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true, simply having no competition on your level would lead to overly simplified battle style. so i guess the results are something to the effect of:
On Paper, Arceus's stats are legit and don't need changing
In Character, Arceus doesn't make use of it's full potential 90% of the time and that...
i just love how this goes from round 1 nearly being a coinflip to round 2 Sol being massively stronger due to scale range. although i'd honestly agree since the reasons above seem legit
But i'm not sure if my vote counts as legit since i know not much at all about DB and don't know a whole lot...
Agreed. personal dislike of a person is not a valid reason to ignore a thread someone made in order to further derail a debate with the exact same content the thread was made to handle.
Why would I want to argue with him of all people?
i mean, having seen some of your posts, that argument could be made about you too, but lets just drop this and keep personal grudges personal. no need to taint the battles with personal crap, yeah?
It is what happens, but we may as well assume it's wonder guard that's causing the immunity, since dragon is the only thing super effective against itself (so with wonder guard, a mon who's only dragon type is the only mon who's affected by dragon attacks). Not all types resist themselves so we...
i'm still thinking Arceus deserves a note to the fact of how much it's been duped to show that massive knowledge doesn't automatically mean it uses said knowledge. but the majority is right that arceus's abilities, power, and tanking have been doubted much more than reasonable.
(edit: mind you...
...i only said Arceus doesn't have it in spades
rephrased: he doesn't have a lot of it but he still has it.
Also, at this point we've pretty much already come to a result so... Arceus pretty much beats Othinus through stats, Othinus might be able to convince Arceus to leave but that's...
ehh, the argument is more that "Uxie is knowledge, Arceus created Uxie, hence Arceus created knowledge/the embodyment of/concept of"
Either way, it's the interaction between common sense and knowledge that determines how smart someone is imo, and Arceus doesn't have common sense in spades...
tbh, the only downplay i find reasonable is maybe a note that despite supposedly knowing all Arceus has been duped before fairly easily. Arceus isn't really gullible but comes pretty close. but a footnote is all it'll ever be tbh. the rest of Arceus's stats are pretty well deserved and proven.
well, honestly Arceus is a bit of an idiot and decently impulsive according to a good chunk of the media despite the supposed (and very likely) ability of knowing all, but Othinus wouldn't even know what a master ball is so that shuts the argument down right there.
Othinus being a bit of a...
tbh, i didn't see "speed equalized" or i wouldn't have mentioned it, but if it is then yeah it doesn't matter. my bad.
Statistics wise, Arceus would probably win but i'd still give Othinus a fighting chance due to us not knowing if Arceus is acasual or not, so if she can rewrite the timeline to...
1st, it's those "kindly returning the favor" moments that Othinus could create, alongside other attempts since she wouldn't know exactly what would work and what doesn't
2nd, atm i'm assuming Othinus gets first move although i dunno who's faster. It also depends on how quickly Arceus chooses to...
it might be PIS, i'll let someone else more experianced in the matter decide that
On the other hand, assuming no acasuality, i didn't particularly mean willpower hax (not sure if Othinus even has any) but something closer to rewriting the timeline to make more events where Arceus might...
Well, i mean, it'd be more along the lines of preventing them from existing rather than truely taking them from Arceus, but there's also the chance that Othinus could make a phase that slowly removes them from arceus via it's own will or forcable removal, a few at a time. i don't remember Arceus...
^ this
but yeah, honestly we do need to know just what counts as a type and what doesn't. Because if it counts as a type Arceus can counter it, with the exception of grass type due to the original poster's arbitrary decision to not give that plate to Arceus. Othinus's only breathing room is...
well, Aurora Beam is ice due to it being an Aurora which is usually only seen really far north (maybe south? i'm not very knowledgable about weather phenomona), and due to being that far north, really freaking cold. that's at least what i'm thinking for it's ice classification. Signal Beam...
1st, you're somewhat missing the point about my NLF thing, although you are right about me overlooking stamina concerns although even that can get borderline NLF on occasion.
It's not that arceus can't have those abilities, because having those abilities isn't NLF. assuming it has those...
Hmmm... one thing though. Othinus does have a feat where she manipulates the probability of her one weapon so that it will nearly unfailingly hit the target (i don't know of a time where it's failed, but it's theorized that against someone like Accelerator it might?) and Pokemon has a LOT of...
Tbh, i'd preferr less of a character and more of a certain city in a certain world.
Espers in general from Toaru Majutsu no Index/Toaru Kagaku no Railgun are just badass imo. In the series, yeah certain abilities are much better than others, like Accelerator mentioned somewhere above this post...
NLF is more for assuming an ability can do something at a scale beyond what it's shown to be able to do in cannon due to not having been given an upper limit. a "weakness" isn't really a limit since if you have an ability that theoretically can reach infinite attack but was never shown to, but...
well, let's just assume for convenience that Arceus does possess the abilities of every other pokemon, we still have no proof those work on non-pokemon types nor to what extent they'd work. on the other hand the silver water incident proves Arceus is able to be dealt with by non-pokemon types...
i'm not familiar with Kakine's opponent, but in the case of that kind of weapon that Tivanek is suggesting, the main question is, does it affect ALL of him, even if split into multiple dark matter constructs? if not, then he can just survive via the fact that as long as any ammount of his...
on a more serious note, 1st, how would Othinus's Phases be handled? i mean, Arceus -might- be able to undo them, but probably not instantly, and she might be able to instakill Arceus due to it being technically vulnerable to the same things pokemon are (at worst, she just keeps embedding phases...