Mcu Spider-Man H1C

EfeTahir7 · 2026-06-13T00:04:15+0100

StrikingMosquito245 said:
Gördüğüm kadarıyla, bu durum aykırı değerler için belirlenen her bir noktayı ihlal ediyor:
1) Güçte büyük bir sıçrama mı yoksa düşüş mü var? Şehir yıkımı konusunda birçok başarısı olan bir karakterin bir dağı yok edebildiği gösterilirse, bu durum mutlaka bir istisna olarak değerlendirilemez; çünkü aralarındaki enerji değerlerindeki sıçramaya rağmen, seviyeler arasındaki sıçrama aşırı derecede büyük değildir. Karakterin çok az başarısı varsa, bu noktayı muhtemelen göz ardı edebiliriz.

If a character has a bit feat for a higher level, it wouldn't already have a building level and would scale to a higher level.

StrikingMosquito245 said:
2) Bu benzersiz veya istisnai bir olay mı? Benzer düzeydeki olaylar zaman içinde tutarlı bir şekilde tekrarlanıyorsa, bunların aykırı olma olasılığı düşüktür. Genellikle üçüncü olaydan itibaren. Karakterin çok az başarısı varsa, bu noktayı da atlayabiliriz.

This is entirely a method of denial; a character doesn't have to constantly demonstrate success, it can be scaled with just one scene.

StrikingMosquito245 said:
3) Olay açıklanamaz ve gerekçesiz mi? Aşırı bir olay, onu haklı çıkaracak herhangi bir açıklama ile birlikte gelmiyorsa, muhtemelen istisnai bir durumdur. Ancak bir güç artışı, zayıflık veya sınırlayıcı mekanizma ile açıklanabiliyorsa, muhtemelen istisnai bir durum değildir. Süpermen bir kurşunla yaralanırsa, muhtemelen istisnai bir durumdur. Ancak Süpermen kırmızı güneş ışığının etkisi altındaysa veya daha önce Kriptonit ile zayıflatılmışsa, istisnai bir durum değildir.

Prove that this is an exceptional case.

StrikingMosquito245 said:
4) Bu olay, önceden belirlenmiş güç sıralamasını bozuyor mu? Burada, benzer karakterlerin varsayımsal aykırı değerle benzer seviyede yeteneklere veya ifadelere sahip olması, aykırı değerin benzer bir seviyeyi gösterebilecek dövüşlerle desteklenmemesi veya onu bir şekilde çelişen sonraki olaylar veya ifadeler gibi bir dizi faktörü dikkate almalıyız.

When was Spider-Man ever defeated by someone of a lower level? And if someone defeats Spider-Man, Spider-Man doesn't fall; the person who defeats Spider-Man becomes H1C.

StrikingMosquito245 said:
5) Olay, eserin anlatısıyla çelişiyor mu? Birçok kez, aykırı bir olay, bir eserde daha önce ortaya konan veya gösterilenlerle çelişerek, iki olaydan birini geçersiz kılmadığımız sürece çözülmesi zor tutarsızlıklar yaratır. Örneğin, bir karakter daha önce açıkça mermilerden kaçtığı görülmüş olmasına rağmen, mermilerden kaçamadığını iddia ediyorsa, muhtemelen daha güvenilir kanıtı kullanmak zorunda kalacağımız bir çelişkiyle karşı karşıyayız.

Prove that there is a contradiction.

DarkLock92 · 2026-06-13T00:04:16+0100

EfeTahir7 · 2026-06-13T00:04:49+0100

Planck69 said:
...Do you know what an outlier is? Spiderman has no other feat close to what you are proposing. That is an outlier.

And even then, this isn't an AP feat.

I already delivered a feat by scaling things down.

EfeTahir7 · 2026-06-13T00:07:21+0100

DaReaperMan said:
The entirety of Far From Home, No Way Home, and Brand New Day. There's my outliers. Every time Peter does anything or gets hurt by being thrown into a wall or something.

In this case, Peter doesn't experience a fall; whatever is harming Peter becomes H1C.

Cipher72 · 2026-06-13T00:07:50+0100

So why exactly are we arguing that Spiderman is relative to the Infinity stones via resisting the "effects(hax)" of the snap, furthermore why are we saying that Spiderman was able to resist it when he very clearly didn't and his resistance was nothing more than a dramatic moment, it's your burden to prove otherwise and a hefty one at that. That aside if Spiderman is indeed H1-C that makes a ton of people H1-C which roughly puts them in the same park as Infinity Ultron and said people got damaged by meteorites and other conventional weaponry.

YmTheSuper · 2026-06-13T00:07:55+0100

EfeTahir7 said:
In this case, Peter doesn't experience a fall; whatever is harming Peter becomes H1C.

High 1-C wall

DarkLock92 · 2026-06-13T00:08:48+0100

EfeTahir7 said:
In this case, Peter doesn't experience a fall; whatever is harming Peter becomes H1C.

A regular train is 11D?
Son

KLOL506 · 2026-06-13T00:09:16+0100

EfeTahir7 said:
In this case, Peter doesn't experience a fall; whatever is harming Peter becomes H1C.

So 20 m falls are now High 1-C? Walls now have High 1-C dura? High 1-C ordinary folk?

703503764_18113193700886077_2279273649120528579_n.heic

EfeTahir7 · 2026-06-13T00:09:40+0100

YmTheSuper said:
Bu konuyu ciddiye almak istememiştim ama görünüşe göre bu gerçek bir teklifmiş, bu yüzden tüm yanlış noktaları burada paylaşacağım:

Dormammu'nun 11 boyutlu olması, onu Yüksek 1C yapmaz. Yüksek 1C seviyesine ulaşmak için önemli büyüklükte 11 boyutlu bir evreni yok etmeniz gerekir.

11-dimensional characters or objects will be considered H1C.

YmTheSuper said:
Sonsuzluk Taşlarının Dormammu'yu durdurabilmesinin saldırı güçleriyle hiçbir ilgisi yok; çoğunun fiziksel saldırılarla alakası olmayan, olağanüstü yetenekleri var.

The time stone is already affecting Dormammu; I've proven it.

YmTheSuper said:
Peter'ın hayatta kalmasının tek sebebi dramatik etki yaratmaktı. Eğer gerçekten direnseydi, bu sadece yıkıma karşı bir direniş olurdu ve AP ile hiçbir ilgisi olmazdı. Ayrıca onu öldüren bir şeye göre ölçeklendirmek de mantıklı değil. (Ayrıca ölçeklendirme zinciri de mantıklı olmazdı, sanırım Infinity War'dan sonra ortaya çıkan her Örümcek Adam düşmanı Yüksek 1-C seviyesinde.)

Prove that this is nothing but drama.

YmTheSuper said:
Tüm bunların yanı sıra, bunun son derece saçma bir istisna olacağı gerçeği de var.

only denial and rebellion

YmTheSuper said:
Filmlerde gerçekten 1-C seviyesinde olduğuna ve öyle gösterildiğine mi inanıyorsunuz, yoksa sadece en sevdiğiniz karakterlerden biri olduğu için profilinde 1. seviye olarak listelenmesini mi istiyorsunuz?

EfeTahir7 · 2026-06-13T00:10:31+0100

YmTheSuper said:
High 1-C wall

This is valid in marvel

Power-scaling Rules for Marvel and DC Comics

There are several massive problems with using power-scaling for these two prominent franchises that have shared hundreds of different authors over several decades. Said writers naturally tend to have highly differing opinions and interpretations, which is reflected in their stories. Quite often...

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EfeTahir7 · 2026-06-13T00:11:06+0100

KLOL506 said:
So 20 m falls are now High 1-C? Walls now have High 1-C dura? High 1-C ordinary folk?

This is accepted at Marvel.

Power-scaling Rules for Marvel and DC Comics

There are several massive problems with using power-scaling for these two prominent franchises that have shared hundreds of different authors over several decades. Said writers naturally tend to have highly differing opinions and interpretations, which is reflected in their stories. Quite often...

vsbattles.fandom.com

EfeTahir7 · 2026-06-13T00:11:42+0100

DarkLock92 said:
A regular train is 11D?
Son

Yeah

Power-scaling Rules for Marvel and DC Comics

There are several massive problems with using power-scaling for these two prominent franchises that have shared hundreds of different authors over several decades. Said writers naturally tend to have highly differing opinions and interpretations, which is reflected in their stories. Quite often...

vsbattles.fandom.com

DarkLock92 · 2026-06-13T00:12:11+0100

Dawg that's for the comics not the MCU

EfeTahir7 · 2026-06-13T00:12:39+0100

Cipher72 said:
So why exactly are we arguing that Spiderman is relative to the Infinity stones via resisting the "effects(hax)" of the snap, furthermore why are we saying that Spiderman was able to resist it when he very clearly didn't and his resistance was nothing more than a dramatic moment, it's your burden to prove otherwise and a hefty one at that. That aside if Spiderman is indeed H1-C that makes a ton of people H1-C which roughly puts them in the same park as Infinity Ultron and said people got damaged by meteorites and other conventional weaponry.

Saying "it was for drama" doesn't refute the argument; prove it.

YmTheSuper · 2026-06-13T00:13:37+0100

EfeTahir7 said:
11-dimensional characters or objects will be considered H1C.

Will be according to who? If you think that they should be then make a staff thread because as far as our policies are concerned that's not how tier 1 works.

EfeTahir7 said:
The time stone is already affecting Dormammu; I've proven it.

Again, that's hax, aka an ability that has nothing to do with attack potency or with attacking others physically and damaging them.

EfeTahir7 said:
Prove that this is nothing but drama.

Doesn't change the fact that this has nothing to do with attack potency and that you're trying to scale someone to something that killed him. I guess if a character gets hit by an attack and dies from it at the hospital they scale to that attack because they didn't die instantly.

EfeTahir7 said:
only denial and rebellion

sure.

DaReaperMan · 2026-06-13T00:13:43+0100

EfeTahir7 said:
In this case, Peter doesn't experience a fall; whatever is harming Peter becomes H1C.

High 1-C basic concrete pillar that Doctor Octopus slams Peter into. This means Concrete in the MCU is High 1-C, and oh shit you just made the entire verse High 1-C.

Maniaunavailable · 2026-06-13T00:14:00+0100

EfeTahir7 said:
Ryan Meinerding, Vice President of Visual Development and Creative Director at Marvel Studios, says Dormammu is 11D, which makes Dormammu H1C.

it all goes down from here cuz anyone can say they are 20KD but you need to prove it works as a 20KD cosmology lul

EfeTahir7 · 2026-06-13T00:14:24+0100

DarkLock92 said:
Dawg that's for the comics not the MCU

Marvel comics and Mcu in the same cosmology

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F9nIA5UXQAAb4q_?format=jpg&name=large

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11140/111403694/8835564-9328937340-image.png

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11140/111403694/8835539-6052099619-unkno.png

DarkLock92 · 2026-06-13T00:14:48+0100

DaReaperMan said:
High 1-C basic concrete pillar that Doctor Octopus slams Peter into. This means Concrete in the MCU is High 1-C, and oh shit you just made the entire verse High 1-C.

The fact that this is straight up what he's pushing...

KLOL506 · 2026-06-13T00:14:55+0100

Someone just close this thread. OP is terribly misinformed as to how this wiki works.

DaReaperMan · 2026-06-13T00:16:05+0100

EfeTahir7 said:
Marvel comics and Mcu in the same cosmology

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F9nIA5UXQAAb4q_?format=jpg&name=large

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11140/111403694/8835564-9328937340-image.png

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11140/111403694/8835539-6052099619-unkno.png

That's not accepted here. Last time that was tried, you got Mr. Head Bureaucrat shutting it down.

DarkLock92 · 2026-06-13T00:16:09+0100

EfeTahir7 said:
Snip

Doesn't matter, the wiki's rules are only for the comics

EfeTahir7 · 2026-06-13T00:16:31+0100

YmTheSuper said:
Will be according to who? If you think that they should be then make a staff thread because as far as our policies are concerned that's not how tier 1 works.

vsbw agrees with what I'm saying, you're currently contradicting the site.

YmTheSuper said:
Again, that's hax, aka an ability that has nothing to do with attack potency or with attacking others physically and damaging them.

Thanks to this ability, they can gain AP, ultimately affecting an entity that is 11D.

YmTheSuper said:
Doesn't change the fact that this has nothing to do with attack potency and that you're trying to scale someone to something that killed him. I guess if a character gets hit by an attack and dies from it at the hospital they scale to that attack because they didn't die instantly.

Spider-Man, who briefly withstands the power of the Infinity Stones, becomes equally powerful.

YmTheSuper said:
sure.

Cipher72 · 2026-06-13T00:16:57+0100

EfeTahir7 said:
In this case, Peter doesn't experience a fall; whatever is harming Peter becomes H1C.

H1-C Gravity

KLOL506 · 2026-06-13T00:16:57+0100

DarkLock92 said:
Doesn't matter, the wiki's rules are only for the comics

I doubt this whole nonsense about "Ordinary stuff is High 1-C" flies in the comics either.

Natsuki012 · 2026-06-13T00:17:16+0100

I want to point out that the 11d statement comes from Ryan Meinerding, who is just the concept artist and character designer for the MCU , so the statement is probably not even reliable

EfeTahir7 · 2026-06-13T00:18:00+0100

DarkLock92 said:
Doesn't matter, the wiki's rules are only for the comics

If they both belong to the same cosmology, then this text will also be valid within the MCU.

DaReaperMan · 2026-06-13T00:18:07+0100

KLOL506 said:
I doubt this whole nonsense about "Ordinary stuff is High 1-C" flies in the comics either.

It doesn't. At all.

EfeTahir7 · 2026-06-13T00:19:17+0100

Natsuki012 said:
I want to point out that the 11d statement comes from Ryan Meinerding, who is just the concept artist and character designer for the MCU , so the statement is probably not even reliable

Statements made by someone who owns the copyright will be considered third-degree canon, and third-degree canons will be valid unless there is a contradiction.

Cipher72 · 2026-06-13T00:19:36+0100

EfeTahir7 said:
Saying "it was for drama" doesn't refute the argument; prove it

The Burden is on you to prove the validity of the "resistance" attributed to this specific scene which can be dismissed under the context of mere dramatic effect. It's your positive burden to show your position holds any merit whatsoever given the context and the narrative I don't have to prove anything because by all means I can dismiss the entire "resistance" argument by saying it's a darama.

DaReaperMan · 2026-06-13T00:20:08+0100

EfeTahir7 said:
If they both belong to the same cosmology, then this text will also be valid within the MCU.

Do I need to spend like 30 minutes tracking down when that was attempted and shot down with a thousand helstorm rockets just to get you to not claim this?

EfeTahir7 · 2026-06-13T00:21:58+0100

Cipher72 said:
The Burden is on you to prove the validity of the "resistance" attributed to this specific scene which can be dismissed under the context of mere dramatic effect. It's your positive burden to show your position holds any merit whatsoever given the context and the narrative I don't have to prove anything because by all means I can dismiss the entire "resistance" argument by saying it's a darama.

I've already proven that Spider-Man relies on the power of the stones, but you're saying it's just drama and offering no proof; that's a subjective opinion and not a refutation.

Pyro9278 · 2026-06-13T00:22:10+0100

Even if we assume the entire argument is "okay" wouldn't Spider-Man still just get disintegrated anyway? I mean, it's like having your head smashed in, but it still scales to that attack lmao

Maniaunavailable · 2026-06-13T00:22:11+0100

EfeTahir7 said:
Statements made by someone who owns the copyright will be considered third-degree canon, and third-degree canons will be valid unless there is a contradiction.

companion

DarkLock92 · 2026-06-13T00:22:21+0100

Wait is OP referring to this part of the rules?
If so then they're literally examples of why this type of scaling is asinine

EfeTahir7 · 2026-06-13T00:23:32+0100

Pyro9278 said:
Even if we assume the entire argument is "okay" wouldn't Spider-Man still just get disintegrated anyway? I mean, it's like having your head smashed in, but it still scales to that attack lmao

I'm not saying Spider-Man is superior to the Infinity Stones, but the fact that he could withstand their power for a short time makes Spider-Man comparable to them.

DaReaperMan · 2026-06-13T00:24:00+0100

[MCU] Canon to the Comics/High 1-B Meta. Massively controversial topic

Canon crossover evidence MCU This December, behold the adventures of the agency tasked with upholding the timestream in TVA! Just announced by Marvel Studios President Kevin Feige and Marvel Comics Editor-in-Chief C.B. Cebulski at the Marvel Fanfare Panel at San Diego Comic-Con, TVA will be a...

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Ah there it is. And here's Antvasima, the Head Bureaucrat, calling it a disaster in the making. MCU does not scale to comics. Find another scapegoat.

DarkLock92 · 2026-06-13T00:24:08+0100

DaReaperMan said:
Do I need to spend like 30 minutes tracking down when that was attempted and shot down with a thousand helstorm rockets just to get you to not claim this?

Don't bother, this is gonna get closed in like, 10 minutes

Cipher72 · 2026-06-13T00:24:27+0100

EfeTahir7 said:
I've already proven that Spider-Man relies on the power of the stones,

????
Your translator is botched my guy. Nowhere have you proven that spiderman resisted the power of the stones because the feat you are using to assert the validity of your statement is what's under question you can't use the very feat under question as a valid proof or evidence.....

Natsuki012 · 2026-06-13T00:24:49+0100

EfeTahir7 said:
I'm not saying Spider-Man is superior to the Infinity Stones, but the fact that he could withstand their power for a short time makes Spider-Man comparable to them.

how is he comparable if he ******* died?

Mcu Spider-Man H1C

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