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    [Toaru] Alice Anotherbible's Resistances

    Well... we're looking for Soul Manipulation that does damage. We didn't discuss High Priest so no and his indeterminate intersection ability is said to manipulate value/rank, the text calls it different from his destruction. That Aleister's feat is not really Soul Manipulation. She doesn't have...
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    [Toaru] Alice Anotherbible's Resistances

    Back. I took a cursory look at last few posts and have some comments. I’m curious about what the criteria is for placing abilities as Agreed/Disagreed… etc? I noticed some abilities in Agreed are things I agreed on and Qaws didn’t for example EM Waves from Misaka. I don’t think we discussed...
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    [Toaru] Alice Anotherbible's Resistances

    Archetype: The Archetype Controller doesn't manipulate the brain, it manipulates archetype concepts and their definitions like the category of Kihara, Science side, western mysticism... etc. They aren't internal, the archetypes are abstractions/representational, which is why it's able to be...
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    [Toaru] Alice Anotherbible's Resistances

    Archetype Manipulation This is more so manipulation of concepts and categories. Creating them, sending them into the world and destroying them. The controller doesn't directly manipulate the brain or mind. Deconstruction One has to stab someone's body with the fairy stake for its effects to take...
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    [Toaru] Alice Anotherbible's Resistances

    Almost forgot I said I'd comment on the other ones later, so here's my stance on the rest of them: Disagree Probability Manipulation from Aleister ST Law Manipulation from Accelerator Gravity Manipulation from Aureolus. Conceptual Manipulation from Archetype Controller. Sound manipulation...
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    [Toaru] Alice Anotherbible's Resistances

    I'll preface this for both of my posts since this seems to be where our disconnect is happening. I had a talk with the admin Qawsedf234 too and he says: She'd have resistance to abilities that target her insides. If the abilities don't directly target her insides she can't get a resistance to...
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    [Toaru] Alice Anotherbible's Resistances

    Sure like reverse bloodflow and bioelectricity, but Accelerator can also use vector control to rip all the skin off a body or more generally redirect vectors of a body that touch his skin. Reflection in this sense would destroy that body, but isn't an internal attack. It only makes sense to give...
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    [Toaru] Alice Anotherbible's Resistances

    The application of blood and bioelectricity manipulation make sense, but why is broad control over vectors being considered here? What internal damage is illusion manipulation (Spiritual Tripping) doing, unless you're saying she would possibly resist a specific weapon that does internal damage...
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    Alice Anotherbible (Toaru) Revision

    I understand, but we haven't discussed which abilities would fall under "internal damage". Are we doing that here or another thread?
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    Alice Anotherbible (Toaru) Revision

    What's everything?
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    Alice Anotherbible (Toaru) Revision

    Not the ones that passed in OP, we were going to discuss what "internal" abilities in the franchise could additionally be listed as possible resistances after mod input. I was asking if we were making a new thread for that or doing it here. IIRC I don't think anyone here was opposed to Alice...
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    Alice Anotherbible (Toaru) Revision

    So like the reality warping, are we shelving discussion on the list of individual "possibly" abilities for another thread? I think I asked this question generally already, but whats the justification for the 'At least' if we're scaling to Othinus?
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    Alice Anotherbible (Toaru) Revision

    I agree that Kamachi says it's possible. Any of the unnamed Transcendents having an ability that's useful in some way against Phase Manipulation. Sprengel says Transcendent specialties vary so much there may have been one that could easily hard counter Kingsford. LAIW being used, Kamachi's...
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    Alice Anotherbible (Toaru) Revision

    1) I didn't say he was wrong, I said it did not occur in the novel. This was in relation to "shown onscreen" in my OG post. 2) To reiterate, we neither have any idea what the group would use to survive destruction or how they would defeat Othinus, other than it is possible based on WoG. "One...
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    Alice Anotherbible (Toaru) Revision

    Missing my point. To reiterate: 1) This WoG scenario never occurred, its a hypothetical, we don't see it happen 'onscreen' in the novel either. 2) The WoG refers to Transcendents + Alice as a group, that's like what 30+ characters with wildly different abilities, and it doesn't actually tell us...
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    Alice Anotherbible (Toaru) Revision

    My only issue with the AP/Tier was the 'At least' on the Live Adventures in Wonderland. And I agreed with Dragnoirs points on Child and B Alice's tiering. 1. Still disagree here. 3. Resistance wise, before ability specificities, there's a policy contention first and foremost that staff can...
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    I think we need staff input here. We're trying to sort out site policy on resistance adding...

    I think we need staff input here. We're trying to sort out site policy on resistance adding. https://vsbattles.com/threads/alice-anotherbible-toaru-revision.167642/
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    I think we need staff input here. We're trying to sort out site policy on resistance adding and...

    I think we need staff input here. We're trying to sort out site policy on resistance adding and you helped us out on a thread way way back. https://vsbattles.com/threads/alice-anotherbible-toaru-revision.167642/
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    I think we need staff input here. We're trying to sort out site policy on resistance adding and...

    I think we need staff input here. We're trying to sort out site policy on resistance adding and you helped us out on a thread way way back. https://vsbattles.com/threads/alice-anotherbible-toaru-revision.167642/
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    Alice Anotherbible (Toaru) Revision

    Agreed. Quote 1: The action she took is the step forward to get to her desired location, which she draws the 'Walking' miracle from. The novel makes a point to tell us only one step forward physically is being extracted each time "Walking" is used. Quote 2: The word move here doesn't imply...
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    Alice Anotherbible (Toaru) Revision

    It's revealed it wasn't actually a clash, but one attack from Alice that defeated the Transcendents and destroyed Tribikos. I highlighted wet explosion because that description is reserved for Alice's attacks in this volume. I said it was contactless, so I agree with you that it's not applicable...
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    Alice Anotherbible (Toaru) Revision

    What I meant was if the justification is scaling her Live Adventures in Wonderland directly to Othinus we should scale her to High 1-C, likely far higher, because Othinus is High 1-C. I don't think there's any difference in physicality either tbf tbf. (But I understand this is debatable.) Nah...
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    Alice Anotherbible (Toaru) Revision

    I have some issues with a few things! If the highest scope comparison given to Live Adventures in Wonderland in the text is Othinus, who is High 1-C, and we're trying to factor in justification for what could be theoretically possible with the ability, then the tier should be something like...
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    Toaru Discussion thread New Fourms #1

    Let's try to keep all the GT10 convo past translation point in spoiler tags for the time being
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    Toaru Discussion thread New Fourms #1

    I thought this was just me. Glad to know I'm not crazy tbh OT: Yea, the issue with Spell of ROTA is that there's no direct power comparison like what Magick:Flaming_Sword got when introduced. It is the only attack in the fight that injured Dragon King... However Dragon King also has no direct...
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    To Aru Majutsu no Index: Fixing Issues with Accelerator

    Fighting opponents stronger than previous opponents alone doesn't seem indicative of an amp. For example, the Post Aiwass key seems to indicate his active Vector Control power somehow increased from Aiwass (OT19), but we have textual evidence in OT22 his Vector Control is still inferior to his...
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    To Aru Majutsu no Index: Fixing Issues with Accelerator

    Nah the word is fine, I mean do we have textual evidence or are we just guessing.
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    To Aru Majutsu no Index: Fixing Issues with Accelerator

    Assumes?
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    To Aru Majutsu no Index: Fixing Issues with Accelerator

    Since we're on the topic, can someone explain to me what the Post-Aiwass and Post-Qliphah Puzzle 545 keys mean as far as this increase in Vector Control AP indicated on the profile currently?
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    Toaru Discussion thread New Fourms #1

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    Toaru Discussion thread New Fourms #1

    Genesis Testament Volume 9 Cover https://www.kadokawa.co.jp/product/322307000327/
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    Toaru Discussion thread New Fourms #1

    GT9 Short Synopsis is out. js06 translation below incase you don't want to be spoiled. https://twitter.com/js_06/status/1714739042665840766?s=46 https://twitter.com/js_06/status/1714739043773075866?s=46
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    Toaru Discussion thread New Fourms #1

    Yea that's essentially it.
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    Toaru Discussion thread New Fourms #1

    No, it's just comparing the stack of Phases which are piled up and are partitioned layers that influence each other and are yet separate closed realms to the Pao-Pei which are managed in categories so their effects don't interfere with one another. And like the microcosm/macrocosm and magic...
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    Toaru Discussion thread New Fourms #1

    GT9 in December according to the IF livestream. (No Degenki confirmation yet) NT1 (YenPress) in December too.
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    Toaru Discussion thread New Fourms #1

    Someone whose read some of it said she's kinda full of hot air. Her counter, the 13th Tarot ability seems to be similar to Hel. She manipulates all forms of deaths, turning death symbols (like Osiris' disremembering, Odin's impaling and so on) into her assets, using it in form offense and...
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    Toaru revisions, Omnibus edition

    https://vsbattles.com/threads/toaru-revisions-omnibus-edition.151843/post-5822051 Were you fine with this matter? You touched upon it briefly, but wanted to verify as we need a mod input.
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    Toaru revisions, Omnibus edition

    Narration says it's the only human technique that could plausibly counter 100% Othinus :shurgs: If you read their convo in NT10 before the first attack is thrown he's not particularly mad at all, but later we learn he angrily attacked first and that there's a contradiction between what high...
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    Toaru revisions, Omnibus edition

    Few things: a) It's stated a couple times the Blasting Rod combination has merit against both 100% Othinus and True Gremlin who mentally have absolute confidence in their power. b) Magic Gods weren't serious. High Priest particularly, his surface that didn't care much and is wholly unaware of...
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    Toaru Discussion thread New Fourms #1

    Based on everything about her from GT5 she's probably still alive. The Picture Book Girl seems to act as something similar to an M-body for B (Backstage) Alice.
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