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@Natse Welllllllll under normal circumstances you'd be right, but given how the strength of Dragon Ball characters seems to override hax in the canon, I think it's safe to say that enough power can presumably overcome it-- especially in Jiren's case. That being said, I think it entirely depends...
Inconclusive. I still don't see any proof that Jiren can beat Beerus beyond pure conjecture. Until one of the angels or Beerus himself mentions that Jiren is stronger or it's implied, I don't think we can really say.
I don't think it's an outlier, tbh. At this point, we all already know these characters are MFTL+ but the series keeps presenting Jiren as an unbeatable, unstoppable force of nature unlike any other antagonist has been painted as before (yes, I'm including how much Freeza and Beerus were hyped...
Argh, dang it! I just made a thread on this! Oh, well. Yeah, I think this very well may mandate an upgrade for Jiren. There was a lot of debate, additionally, as to whether or not Hit is genuinely manipulating time prior to this. Regardless, it's safe to assume that the Time-Skip zones he...
According to Vados in the subtitled version of Dragon Ball Super episode 111, apparently Jiren's power is so great that it "transcends time".
Thoughts?
...of his Ki, but wouldn't you be too if someone so much more powerful than anyone else on the stage?
Plus, Whis said there exists a mortal who even *a* God of Destruction can't beat, but it doesn't say which God of Destruction-- nor is it really implying all of them, to me. Beerus may have...
Trying to mellow-off my hype from watching the best episode Super for me hands-down. Disregarding the fact that this has now became one of my favorite Dragon Ball episodes ever, I think pre-cognition is safe to put in his profile.
^ I agree, but Dyspo is starting to win me over. I was completely disinterested in him prior to him confronting Hit, but in the last few episodes I've found him to be really interesting. Toppo is hilarious, though.
Hit.
His ability to adapt in battle is incredibly useful. Dyspo seemed to be a lot faster than Hit. Toppo is definitely stronger than Dyspo (or at least he should be since he was implied to be second to Jiren), but Dyspo may very well be faster. Either way, Hit as of this point is likely on-par...
@Super God Julian
In that case, in my opinion there should be profiles for the Xenoverse versions of these characters if Mira and Demigra have their own profiles-- it would clarify a lot of things.
I'm not going to make the profile because I'm a noobie here and didn't make a very good first...
@Super Saiyan God Julian
That's fair. If that's the case then I think it's disingenuous for his profile to even mention the Demon Realm thing because that isn't direct evidence of his Low 2-C status. It should just say "absorbed Toki Toki's Egg which had the ability to create a new timeline."...
I'm also taking issue with Mira's title of 2-C. If two 3-As ABSOLUTELY cannot defeat a low 2-C, then I do not think Final Form Mira is a 2-C, especially given that combining the Demon Realm with the Mortal Realm would be a 3-A level feat, since that would all take place within one Dragon Ball...
POINT 1: "Goku did not do most of the "heavy lifting" in the fight, the Future Warrior was just as much a part of it as him and even landed the killing blow."
If you follow the dialogue in the fight, Goku didn't seem fatigued against Mira at all. "Stings a bit, doesn't it? Well, I am using my...
Ultimately, Final Form Mira being 2-C and the Future Warrior beating him (along with Goku) does not prove that the Future Warrior is also 2-C.
While Final Form Mira was going to merge the "main Universe" (I'm not even sure he said that verbatim, and even if he said anything along those lines...
My boy Geekdom101 always has the best content. Quality guy.
Minor complaint: I like the name, but isn't it a bit redundant to call it "Super Saiyan Rage" when the Super Saiyan form itself is triggered by... I dunno... rage? Aren't all Super Saiyan forms technically Super Saiyan Rage? Lol
I'll also go with Cell.
Gohan says "And here I'm supposed to have powered up considerably since then!"
In what way does that translate to "I AM more powerful than I was before!" If anything, Gohan is demonstrating that he's NOT as powerful as was. "I'm SUPPOSED to have powered up considerably...
So in the newest episode of Dragon Ball Super, Beerus and Whis travelled to Earth in a matter of seconds after Beerus smelled the most delicious food in the Universe from Earth. Previously it took about the "length of an average Anime episode" to reach Earth from Beerus' planet, but it only took...
Guys, nearly all of Arale's feats are gag feats to begin with. In my mind, this episode is a buff for Arale (as she's a gag character and this isn't out of the norm for her). That's just me, though.
Yes there is, but superman has no real need to avoid small debri because simply it won't hurt him even at full speed.
Planets are different, they are large celestial objects and can be seen even several AU away, specially by someone with telescopic vision like Superman.
Even assuming he is...
I'd argue that's not necessarily true in space, considering how unlikely you're to hit something.
If superman has feats of millions of c in earth there is no reason to rule them out as outliers tho, considering how he would obviously need to dodge objects as to not destroy everything.
There is...
I'm just going from the profile and this: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Speed
If you disagree with the speed listing, you should make a seperate upgrade thread and then come back.
I understand how the page works, I'm saying the gap between his supposed combat speed and travel speed is...
I'm not asking for them to scale between the two.
I'm saying that if you're going to acknowledge Superman's travel speed as being billions of times FTL, then you cannot follow through that his combat speed is ONLY 250c. Superman would NEED to have reaction speeds at LEAST thousands of times...
Exactly. And once again, discerning combat speed and travel speed for some characters is valid, but it really isn't necessary for Superman. And even if you WERE to do it, capping it at 250c is absolutely silly considering that if his reaction time was that much slower than his travel speed, he'd...
What type of sense does that make?
Again, there's no reason to discern travel speed and combat speed when travelling through space fundamentally requires fast reflexes if he's moving at 1,000,000,000c or more. This isn't even cherry-picking, this is logical thinking, and it's incredibly...