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  1. Community_Gamer

    Arifureta Shokugyou de Sekai Saikyou Discussion Thread 2

    I just said I could kinda see the argument. My above comment should perfectly elaborate on where I see everything regarding the concept magic. As for Dragon Factor, I just gave a devil's advocate argument on how you COULD potentially make it conceptual, but I don't really think the soul itself...
  2. Community_Gamer

    Arifureta Shokugyou de Sekai Saikyou Discussion Thread 2

    Yeah, I just without requiring outside influence. So yeah I am aware of all that. The issue is that it doesn't really fall under Type 1 imo. "Independent Universal Concepts: Such concepts are completely independent from the part of reality they govern, except maybe of other concepts of this...
  3. Community_Gamer

    Arifureta Shokugyou de Sekai Saikyou Discussion Thread 2

    Do you think Concept Magic falls up Type 1, Type 2, or Type 3 CM? Because I'll be honest I don't see why it'd fall under any of them. Concept magic doesn't govern the reality its created from nor anywhere else because its always limited to the effectiveness and range of the object it has been...
  4. Community_Gamer

    Arifureta Shokugyou de Sekai Saikyou Discussion Thread 2

    I see that is fine then Well it just means the range of conception is basically universal, so it's not that crazy, which is fine. Greater collective unconscious and platonic concepts probably
  5. Community_Gamer

    Arifureta Shokugyou de Sekai Saikyou Discussion Thread 2

    I don't think this applies to Type 1, but hey that's just my opinion This definitely makes conception less impressive but also realistically able to deal with.
  6. Community_Gamer

    Arifureta Shokugyou de Sekai Saikyou Discussion Thread 2

    I can the vision for Information Manipulation Type 2 but not really Type 1. I also don't see how this would make souls conceptual.
  7. Community_Gamer

    Arifureta Shokugyou de Sekai Saikyou Discussion Thread 2

    What's specific reasoning? How would you articulate it?
  8. Community_Gamer

    Arifureta Shokugyou de Sekai Saikyou Discussion Thread 2

    No clue, but other conceptions reviving is interesting.
  9. Community_Gamer

    Arifureta Shokugyou de Sekai Saikyou Discussion Thread 2

    Bro I know. I'm saying that's the method to obtaining said energy. I know what it does and how it functions. Makes sense. Unfortunately I don't think that's a conclusive enough statement since he's doesn't have the feats he'd need more statements or at least a more definitive/explicit one...
  10. Community_Gamer

    Arifureta Shokugyou de Sekai Saikyou Discussion Thread 2

    Yes I mentioned Grasp Gloria Well I mean they say it's infinite so yeah. DRAGON would need feats or universal statements, simply having infinite energy isn't a valid enough reason for Tier 3 Meh
  11. Community_Gamer

    Arifureta Shokugyou de Sekai Saikyou Discussion Thread 2

    I don't know if I'd call that example another dimension but I see what you are saying. Hmm, not really in this case. After all its Grasp Gloria and Enti/Treasure Tree maintaining no? Hajime could get somethings for creating it depending in the how.
  12. Community_Gamer

    Arifureta Shokugyou de Sekai Saikyou Discussion Thread 2

    Can't it be expanded further with Grasp Gloria?
  13. Community_Gamer

    Arifureta Shokugyou de Sekai Saikyou Discussion Thread 2

    Yeah all of this interesting but it's also quite vague and left to interpretation. I still can't definitely tell you how large the Holy Precincts are nor how many dimensions they contain. However with Eto Shin there's far less ambiguity. There are tens of thousands of dimensions that connected...
  14. Community_Gamer

    Arifureta Shokugyou de Sekai Saikyou Discussion Thread 2

    Because of this statement, unless we have something like this for the Precincts
  15. Community_Gamer

    Arifureta Shokugyou de Sekai Saikyou Discussion Thread 2

    True I forgot about the Spirit Whale.
  16. Community_Gamer

    Arifureta Shokugyou de Sekai Saikyou Discussion Thread 2

    No, hence why I asked. Ahh I see. Wait, an advanced civilization from where? Tortus? Ehit's world? I suppose so. Yes, but this incomparably larger and more impressive at least based off what we know for certainty. Interesting.
  17. Community_Gamer

    Arifureta Shokugyou de Sekai Saikyou Discussion Thread 2

    When is this even taking place?
  18. Community_Gamer

    Arifureta Shokugyou de Sekai Saikyou Discussion Thread 2

    Uhhh wtf is this even? Like I get it's a Treasure Trove with an endless amount of dimensions stored inside the grains of sand within it. But who made it? And who can manipulate the entire thing? It seems interesting but nobody scales. Well if there's a Moon then you just need to figure out the...
  19. Community_Gamer

    Arifureta Shokugyou de Sekai Saikyou Discussion Thread 2

    To an undefined degree ig
  20. Community_Gamer

    Arifureta Shokugyou de Sekai Saikyou Discussion Thread 2

    I'm speaking based on the perspective of what we know now. It shouldn't be surprising that a nearly decade-long IP has a more rich and complex power system.
  21. Community_Gamer

    Arifureta Shokugyou de Sekai Saikyou Discussion Thread 2

    I know the verse pretty well and read through most of the page...I'd would say Arifurtea is nowhere near as in-depth when it comes to Magic comparing the two.
  22. Community_Gamer

    Arifureta Shokugyou de Sekai Saikyou Discussion Thread 2

    Yeah I guess that works for now
  23. Community_Gamer

    Arifureta Shokugyou de Sekai Saikyou Discussion Thread 2

    Would you say each realm has it's own power system due to their varied energy sources? If so, how would describe each one? I can't remember if Ehit referred to Ancient Magic but another name since it originated from his realm iirc. Maybe they simply saw it as law manipulation rather magic or...
  24. Community_Gamer

    Arifureta Shokugyou de Sekai Saikyou Discussion Thread 2

    Thanks
  25. Community_Gamer

    Arifureta Shokugyou de Sekai Saikyou Discussion Thread 2

    They probably both seem to operate on similar levels although at certain point it seems like concept magic is inferior to the idea of conception. Especially considering the lengths Tio had to go through to resist said interference from DRAGON.
  26. Community_Gamer

    Arifureta Shokugyou de Sekai Saikyou Discussion Thread 2

    @EL_xWatcher1234x Can you remind whatalm were all different types of energies from each realm?
  27. Community_Gamer

    Arifureta Shokugyou de Sekai Saikyou Discussion Thread 2

    Yeah that seems align with what I'm saying. Alright Yeah but what I'm describing isn't concept magic. This moreso having absolute authority over an existing concept. Whereas concept magic is enforcing an abstract idea into reality through your own willpower. Besides Tio can probably handle...
  28. Community_Gamer

    Arifureta Shokugyou de Sekai Saikyou Discussion Thread 2

    I probably could but it'd be very theoretical at that point. Yeah well until we can properly define that distinction we aren't going to get anywhere. Wdym..... that's literally what it does all the time. Magic is just the application of mana; even raw mana can still affect fundamental aspects...
  29. Community_Gamer

    Arifureta Shokugyou de Sekai Saikyou Discussion Thread 2

    ? Are you referring to our discussion or....?
  30. Community_Gamer

    Arifureta Shokugyou de Sekai Saikyou Discussion Thread 2

    Do you want talk philosophy？ So you are saying the difference between (at least in your example) soul magic and soul based attacks as well as magic and mana must be what...being conceptual? I would generally say that mana is an energy source that can manipulate reality. Not necessarily no...
  31. Community_Gamer

    Arifureta Shokugyou de Sekai Saikyou Discussion Thread 2

    I knew that but somehow didn't think of it. Nah In reference to what Hajime I assume? Depends on the context. I could be wrong though. How can you tell? Because resisting the effects would appear the same as resisting the concept. You'd need a very specific statement or a pretty intricate...
  32. Community_Gamer

    Arifureta Shokugyou de Sekai Saikyou Discussion Thread 2

    Example? I'm forgetting. Yes. Or at least is a prerequisite. I guess, but I moreso think of it as mana powering the effect of the magic. Do you think tanking or resisting say a gravity spell from Ancient Magic gives you CM? Or another way to ask, do you think the effects of Ancient Magic...
  33. Community_Gamer

    Arifureta: Guardian Talisman PN

    We already made plans to rectify what we feel should be added to the verse page so I suppose this discussion doesn't really hold any merit. I'll conclude here.
  34. Community_Gamer

    Arifureta: Guardian Talisman PN

    I concur
  35. Community_Gamer

    Arifureta: Guardian Talisman PN

    Ahh, I see. I did miss the Guardian Talisman insert. Thank you for informing me. While I see what you are saying is correct, however it doesn't change overall purpose of my proposition. Simply saying it nullifies the Seven Ancient Magic isn't the most sufficient description when there's very...
  36. Community_Gamer

    I don't know these verses. Why do you want my vote?

    I don't know these verses. Why do you want my vote?
  37. Community_Gamer

    Arifureta Shokugyou de Sekai Saikyou Discussion Thread 2

    Yeah that seems like a perfect template for Conception and Apparations. Although depending on how much information we have on each race, then it might be better to just it on one long page dedicated to various unique and important races in Arifureta.
  38. Community_Gamer

    Arifureta Shokugyou de Sekai Saikyou Discussion Thread 2

    Yeah that probably qualifies
  39. Community_Gamer

    Arifureta Shokugyou de Sekai Saikyou Discussion Thread 2

    Well if you think we have comprehensive understanding of those energies than I say you should go ahead. We can always update the page
  40. Community_Gamer

    Arifureta Shokugyou de Sekai Saikyou Discussion Thread 2

    Sounds good
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