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  1. LoudCloud

    Using Undertale gameplay stats to determine tier?

    So it's more of a lore thing than a gameplay thing? (Like power-levels in DBZ except accurate?)
  2. LoudCloud

    Aang content revision

    Is the Kyoshi island feat actualy island level? I heard people trying to disprove it and no one defending it. Also where does Aang's mountain-level feat come from? It says something about putting out fires in the Earth Kingdom by raising water but I don't recall anything like that in the show...
  3. LoudCloud

    Using Undertale gameplay stats to determine tier?

    Thought this wiki was against using stats (especially rpg stats) to determine how strong/fast character were in relation to each other, yet the Undertale pages use them all the time.
  4. LoudCloud

    Piccolo vs Martian Manhunter

    No idea, sorry. By the art style it looks like new 52. But he's done similar stuff in other comics too
  5. LoudCloud

    Piccolo vs Martian Manhunter

    Superman said MMH is the only being on Earth he's afraid of. If he's fast enough to give Supes a whoopin, he's fast enough to give Piccolo a whoopin.
  6. LoudCloud

    Piccolo vs Martian Manhunter

    Well, what is the use of Wonder Woman when Superman is more powerful than her? Not all Justice League characters are as strong as each other but they can all contribute something as a team. From a character standpoint, MMH seems to prefer the mental side of things anyway, so he usually deals...
  7. LoudCloud

    Piccolo vs Martian Manhunter

    MMH due to hax (invisibility, intangibility, shapeshifting, psionics etc.) and possibly speed (speed and attack potency are usualy implied to be around or higher than Supes level. So MFTL+ basically).
  8. LoudCloud

    Why was OOA changed to unknown?

    Maybe the use of dimensions isn't such a good example. I'm talking more about other sort of statements. Ones people turn down because they seem like toon force rather than something realistic. Just seems redundant to treat fiction with real-life concepts when that's not what it's all about. But...
  9. LoudCloud

    Why was OOA changed to unknown?

    In my personal opinion, statements should be considered very important. This wiki is too focused on being scientific and logical, as if we're discussing real-life matters, which doesn't always go down well when comparing characters from fiction. I don't think it's fair to say "yeah, the author...
  10. LoudCloud

    Why were Jeff and Paula downgraded?

    done
  11. LoudCloud

    Why were Jeff and Paula downgraded?

    Then I should probably downgrade Poo as well
  12. LoudCloud

    Why were Jeff and Paula downgraded?

    Why were Jeff and Paula changed from Mountain+ to just Mountain? Any reason?
  13. LoudCloud

    Mother 3

    Sure, but at the end of the day this fight was too vague to know anything for sure so I'm lowballing it for argument's sake.
  14. LoudCloud

    Why was OOA changed to unknown?

    That's sort of the point right? Omnipotence is so beyond human comprehension we shouldn't even question it. But yeah OAA being put as unknown makes sense.
  15. LoudCloud

    The Official Profile Creation Request Thread

  16. LoudCloud

    Why was OOA changed to unknown?

    Surely he'd have "at least 1B" on his profile then? Also how do we know the Primal monitor or any other tier 0 character is tier 0? Is there a specification they have to complete? Sorry, just curious.
  17. LoudCloud

    Why was OOA changed to unknown?

    Wasn't he tier 0 before or something?
  18. LoudCloud

    What would the levels be of a character who?

    1. Is mountain+ but has their power halved (lower and upper boundaries will do). 2. Can one-shot three mountain+ level characters easily (lower boundary will do). 3. Is twice as fast as a hypersonic+ character. Also, should I mention a characters attack potency when they "borrow" it from...
  19. LoudCloud

    Mother 3

    On the contrary. Despite going through a transformation at the time, Giygas was still fighting alongside Pokey as he was dishing out attacks (PSI Rockin) and receiving them. The thing about Ness fighting Giygas accounts for Ness appearing as a reflection on Giygas' machine as well as Pokey...
  20. LoudCloud

    The Official Profile Creation Request Thread

    Could a page for the Scott Pilgrim series be created? There's already a few pages for certain characters but there's still a few missing and to group it into a page on the verse would be nice. As a huge fan of the series I would be willing to spend a lot of time on it. It's a 6-volume comic...
  21. LoudCloud

    Mother 3

    Not confirmed. The details on the fight are vague. Yes, he and Ness "fought" as part of the game, but Giygas was still there aiding Pokey and when you consider Giygas was around Ness' level then (he was unaware of the fight, so slightly weaker than usual), the fact Pokey mostly monologued in the...
  22. LoudCloud

    Mother 3

    I changed it due to the fight with the chosen four he had (who were mostly mountain level, expect Ness but Giygas' involvement with the fight can account for him). I planned to change Lucas' page but forgot.
  23. LoudCloud

    How does Beerus' Ki nullification feat make him Universe-level?

    But by how much. That's the difference between multi-galaxy+ or universe-level
  24. LoudCloud

    Frisk & Chara vs Ness & Giegue

    They have no way of harming him. Giygas also has some hax but I don't think it'd work too well against them
  25. LoudCloud

    How does Beerus' Ki nullification feat make him Universe-level?

    That would make Beerus 1.6 times as powerful as Goku. Not that it matters since that info is outdated.
  26. LoudCloud

    How does Beerus' Ki nullification feat make him Universe-level?

    Oh makes sense. People keep telling me different things about the impact. I should re-watch the episode.
  27. LoudCloud

    How does Beerus' Ki nullification feat make him Universe-level?

    I know Beerus is more powerful than Goku but I need to know HOW MUCH the difference is. We can't just guess that it's x10 what he is at his maximum. I'd rather we wait a bit longer for DB Super to progress before making assuptions.
  28. LoudCloud

    How does Beerus' Ki nullification feat make him Universe-level?

    It's obvious they are above Goku's power but the actual ammount seems to just be speculation. I know that's how this wiki works a lot of the time, but I'd rather have actual evidence. If it took 5 attacks from Goku and Beerus to destroy the universe and they were equally matched then each...
  29. LoudCloud

    How does Beerus' Ki nullification feat make him Universe-level?

    Umm... So if a character in fiction says "you are a bug compared to him", does that make him propotionaly as strong as a bug compared to that charatcer? Case in point
  30. LoudCloud

    Beerus vs. Magolor

    Sorry
  31. LoudCloud

    How does Beerus' Ki nullification feat make him Universe-level?

    I can understand him being universe-level if that was an attack potency feat but it seems more like Ki-related hax feat. How exactly can Beerus nulify ki? Thanks.
  32. LoudCloud

    Krillin vs Karate Kid

    I knew he was pretty powerful but dayum! What would that put him as? Solar-system level?
  33. LoudCloud

    Beerus vs. Magolor

    I'm not hateful towarsd dbz, I'm pretty neutral actually. I am however, very p***** at people who claim others are trolls just for making a debate. Should I call someone a troll for pointing out inconsistances and skeptism at a quote from a series I like? Furthermore, just because Whis is the...
  34. LoudCloud

    Beerus vs. Magolor

    Well excuse me for not taking everything that's said in DBZ as literal. Especially in a verse where so much of their dialogue consists of Hulk-esque "Me is the strongest there is". In fact, let's look at the inconsistancies of DB Super so far: Beerus claims to have ordered Frieza to destroy...
  35. LoudCloud

    Beerus vs. Magolor

    So if Beerus is universe-level that would leave Goku's level as ambigous. Beerus had enough power to destroy the universe, so the amount of destruction Goku contributed to that blast is unknown (it could be hardly anything for all we know).
  36. LoudCloud

    Beerus vs. Magolor

    Wasn't it Goku who nullified it?
  37. LoudCloud

    Beerus vs. Magolor

    Here's an example of how this makes no sense: -Imply character A and character B combined could destroy a wall -Imply character A is more powerful than character B -This does not make character A wall-level through powerscaling. And if it did, that would make character B's contribution...
  38. LoudCloud

    Beerus vs. Magolor

    So let me get this straight: -Beerus is universe-level -Because he's a lot more powerful than SSJG Goku who is multi-galaxy+ -Because his and Beerus' attacks almost destroyed the universe together. In other words: Beerus is universe-level because Goku is multi-galaxy+ because Goku and Beerus...
  39. LoudCloud

    Krillin vs Karate Kid

    DB's strongest human martial artist vs DC's strongest human martial artist
  40. LoudCloud

    Dragon Ball Super Universe 6 Team!!

    Reminds me of this ultra rare preview for DB Super I just found. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3b0t_5qGu3I Hmmm, this got me wondering. What would be the likelyness of a Filthy Frank verse page on this wiki? He's got all these characters with feats and all.
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