RashFaustinho

    Gogeta blue tier

    I still have to understand who is the wise mind that can determinate that Gogeta is as strong as the COMBINED power of Beerus and Champa, possibly without using arbitrary wanking nonsensical and most importantly of all STUPID head canon stomp multipliers. In a series where BOTH Stomps and...
  32. RashFaustinho

    A Kefla and Vegito weakness addition

    I know it's not canon, but still: In Wrath of Dragon, Gotenks gets KOed by Hildegarn, and as result of that, they immediately defuse. By the looks of it, to me it sounds more plausible to think that when a Fusion gets knocked out, it immediately ends, probably because the fighters are no...
  33. RashFaustinho

    Gogeta blue tier

    This. "At least Low 2-C" is the fairiest option IMHO If people want to believe he is 2-C, they are free to do so
  34. RashFaustinho

    Gogeta blue tier

    Frankly, I wouldn't ignore Goku's statement about Broly being "possibly stronger then Beerus". It wouldn't be right, DBS is REALLY but REALLY vague with these kind of things, if we had to nitpick which statements are true and which aren't you'd go crazy. That said, I still think that Gogeta...
  35. RashFaustinho

    Gogeta blue tier

    Look, i'll be completely frank with you, because I took part to the discussion that decided this nonsense. Gogeta is wanked due to the extreme fanboyism towards the character. The claim is "since Gogeta Blue stomped Broly, then he is at least above the combined power of Beerus and Champa"...
  36. RashFaustinho

    Very Important Dragon Ball Super Revision (Continued)

    I STILL disagree with this Gogeta stuff for reasons I've explained above and that haven't been addressed. No reason whatsoever to give him this "Likely" Tier. The rest is good
  37. RashFaustinho

    Why does Creation count as an AP feat? (Staff only)

    bump
  38. RashFaustinho

    Very Important Dragon Ball Super Revision (Continued)

    The Grand Priest is very likely going to be updated. Until today, the Beerus+Champa feat was 3-A, so there weren't any issues on Grand Priest being Low 2-C. Simply put, he was Low 2-C because the Beerus+Champa scene wasn't really considered
  39. RashFaustinho

    Why does Creation count as an AP feat? (Staff only)

    What bothers me it's not that they have the energy to do it - What bothers me is assuming that they can use that same energy to fight or hurt an opponent Again, it may sound logical, and it is at least in a realish-world perspective, but it doesn't look like this rule is followed in fiction -...
  40. RashFaustinho

    Why does Creation count as an AP feat? (Staff only)

    Quick question regarding the Attack Potency tiering: Why is the creation of something (like a Universe), or his merging, being treated as an AP feat? There are some verses that are abusing this to get a tiering that doesn't make any sense (IMHO). Why should the creation of something, or, the...
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