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His name is Walter. Walter Young. (need staff)

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Hello again! I'm back with more Hi3 revisions

This should hopefully be simple.

So in the Alien Space manga, Welt fights Murata Ryusuke who has fused with the Alien key and became a higher dimensional being that views the lower reality as a fictional novel. To defeat this enemy, Welt uses an attack called Singularity Rebuild which, as Welt explains, can use gravity to affect any dimension as gravity works the same on every dimension and can return them to the singularity where space was born from.

This is only possible because of welt's Herrscher core in which Herrscher cores are directly connected to the Imaginary space through Imaginary Singularities, which are fixed points in the imaginary space that exists in all dimensions simultaneously while carrying no dimensional information themselves (non-dimensional)

For these reasons Welt, or any herrscher who uses the Star of eden, should be able to use the 3rd power of the Star of eden, which is the Singularity Rebuild while excluding other characters who arent herrschers from this ability (future proof)

This will Grant the Star of Eden: Enhanced Gravity manip, Spatial manip, Dimensional manip and Durability Negation as well as a rating of "Low 1-C up to High 1-C with 3rd power Singularity Rebuild" with a justification with something on the lines of;

Low 1-C up to High 1-C with Singularity Rebuild ."The effect of gravity remains the same on all dimensions even higher ones, as such the Singularity Rebuild is capable of returning all dimensions to the singularity effectively breaking them down."

That should be all for now thank you!



Agree: @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless @Vietthai96 (with hax) @ActuallySpaceMan42 (Hax & Range, Enviornmental destruction scaling)

Neutral:

Disagree: @Vietthai96 (with scaling)
 
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What? I think you guys were completely forgot what i said in previous threads about rating Welt gravity hax with tier

Anyway i'm tired of this, i disagree, as i have said before, gravity works the same on all dimensions is specific cosmological charactistics belong solely to brane cosmology, you can't scale it to anywhere. It is literally stated in the statement that gravity work the same on all dimensions, that mean there is no difference in force between 3D gravity to 11D gravity, they are all the same, that is literall against the ideal of having rating because higher D should possesses superior dimensional force over lower D, the statement that gravity is the same on all dimension against it completely

Hax part is fine
 
What? I think you guys were completely forgot what i said in previous threads about rating Welt gravity hax with tier

Anyway i'm tired of this, i disagree, as i have said before, gravity works the same on all dimensions is specific cosmological charactistics belong solely to brane cosmology, you can't scale it to anywhere. It is literally stated in the statement that gravity work the same on all dimensions, that mean there is no difference in force between 3D gravity to 11D gravity, they are all the same, that is literall against the ideal of having rating because higher D should possesses superior dimensional force over lower D, the statement that gravity is the same on all dimension against it completely

Hax part is fine
Actually per wiki standards significsntly affecting higher dimensional structures of significant size is acceptable for the tier and this is exactly what welt does im not sure why this wouldnt be applicable its not going to his base stats, just a star of eden attack
 
Actually per wiki standards significsntly affecting higher dimensional structures of significant size is acceptable for the tier and this is exactly what welt does im not sure why this wouldnt be applicable its not going to his base stats, just a star of eden attack
gravity works the same on all dimensions is specific cosmological charactistics belong solely to brane cosmology, you can't scale it to anywhere. It is literally stated in the statement that gravity work the same on all dimensions, that mean there is no difference in force between 3D gravity to 11D gravity, they are all the same, that is literall against the ideal of having rating because higher D should possesses superior dimensional force over lower D, the statement that gravity is the same on all dimension against it completely
Higher D mean dimensional superiority, that mean there must be difference in force between higher D and lower D. However Singularity Rebuilt statement literall is, gravity works the same on all dimensions, this goes against the dimensional superiority standard of our wiki regarding higher D.
 
Higher D mean dimensional superiority, that mean there must be difference in force between higher D and lower D. However Singularity Rebuilt statement literall is, gravity works the same on all dimensions, this goes against the dimensional superiority standard of our wiki regarding higher D.
The issue is it says gravity works the same on every dimension, not that the force of gravity is the same on every dimension so gravity can do the same thing in every dimension (same function) but the force required to revert the axis would be different
 
Higher D mean dimensional superiority, that mean there must be difference in force between higher D and lower D. However Singularity Rebuilt statement literall is, gravity works the same on all dimensions, this goes against the dimensional superiority standard of our wiki regarding higher D.
Yet Hoyo's definition of R>F goes against VSBW's and is accepted as False R>F because of it.
Hoyo depicts a dimensional difference as R>F and thus equates to power.

And in both Hoyo and VSBW's standards, Ryusuke is stronger for his false R>F / Dimensional Superiority. The whole point of VSBW is to bridge the gap between fictions and make an appropriate crossverse format for battleboarding.

In a crossverse format, this'd be literally indexed as dealing said amount of damage to someone who has a standpoint of dimensional superiority. It one-shots Ryusuke and the dimension he's merged with. At this moment, he is a 5D being merged with a 5D space.

And you'd be totally wrong in saying it's just hax and does no damage, because it's clearly beyond 'Gravity manip, Spatial manip, Dimensional manip and Durability Negation' given it shatters the Alien Key (the dimensional weapon) in half.
 
The issue is it says gravity works the same on every dimension, not that the force of gravity is the same on every dimension so gravity can do the same thing in every dimension (same function) but the force required to revert the axis would be different
So you forgot that Brane Cosmology literally allows gravity to spread across all dimensions while orher forces are limited within the membrane?. That is the origin of the statement: gravity works the same on all dimensions. Because it is what it is, the force of gravity within thr brane cosmology is the same across all dimensions, all membrane, no difference in force at all, it is Brane Cosmology characteristics, which Honkaiverse follows, or rather, 1:1 with the theory itself

That why i said in previous threads thread that i'm fine if you guys scale tieting with UES, with gravity in the verse should not be rated, or else all gravity related ability would scales to the entire cosmology, not just Singularity Rebuilt
 
Yet Hoyo's definition of R>F goes against VSBW's and is accepted as False R>F because of it.
Hoyo depicts a dimensional difference as R>F and thus equates to power.

And in both Hoyo and VSBW's standards, Ryusuke is stronger for his false R>F / Dimensional Superiority. The whole point of VSBW is to bridge the gap between fictions and make an appropriate crossverse format for battleboarding.
Dude what? This have nothing to do with the issue in this thread, i'm not talking about tiering of the cosmology, i'm talking about the characteristics of brane cosmology that allows gravity to have the same force across all its dimensions, membranes. Did you guys even understand what i said?
 
Dude what? This have nothing to do with the issue in this thread, i'm not talking about tiering of the cosmology, i'm talking about the characteristics of brane cosmology that allows gravity to have the same force across all its dimensions, membranes. Did you guys even understand what i said?
I'm going over why it's inaccurate to say that Singularity Rebuild has no AP, given it 1-taps a 5D dimension.

That why i said in previous threads thread that i'm fine if you guys scale tieting with UES, with gravity in the verse should not be rated, or else all gravity related ability would scales to the entire cosmology, not just Singularity Rebuilt
Also we obviously don't do this, given that Welt needs to specifically realise the ability to manipulate higher-dimensional gravity, something neither of the Herrschers of Stars do.
 
So you forgot that Brane Cosmology literally allows gravity to spread across all dimensions while orher forces are limited within the membrane?. That is the origin of the statement: gravity works the same on all dimensions. Because it is what it is, the force of gravity within thr brane cosmology is the same across all dimensions, all membrane, no difference in force at all, it is Brane Cosmology characteristics, which Honkaiverse follows, or rather, 1:1 with the theory itself
Could you explain what other forces are limited to their branes?

Thats not even what the brane cosmology says it even says the force of gravity is different
That why i said in previous threads thread that i'm fine if you guys scale tieting with UES, with gravity in the verse should not be rated, or else all gravity related ability would scales to the entire cosmology, not just Singularity Rebuilt
Thats not at all how that works. The only geavity attack to affect dimensions by their axis’ specifically due to gravity is the singularity rebuild theres multiple instances of gravity being used without affecting the entire cosmology
 
I'm going over why it's inaccurate to say that Singularity Rebuild has no AP, given it 1-taps a 5D dimension
Because it is literally how gravity works in the verse, or rather the brane cosnology that the verse use, Welt can't reach Ryuusuke, until he realizes gravity works on all dimensions thus allows Welt to reach the guy, the rest is just hax doing its works
 
Because it is literally how gravity works in the verse, or rather the brane cosnology that the verse use, Welt can't reach Ryuusuke, until he realizes gravity works on all dimensions thus allows Welt to reach the guy, the rest is just hax doing its works
Welt couldnt reach ryusuke because his mind was stuck in 3D space. Once he ascended his mind with the herrscher core he could block ryusuke and use singularity rebuild
 
Because it is literally how gravity works in the verse, or rather the brane cosnology that the verse use, Welt can't reach Ryuusuke, until he realizes gravity works on all dimensions thus allows Welt to reach the guy, the rest is just hax doing its works
Yes but Ryusuke is accepted as 5D under false R>F, thus Singularity Rebuild should be indexed as such. Ryusuke is literally operating on a 5D framework merged with a 5D dimension.

For VSBW's sakes, especially within a UES verse, that is 5D and gives him 5D stats.

Welt 1-shots this with Singularity Rebuild, doing literal damage to the Alien Key, thus it'd be indexed as AP.
 
Are we really saying that Lan’s planetary arrows are blowing up the cosmology? Come on now, gravity obviously doesnt have the same force on every dimension thats not even a thing in brane cosmology

 
Welt couldnt reach ryusuke because his mind was stuck in 3D space. Once he ascended his mind with the herrscher core he could block ryusuke and use singularity rebuild
Actually this scan literally debunks your entire argument because he has to understand the framework of higher dimensions to be able to use this ability, which would mean gravity isnt the same on every dimension it just has the same function.

Gravity works the same on every dimension ≠ the force of gravity is the same on every dimension
 
A knife has the same function on every food, it cuts things. But would you say the force to cut a steak is equivalent to the force to cut asparagus? I mean knives work the same on every dish no?
 
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