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Does it really matter? It comes from his power. We even see him creating the wave again when he's possessing Lyla and destroys Earth 1 and that's after the first wave is stopped and the machine is destroyed by Earth 90s Flash.
The show implies he created the multiverse one universe at a time, not all at once hence the constant referral to them being failed drafts before moving on to another one.
Nobody else keeps arguing this over and over again. Everybody else is willing to concede that all three are comparable to each other whether they favor Nero being stronger or Dante and Vergil being stronger. You're the only one who can't seem to do that.
Anyway, I'm done with this argument.
You're not going to get a consensus that Nero is stronger than Dante and Vergil. You're just not. Concede that they're comparable and drop it. It's not that big of a deal.
Not much in regards to his other abilities. Vague descriptions at best. It is noted that Dante (and by extension Vergil since his should operate in the same manner) can't remain in his SDT form for long in his character report. Not sure if his weakness tab should be updated to reflect this since...
"Grab an enemy and trigger a blast from within, shattering the enemy with explosive raw power."
This is the description for one of Dante's moves in his SDT, specifically this one.
https://youtu.be/JCo4Pjm_0K8?t=63
So yea, he should have implosion manipulation.
I've always said he's comparable. Nothing more, nothing less. He never fights or overpowers Vergil or Dante when the two are in top condition, so I see no reason to scale him above them.
There is no consensus on DT Nero scaling above SDT Dante and Vergil so that shouldn't be mentioned in his profile. The best solution to this is to say he's comparable to them as Silvervigilant said earlier.
Dante may have some form of time manipulation as well (outside of quicksilver). In his SDT he does an attack where he makes a seal and time within the seals area appears to slow down and then he attacks.
https://youtu.be/JCo4Pjm_0K8?t=73
Yeah, I think you missed my earlier post:
It absolutely does not make sense narratively speaking. Dante never would have needed SDT, but base Dante beats Urizen and that is what is shown (it can be argued that base Dante powered up from absorbing Devil Sword Sparda and Qlipoth roots, but then...
I think it's supposed to be implied that Dante managed to recover in that short time. I mean Vergil did easily overpower him when he was weak yet the two were completely equal in their next fight.
But then why would he bother using SDT? If he could truly beat post fruit Urizen in base then he...
Dante being weakened from his fight with Urizen is a good point @Ogbunabali brought up. If Dante could beat post fruit Urizen in base then he certainly wouldn't have been weakened after the fight. Him being weakened to the point that Vergil could easily overpower him suggests Dante had a...
I still contest that Base Dante is stronger than post fruit Urizen. It makes no sense narratively speaking. Dante would've never needed his SDT to beat base Urizen if he was capable of beating post fruit Urizen in base.
100% this. Not once does Nero ever overpower Dante or Vergil when the two are in perfect condition. Nero literally sat there doing nothing the minute Vergil was revived and then later unlocked his DT, which means he certainly shouldn't have been tired whereas both Dante and Vergil just fought...
1. That's not Dante who grew sronger from the Qliphoth roots. It's Urizen.
2. Nero never blitzed Dante or Vergil.
3. He never knocks them out of their DT. They went back to their regular forms on their own. Nero had nothing to do with it.
4. As has been said about 10 times at this point...
"The brothers in-fighting would only benefit him. Vergil's defeated and wounded state was indeed a benefit to Mundus."
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D0r3y3kWsAABAUc.jpg
You can keep denying it as much as you want, but the series speaks for itself. It's a blatant fact that Vergil and Dante...
I'm not comparing anything. We have straight up proof that when Dante and Vergil fight each other it weakens them. It happened twice in DMC3. That isn't going to suddenly change in DMC5.
And I never said Nero was weaker, but rather that he's not stronger than them. I believe all three are...
It makes perfect sense because that was literally a thing in DMC3. Dante and Vergil fighting each other weakened them enough to the point that they lost to Arkham. Hell, the new novel states that Vergil being weakened from fighting with Dante was the only reason Mundus was able to corrupt him in...
Dante and Vergil tire out quickly when they fight each other as shown in DMC3. Vergil even has damage marks all over him after his fight with Dante. Fighting each other and then fighting fodder demons is much different than fighting each other and then proceeding to fight another guy who's...
Continuing from the discussion in the previous thread, Base Dante should not be above Urizen. I don't care what the cutscene showed. They made it abundantly clear that Dante needed his Sin DT to overpower normal Urizen. How in the world would he go from needing Sin DT to defeat a normal Urizen...
And honestly, it's kind of hard to scale off of Sora alone. The massive Demon Tide kills him and his friends, but then he comes back and fends it off with the help of thousands of past keyblade wielders. Fair enough, but then he can suddenly beat MX with the X-Blade with just the help of Donald...
There's no reason to scale any of the UX characters aside from Luxu at this point (since he's actually fought Sora). The Foretellers have done nothing so far. And not every Demon Tide is the same. The one in the Keyblade Graveyard was massive and required Sora and literally the help of thousands...
Should probably remove that only Twilight Xemnas has the ability to cast a dome of darkness that allows him to fire hundreds of lasers. He does that in his base form to Lea/Axel in a cutscene in the Keyblade Graveyard. Most of the abilities he showed in his twilight form he's shown he can use in...
He's moved on from one body after another. It's stated in the secret reports. He also says it in the epilogue. "Yea, but some time ago, I had to cast my old form away. Been through plenty more semblances since, but it's still me underneath it all."
And as I already said, that's irrelevant because we have another statement that falls in line with exactly what Goku said, which is that Broly has power possibly surpassing a GoD. Both of those statements suggest relative parity for Broly and Beerus.
Anyway, I'm done with this argument...
There's nothing vague about the statement. He says Broly might be stronger than Beerus, which means the gap is rather small. He didn't use Jiren as the benchmark, but Beerus. If Jiren was stronger then it makes absolutely no sense to use Beerus for the comparison.
I've seen it and it's not any different than what you've been telling me. There is no direct comparison between the two. Nowhere in any promotional material or in the anime is it directly stated that Jiren is stronger than Beerus.