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  1. JengulGozen

    Rider vs Rider

    Where did you get that ruling from? As far as I know she is limited from giving skill like armor of fafnir and similiar. But not by any other rule. And the thing is. As speed is equal , it doesnt even matter. Coatl had no trouble dodging Kingus chains mid air and was able to meele him. Which is...
  2. JengulGozen

    Top 15 Strongest Fate Servants

    Ah so it was only that she was the perfect counter like Emiya was to Gilgamesh and she needed support + she dies afterwards ? That makes it far less impressive. It's like saying Suzuka Gozen should get a power up on the list because she can one time go to moon cell Level power wise before...
  3. JengulGozen

    Top 15 Strongest Fate Servants

    Oh ? That sounds awesome ? You have any scans? Did she get any buffs ? Any help ? New technic ? Makes me excited
  4. JengulGozen

    Top 15 Strongest Fate Servants

    The problem is with musashi, as good as it sounds on paper. It seems to be quite limited. Or why else didn't she us it against Ivan? She knew she has no time anymore, she had one attack left. Why not use it to one shot him and leave a easy clean up for the gudao? Also still waiting for Nobu...
  5. JengulGozen

    Top 15 Strongest Fate Servants

    Ask the creator why he writes stuff like that Nobu berserker has to be careful to not burn divine servants by walking past them / herself
  6. JengulGozen

    Top 15 Strongest Fate Servants

    Hmm Its hard to argue against Dante. Specially since we dont know if Avenger Nobu RM includes her old effects. The only thing I would add would be Nobu opening with her RM Demon King of the Sixth Heaven Papiyas which would give her with Tenken double adventage and ,, absolute power ´´...
  7. JengulGozen

    Top 15 Strongest Fate Servants

    Depends, Base Nobu survived Okitas NP if Iam not wrong? Can Dante one shot Nobu before she starts using any NP? Also Avenger Nobu on this site has durability Multiverse as she seem to have tanked attacks with infinite energy. And even if only Dante ( Which I doubt as Dante lacks the attack...
  8. JengulGozen

    Top 15 Strongest Fate Servants

    Just thought about it a little more. And in my opinion Maou Nobu got dismissed a little to early. Maou nobus stomps everyone who is divine no questions ask Has massive adventage against everyone who has a mystery surrounding them Can fly on her guns around. Not sure if Jet speed as she was...
  9. JengulGozen

    Sieg vs Emiya

    Changed it. Also would it be more fair to give Emiya Rins mana as resources?
  10. JengulGozen

    Sieg vs Emiya

    Any reason why apogrypha one wouldn't be able to do it? As if Iam not wrong even does it at the end of apogrypha
  11. JengulGozen

    Sieg vs Emiya

    I can change it, however does it make any difference ? As far as I know Caster Sieg is just a avatar made by Sieg and not a real servant. ( actually thought the link always leads to the first version of a character )
  12. JengulGozen

    Sieg vs Emiya

    Who would win without their servants to save them? Sieg https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Sieg_(Fate/Apocrypha) Emiya https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Shirou_Emiya
  13. JengulGozen

    Top 15 Strongest Fate Servants

    Did we see him erase servants as servant ?
  14. JengulGozen

    Top 15 Strongest Fate Servants

    ,,When summoned in his more limited form in Chaldea, Berserker presumably cannot utilize his Authorities without heavily straining and harming himself, and in this form he only has access to Shiva's authority." It's what is written in his profile, also a servant with authority is not seen...
  15. JengulGozen

    Top 15 Strongest Fate Servants

    1. He can use it as much as Suzuka can use her Moom Cell Level powers. Yes one time thing and afterwards they are screwed. It's like saying Jeanna is number one because she has a 100% one shot Np which she can use once 2. Same thing if we are honest. Just because someone has a ability doesn't...
  16. JengulGozen

    Top 15 Strongest Fate Servants

    1. His Profil States he can't use authority without hurting himself, so it seems to not matter which. But as servant he only has this one authority 2. Just as I understood it. Servant versions can only use servant feats
  17. JengulGozen

    Top 15 Strongest Fate Servants

    1. Again servant Version gets heavily damaged for using it. 2. What he does in lost belts doesn't reflect his servant version
  18. JengulGozen

    Top 15 Strongest Fate Servants

    1. It's mentiond on his Profil on this Site 2. Anti evil is also mentiond on this site and his Bond Level as authority. ( I sadly don't speak moon runes) 3. Because same argument was used against my Coatl claim for good gods wisdom. Just because someone has it doesn't mean he uses it. As the...
  19. JengulGozen

    Top 15 Strongest Fate Servants

    Still it's mentioned he harms himself heavily by using it and it strains him. Suzuka can also just go all god mode but has to heavy draw backs from it, else she would probably stomp all on the list. Yeah even if EX is so far greater, we would need to see him actually use it in combat. Just the...
  20. JengulGozen

    Top 15 Strongest Fate Servants

    Anti Evil is a authority tho. Which he can't use as servant or only really limited. And Clairvoyance alone isn't enough to be dominating. Even Fionn has B and Arash A and they are far from being on the list
  21. JengulGozen

    Top 15 Strongest Fate Servants

    His kit is just that strong, if he have feats, i believe he will be equal if not stronger than Gilgamesh. Kit doesn't really matter , does it? See the Coatl discussion as she has with example good gods wisdom the by far strongest kit, but aslong as it isn't shown to be used / as good as in...
  22. JengulGozen

    Top 15 Strongest Fate Servants

    How is berserker Arjuna alter this high ? Does he have any feats outsite of his lostbelt?
  23. JengulGozen

    Top 15 Strongest Fate Servants

    Same for suzuka gozen, who also is limiting herself by choice
  24. JengulGozen

    Top 15 Strongest Fate Servants

    Are really saying Gilgamesh shields just stop a NP which put a beast down to it knees , burned a area bigger then Uruk and has the temperature of the sun? Well let's play this game. Has Gil any weapon as strong as multiply H-Bombs. Because Coatl seems to not even care about standing infront of...
  25. JengulGozen

    Top 15 Strongest Fate Servants

    Luck can change the Fate of a servant. I don't see why a new possibility would stop that
  26. JengulGozen

    Top 15 Strongest Fate Servants

    Your arguments are basically just saying he does things without a proof / he acts OOC or you say the feats of Coatl don't count because reasons like AnImE. You also said Siegfried killing Karna through armor doesn't count in the novel, but Gilgamesh destroying the world 7 times does, because...
  27. JengulGozen

    Top 15 Strongest Fate Servants

    I don't see any point arguing with Lancelot anymore as it seem to not matter. Gil is for him the ultra super awesome character and I accept that. But back to what you said, I don't see Coatl defeat them with a high win rate aslong as she isn't allowed to use Good god wisdom. However we talked...
  28. JengulGozen

    Top 15 Strongest Fate Servants

    iam confused by now. So we are not to take quotes litteraly from the books for face value , only if they benefit Gil We don't use anime examples , only if they benefit gil Can we now decide for one ? Also again, just because he doesn't have to use the name, doesn't mean he can use it when...
  29. JengulGozen

    Top 15 Strongest Fate Servants

    I will rest my case with : 1. Her Authority allowes her even as servant to have advantage against Good alignment servants 2. She has shown to be able to handle weapon spam / chains even mid air 3. She has a meele and a range NP which both will defeat Gilgamesh once used 4. It's unlikely that...
  30. JengulGozen

    Top 15 Strongest Fate Servants

    I cant counter a argument which you made without proof? Colour me suprised
  31. JengulGozen

    Top 15 Strongest Fate Servants

    You litteraly made no viable argument and now abandon? Good job you really made your point
  32. JengulGozen

    Top 15 Strongest Fate Servants

    Which we concluded is not what this is about , right?
  33. JengulGozen

    Top 15 Strongest Fate Servants

    Uga buga no need for IC behavior while Coatl has to ?
  34. JengulGozen

    Top 15 Strongest Fate Servants

    Which he never uses out site of kid Gil to cheat at cards, if he is allowed to use that then Coatl uses Good gods wisdom and stomps him
  35. JengulGozen

    Top 15 Strongest Fate Servants

    She litteraly attacks two seconds after dodging them? Also if we go by the mats Iam pretty sure she didnt even took Kingu serious as her voice didnt change as it is mentiond in the mats when she has someone she wants to defeat. We see it against Tiamat and in her interlude that once she gets...
  36. JengulGozen

    Top 15 Strongest Fate Servants

    So he uses it against a BEAST. Thats not really the best example buddy. Also we saw her not having trouble to avoide such chains. You cant just assume she get hit and he pulls EA. When she has the feat of dodging them or using them to get a direct hit off
  37. JengulGozen

    Top 15 Strongest Fate Servants

    So no source for it ever happening ?
  38. JengulGozen

    Top 15 Strongest Fate Servants

    At which god did he ever pull EA instantly ?
  39. JengulGozen

    Top 15 Strongest Fate Servants

    Again that's not what the novel said. We can't take one novel litteraly and not the other. Decide for one way don't use both. Also IC Gil goes world destruction ( if it even exists) or is it more likely that he is slow and full of himself while getting smacked by a goddes which actually fights...
  40. JengulGozen

    Top 15 Strongest Fate Servants

    Emiya litteraly block it And is almsot unharmed in kayleid. But probably emiya is just stronger then the world ? I would like the Japanese quote for it destroying the world. As such doesn't exist in fate , as anti world only affects the layer. Again what is this , it would have destroyed the...
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