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I'll Throw In My Two Cents, Given I was the one who initially created the Thread for Pre-Wish Granolahs Moon Level Upgrade.
When I initially posted that, my primary argument was that the Cerealians were not a Warrior Race. They were peaceful, which was said by both Granolah and was reiterated...
Something Worth Noting is that sucking in the Nether Portals Destroys the World on the Other Side too. And In AVM the Nether Portals Seem to lead to separate Overworlds. As shown in the credits of "The King" The Village Overworld and the Overworld with the Witch is the same. But Places such as...
He ran around using his boots the redirect the energy of the flame of py'tar and slammed it back down on him. That would be Attack Reflection but I don't know if there is a more specific label for that like Energy Redirection. Maybe we could make one I don't know.
Given the 5 episode Armageddon Event is over, there was something new in the finale that caught my attention. Chester created a pair of Golden Boots from a piece of tech made by Ray Palmer 10 years in the future called the Particle Eradication Distributor which is designed to redirect energy and...
The Leaks for the Chapter Dropped Today. I'm not gonna discuss them here, but from what I've seen we absolutely must wait until the chapter drops. It makes a massive difference.
I don't have much to add for anyone except Beerus and Gas.
For Beerus "Adaptive Power level" should be added to his Profile due to him having Access to the same Ultra Ego Power that Vegeta uses which allows him to grow stronger. Although with Beerus it doesn't seem to be based on taking Damage...
Gonna play devils advocate here, but that second scan was more to suggest that Granolah as a bounty hunter trained and got stronger. And given the Cerealians are said to be a Peaceful race and even Toyotaro said that the Cerealians aren't a warrior race.
And we have been shown that too in...
Like I said before, Granolah said they were a peaceful race and Toriyama said that they weren't a warrior race. And even if Flayk was a cut above the rest Granolah would still be a cut above him still.
I was gonna do that, but given we don't know the distance the moon is from Planet Cereal I don't know if we could get an accurate speed. Sure we could just assume its the same distance as our moon but I like to leave as many assumptions out of scaling as I can.
The Recent Chapter Gives us a Good Benchmark for the Full Power of your average Cerealian. In the attack on the Saiyans a Cerealian Named Flayk gathered all his energy into an attack much like the one Granolah was gonna use on Vegeta in the previous chapter and completely disintegrated the moon...
1. We don't know that, and we won't know that until the Volume 16 Color Pages come out.
2. Irrelevant
3. We know it is different because Goku used his Ki from Blue. And we know he only tried to copy it and failed. We don't know if he succeded in Erasing Half of Zamasu from Existence.
This is very disingenuous as I had far more backing it than just those two.
1. Vegeta destroying a rock in the sand way and Beerus saying he didn't erase it from existence because he used his own Ki to do it.
2. The Fact that Goku DID use his own Ki to do it as shown by Him Gathering his Own...
What do you mean headcannon? Vegeta's training and Ultra Ego is entirely centered around Hakai. And Goku comments on how his forms Ki is different from Regular God Ki. I don't see how this could be more explicit aside from Goku saying "Wow, Vegeta must be using Energy of Destruction."
We haven't yet, but we don't know for sure if what Vegeta did and failed to do was purple or not and we won't know until we get the Volume 16 Color pages
Can you prove thats what he meant by messing it up? I've already given evidence to suggest you can't use your own Ki to do Hakai and it...
We won’t know that for sure until the color pages come out for Volume 16 to confirm which version Vegeta is using there.
But, the possibility existence erase for now is fine until then.
I know that. I'm not saying it doesn't work in a similar fashion to the Hakai just that it doesn't actually erase it from existence. And I'm more inclinded to take the word of Beerus, a master of Hakai, over Vegeta.
I still disagree. We know when Goku used it he used his own Ki, which according to Beerus doesn't erase it from existence. We also know Goku doesn't have Destruction Ki which is shown in Vegeta's form and is consistent with what is shown in the anime with Toppo.
This seems pretty solid to me...
again the series shows through Vegeta's training that you can use a similar technique which does destroy the object without actually erasing it from existence. It also shows a usage of another form of God Ki that Goku doesn't have access to in usage of the proper technique.
Not necessarily. Saying he messed it up could just as likely mean that he didn't do the technique properly like how Vegeta didn't do it properly how Vegeta did when training to use Hakai.
And again, him using his own Ki like Beerus said and his lack of Destruction Ki like Vegeta has in Ultra...
Well again, as far as the sand thing goes we see Vegeta training to do Hakai and its the same Sand thing that Goku did and Beerus said that he didn't do it right and simply broke it with a Ki blast. And we know he was simply using his own Ki when he used it in the Black arc as shown here as...
As far as an answer in canon, Zamasu might not know the limits of his regeneration since its shown him regenerating too quickly without regaining his stamina takes a toll on his body. So perhaps he thinks complete disintegration would push the limit of his immortality.
And as for the more...
Well we have no evidence nor a statement that what Goku did was existence erasure. Its far more likley that Goku did what Vegeta did in chapter 70 and simply damaged Zamasu with his Ki.
Currently Chou Goku has possible Existence Erasure due to this scan but more recent chapters seem to imply otherwise. Such as in Chapter 69 Goku saying he messed up doing the technique.
Further more we see Vegeta Training to do Hakai in Chapter 70 And we see Beerus make this comment here that...
I agree, they only scale to their buu saga versions. Most agree that Goku in base is Stronger than Buu saga SSJ3, but not drasticly so. Take that and add on whis training to make his base exponetially stronger. Goku and Vegeta are seemingly equal, so Vegeta would scale to this. Stack the 50x...
That doesn't make up for the highly ilogical solar system level attack potencey. Based on what it says (Solar System level normally (Overpowered Super Saiyan Vegeta with telekinesis)), It Implies that they are comparing Moro to Super Saiyan Vegeta in the Buu Saga and Not Current Super Saiyan...
You do realize that this is Goku and Vegeta after the Tournament of Power, right? If moro was solar system level, Goku and Vegeta would have wipped the floor with him with no difficulty, magic or no. The Fact that he could keep up with Super Saiyan god Vegeta means that he is around his level...