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From what I gather, profiles are yet to be done, yes? If the other stuff for the verse is going to happen in other threads, then this one might as well close, yeah.
To be discussed elsewhere.
Anyway:
@Planck69 @DarkDragonMedeus @Sir_Ovens @ActuallySpaceMan42 @Elizhaa
Can you provide input here? Thread's been languishing for a bit.
Yeah, I'm fairly skeptical of that reasoning. Nonduality in general is inherently a contradictory power (By design), so I don't think there is much that can actually get it off of logic alone and without explicit statements of including logical dichotomies (Since the power breaks logic to begin...
Oh, I thought that for scaling purposes the two were just interchangeable, since you mentioned the Fourth Wall has "the same nature as the other walls." My bad.
Regardless: Yeah, I don't see anything above 1-A here, regardless. The whole division between reality and fiction mediated by the...
Yeah, that's pretty much what I meant by "Unless that superiority is the kind that could be ascribed to Type 1 BDE." Looks fine to add that up to the page, then. Given you already suggested that little addition clarifying that Low 1-A is valid if the non-dimensional nature is the cause of the...
That doesn't really translate into this context, because "Beyond all dimensions" (Granting that it means "superiority" in the relevant sense, mind you) is descriptive of a realm that exceeds dimensional spaces without, itself, being a dimensional space, which is indeed what tiers Low 1-A and up...
With those examples, I was pretty much thinking of a hypothetical case where, say, a realm is described as "Beyond dimensions" but then received further descriptions that make it clear that it is, itself, just another dimensional space and not something of a whole other nature. In that case...
The Tiering System doesn't really make this distinction anymore. The revisions basically abolished the whole notion of something being able to be beyond-dimensional "only over" the dimensions actually existent in its cosmology but not beyond-dimensional in the proper sense (i.e. Beyond...
I don't think the current description has many failures outside of being vague on what constitutes "superiority," which should be clarified indeed. Let me have a try at it:
Why would that change anything? Soma's actual body is phased into the mirror dimension, while the appearance of him in the castle is just an image. If the Succubus manages to physically grab him, she interacts with his body, and not with the image. Therefore, since she is interacting with his...
It is needed in this case, for the reasons I just outlined (i.e. The avoidance of damage is given by the intangibility, so if you bypass the intangibility, you bypass this avoidance). You haven't given any rebuttal whatsoever beyond "That's not how it works," when it is, in fact, how it works by...
I don't think this means much, truthfully. As said before, the "Wall' seems to be pretty much just the blank page on which the text of the novel is written, in which case, is obviously belongs to the "Reality" side of the dichotomy, as opposed to the "Fiction" side. Seems to be "between" them...
The reason Soma is invulnerable to damage is the intangibility. If you bypass the intangibility, logically, you should be capable of dealing damage to him. You have to argue that the avoidance of damage has a totally different mechanism from the intangibility to say that you can bypass one, but...
Why would that detail not be there? If it's just programmed to happen that way regardless, then the full animation will, in fact, play out regardless of what effect you have in place. What you mentioned is also not "goalpost moving" so much as "You mentioned a detail that made me suspicious on...
Because if it's just something that all enemies with a grab mechanic can do (Not even just the Succubi. Every enemy that grabs you), then chances are that it's just how the game is programmed to work, with there being no need to insert lore explanations into it. It's not moving the goalpost...
If this is something that just happens with every enemy that has a grab attack, then Life_of_King up there is probably correct, yeah. It's almost definitely just a game mechanic.
Real world pop-sci articles mentioning causality don't really mean anything. No one is disputing that normal...
That'd just apply to monsters on the level of the Succubus and up, whereas the current page treats it as universal to all creatures of chaos. The latter is demonstrably incorrect, as shown by the fact that the ability isn't useless in the game.
Why would this support your point about causality...
In fairness, this is true of the enemy version of the ability, but Soma's version does work exactly like that. Other point still applies, though. He's Invulnerable to all enemies while in that state, and the Kyoma Demon likewise is invulnerable to you while inside the mirror. NPI off of that is...
We see what it entails, yeah. It's just hopping into mirrors to avoid attacks (And conversely being able to be harmed just fine when coming out of them, as the video linked in the OP shows). You also haven't really addressed the fact that they can't be harmed in that state, either.
Why? Nothing...
So:
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Creatures_of_Chaos_(Castlevania)
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Belmont_Bloodline
The bolded part is what we're focusing on. Three problems: 1) There's no mention of the demon "phasing through dimensions," he's just inside a mirror. 2) It's not...
You can conceivably have lower-dimensional objects with finite mass, so I wouldn't cast such a wide blanket on all of them with that description. Should be reworded.
Granted I think the change itself is good; saying Lifting Strength is "inapplicable" is weird when you can have 11-C characters...
So, for the general Real World shenanigans: I'll say that Hatte's world, in particular, is what's most clearly fine here. It's explicitly depicted as encompassing both the Delusion World and the "Real World" of the Akibarangers, instead of as just another world parallel to them, and from what I...
Oblivion should be 1-A, if anything, considering that dimensionality in general is restricted to Mundus and doesn't exist beyond it. I agree that the "Limitless dimensions" statement isn't worth very much.
We generally accept Kirkbride's statements as canon (Save the most egregious ones, that...
So:
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Creatures_of_Chaos_(Castlevania)
I honestly don't even know why this was ever accepted as Invulnerability. All there is, is this single statement about them being "invincible" under the specific circumstances at place in Dawn of Sorrow. Nothing about them...
I was toying around with something like the concept of this revision a while ago, but I'm pretty uninterested in it as it stands, especially with the Tiering System revisions and the leftovers from it still hanging. By consequence I'm indifferent towards this thread. (That said, I think making...