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  1. Wyver_Luna

    Arceus Problems

    true, simply having no competition on your level would lead to overly simplified battle style. so i guess the results are something to the effect of: On Paper, Arceus's stats are legit and don't need changing In Character, Arceus doesn't make use of it's full potential 90% of the time and that...
  2. Wyver_Luna

    Sol Badguy vs Son Goku

    i just love how this goes from round 1 nearly being a coinflip to round 2 Sol being massively stronger due to scale range. although i'd honestly agree since the reasons above seem legit But i'm not sure if my vote counts as legit since i know not much at all about DB and don't know a whole lot...
  3. Wyver_Luna

    Arceus vs Othinus

    Agreed. personal dislike of a person is not a valid reason to ignore a thread someone made in order to further derail a debate with the exact same content the thread was made to handle.
  4. Wyver_Luna

    Arceus vs Othinus

    Why would I want to argue with him of all people? i mean, having seen some of your posts, that argument could be made about you too, but lets just drop this and keep personal grudges personal. no need to taint the battles with personal crap, yeah?
  5. Wyver_Luna

    Upgrade in Hax for Arceus?

    It is what happens, but we may as well assume it's wonder guard that's causing the immunity, since dragon is the only thing super effective against itself (so with wonder guard, a mon who's only dragon type is the only mon who's affected by dragon attacks). Not all types resist themselves so we...
  6. Wyver_Luna

    Arceus Problems

    i'm still thinking Arceus deserves a note to the fact of how much it's been duped to show that massive knowledge doesn't automatically mean it uses said knowledge. but the majority is right that arceus's abilities, power, and tanking have been doubted much more than reasonable. (edit: mind you...
  7. Wyver_Luna

    Arceus vs Othinus

    ...i only said Arceus doesn't have it in spades rephrased: he doesn't have a lot of it but he still has it. Also, at this point we've pretty much already come to a result so... Arceus pretty much beats Othinus through stats, Othinus might be able to convince Arceus to leave but that's...
  8. Wyver_Luna

    Arceus vs Othinus

    ehh, the argument is more that "Uxie is knowledge, Arceus created Uxie, hence Arceus created knowledge/the embodyment of/concept of" Either way, it's the interaction between common sense and knowledge that determines how smart someone is imo, and Arceus doesn't have common sense in spades...
  9. Wyver_Luna

    Arceus vs Othinus

    Upon actually thinking about what i wrote there, i absolutely agree lmao
  10. Wyver_Luna

    Arceus Problems

    tbh, the only downplay i find reasonable is maybe a note that despite supposedly knowing all Arceus has been duped before fairly easily. Arceus isn't really gullible but comes pretty close. but a footnote is all it'll ever be tbh. the rest of Arceus's stats are pretty well deserved and proven.
  11. Wyver_Luna

    Arceus vs Othinus

    well, honestly Arceus is a bit of an idiot and decently impulsive according to a good chunk of the media despite the supposed (and very likely) ability of knowing all, but Othinus wouldn't even know what a master ball is so that shuts the argument down right there. Othinus being a bit of a...
  12. Wyver_Luna

    Arceus vs Othinus

    tbh, it's not specified that this is a "kill or be killed" match, even if arceus can't be killed it can still be KO'd. That said, Arceus has the edge
  13. Wyver_Luna

    Arceus vs Othinus

    tbh, i didn't see "speed equalized" or i wouldn't have mentioned it, but if it is then yeah it doesn't matter. my bad. Statistics wise, Arceus would probably win but i'd still give Othinus a fighting chance due to us not knowing if Arceus is acasual or not, so if she can rewrite the timeline to...
  14. Wyver_Luna

    Arceus vs Othinus

    1st, it's those "kindly returning the favor" moments that Othinus could create, alongside other attempts since she wouldn't know exactly what would work and what doesn't 2nd, atm i'm assuming Othinus gets first move although i dunno who's faster. It also depends on how quickly Arceus chooses to...
  15. Wyver_Luna

    Arceus vs Othinus

    it might be PIS, i'll let someone else more experianced in the matter decide that On the other hand, assuming no acasuality, i didn't particularly mean willpower hax (not sure if Othinus even has any) but something closer to rewriting the timeline to make more events where Arceus might...
  16. Wyver_Luna

    Arceus vs Othinus

    Well, i mean, it'd be more along the lines of preventing them from existing rather than truely taking them from Arceus, but there's also the chance that Othinus could make a phase that slowly removes them from arceus via it's own will or forcable removal, a few at a time. i don't remember Arceus...
  17. Wyver_Luna

    Arceus vs Othinus

    ^ this but yeah, honestly we do need to know just what counts as a type and what doesn't. Because if it counts as a type Arceus can counter it, with the exception of grass type due to the original poster's arbitrary decision to not give that plate to Arceus. Othinus's only breathing room is...
  18. Wyver_Luna

    Arceus vs Othinus

    well, Aurora Beam is ice due to it being an Aurora which is usually only seen really far north (maybe south? i'm not very knowledgable about weather phenomona), and due to being that far north, really freaking cold. that's at least what i'm thinking for it's ice classification. Signal Beam...
  19. Wyver_Luna

    Arceus vs Othinus

    1st, you're somewhat missing the point about my NLF thing, although you are right about me overlooking stamina concerns although even that can get borderline NLF on occasion. It's not that arceus can't have those abilities, because having those abilities isn't NLF. assuming it has those...
  20. Wyver_Luna

    Arceus vs Othinus

    Hmmm... one thing though. Othinus does have a feat where she manipulates the probability of her one weapon so that it will nearly unfailingly hit the target (i don't know of a time where it's failed, but it's theorized that against someone like Accelerator it might?) and Pokemon has a LOT of...
  21. Wyver_Luna

    Which character would you be on VS battle?

    Tbh, i'd preferr less of a character and more of a certain city in a certain world. Espers in general from Toaru Majutsu no Index/Toaru Kagaku no Railgun are just badass imo. In the series, yeah certain abilities are much better than others, like Accelerator mentioned somewhere above this post...
  22. Wyver_Luna

    Arceus vs Othinus

    NLF is more for assuming an ability can do something at a scale beyond what it's shown to be able to do in cannon due to not having been given an upper limit. a "weakness" isn't really a limit since if you have an ability that theoretically can reach infinite attack but was never shown to, but...
  23. Wyver_Luna

    Arceus vs Othinus

    well, let's just assume for convenience that Arceus does possess the abilities of every other pokemon, we still have no proof those work on non-pokemon types nor to what extent they'd work. on the other hand the silver water incident proves Arceus is able to be dealt with by non-pokemon types...
  24. Wyver_Luna

    Arceus vs Othinus

    well, it does say that arceus is missing 1 plate, arbitrarily decided as the grass-type plate 'cause they had a picture, so i'd assume incomplete.
  25. Wyver_Luna

    Anai Miu Merged form vs Kakine Teitoku(Post revival)

    i'm not familiar with Kakine's opponent, but in the case of that kind of weapon that Tivanek is suggesting, the main question is, does it affect ALL of him, even if split into multiple dark matter constructs? if not, then he can just survive via the fact that as long as any ammount of his...
  26. Wyver_Luna

    Arceus vs Othinus

    on a more serious note, 1st, how would Othinus's Phases be handled? i mean, Arceus -might- be able to undo them, but probably not instantly, and she might be able to instakill Arceus due to it being technically vulnerable to the same things pokemon are (at worst, she just keeps embedding phases...
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