Mcu Spider-Man H1C

[EfeTahir7]

Ryan Meinerding, Vice President of Visual Development and Creative Director at Marvel Studios, says Dormammu is 11D, which makes Dormammu H1C.

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Doctor Strange encounters Dormammu, and only one of the stones, the Time Stone, manages to affect him. Furthermore, the book accompanying the film states that powerful entities like the Infinity Stones could frighten Dormammu, withstand his severe attacks, and even have an effect on him

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After Thanos collects the 6 stones and snaps his fingers, half of the world's population begins to disappear, including Doctor Strange, StarLord, Black Panther, Wanda Maximoff, and Bucky. These individuals and others cannot resist or fight back once the stones begin to take effect. However, Spider-Man can temporarily resist the stones' influence and withstand their power for a limited time. The MCU Spider-Man is scaling to the Infinity Stones.

 

[Lycoris4812]

Holy downplay.

 

[YmTheSuper]

Is this meant to be in Fun and Games?

 

[Comiphorous]

Didn’t someone make this exact same thread like two weeks ago?

Edit: yes they did and it’s the same user.

 

[EfeTahir7]

Didn’t someone make this exact same thread like two weeks ago?

Edit: yes they did and it’s the same user.

That person is me

 

[Nonynho]

That person is me

This a joke?

 

[Nonynho]

However, Spider-Man can temporarily resist the stones' influence and withstand their power for a limited time. The MCU Spider-Man is scaling to the Infinity Stones.

it took approximately the same time for him to disappear as it took Strange and Fury, that is 100% not what happened

 

[EfeTahir7]

it took approximately the same time for him to disappear as it took Strange and Fury, that is 100% not what happened

Strange and Fury never offered any resistance, but Spider-Man managed to get back on his feet and withstand the power of the stones for a while, which shows that Spider-Man only withstood the stones for a short time, and Spider-Man should be at least on the same level as the Infinity Stones

 

[Nonynho]

Strange and Fury never offered any resistance, but Spider-Man managed to get back on his feet and withstand the power of the stones for a while, which shows that Spider-Man only withstood the stones for a short time, and Spider-Man should be at least on the same level as the Infinity Stones

Do we know for certain how exactly was the process of their dematerialization for you to be so sure that him getting back on his feet is good enough to qualify for resistance? All we know is that it was quite painful, but why is also Black Panther's taking a bit to die not enough to qualify?
Also, did he last much longer than anyone? I think measuring at least some examples in seconds for us to compare would be good for taking a grasp of whether we get this as a resistance or not

 

[Kranktoes]

 

[Hellscream]

 

[EfeTahir7]

Do we know for certain how exactly was the process of their dematerialization for you to be so sure that him getting back on his feet is good enough to qualify for resistance? All we know is that it was quite painful, but why is also Black Panther's taking a bit to die not enough to qualify?
Also, did he last much longer than anyone? I think measuring at least some examples in seconds for us to compare would be good for taking a grasp of whether we get this as a resistance or not

You have a point, but you're covering the scenes a bit too broadly. The characters you mentioned survived before the pollination process had begun, but Spider-Man was able to resist even after pollination started. You don't have to limit resistance to a specific time period.

 

[Nonynho]

broken image goes brrr

 

[Planck69]

Yeah, no. He is dusted like everyone else. That he stays slightly longer for drama purposes doesn't change that. And even assuming we were to entertain this, it'd be Resistance to Deconstruction, not anything approaching physical statistics.

 

[Mommyleona]

Makes sense to me. Would people who fight and injure Peter scale too?

 

[Nonynho]

You have a point, but you're covering the scenes a bit too broadly. The characters you mentioned survived before the pollination process had begun, but Spider-Man was able to resist even after pollination started. You don't have to limit resistance to a specific time period.

1. how much time they're able to resist it makes it easier to grasp who we can maybe call out to "Resist the infinity stones"
2. What pollination process? Where is the evidence that it became stronger of an effect after that?
3. If pollination makes it stronger and he ended up being deleted just like everyone else and in the same timeframe, what makes you think that he resisted what no one else could?
4. where is a direct statement that he could, even if briefly, stave off the effects of the stones?
5. why would anyone who's not 11d h1c able to damage him if he indeed could resist the effects of the stones?
6. why specifically spider-man would have a resistance anyone else has only for an emotional scene with Iron-Man? And why no author, director, person-involved-creatively-with-the-movie, etc has ever said this is him resisting?
7. if he's resisting just to die the same way while just saying he doesn't feel good, then why should we put this as a resistance after all?

 

[KLOL506]

 

[Hellscream]

 

[EfeTahir7]

Makes sense to me. Would people who fight and injure Peter scale too?

Yes, that's true for Peter after the Infinity War.

 

[EfeTahir7]

Yeah, no. He is dusted like everyone else. That he stays slightly longer for drama purposes doesn't change that. And even assuming we were to entertain this, it'd be Resistance to Deconstruction, not anything approaching physical statistics.

Prove that his survival is for dramatic purposes, because for example, in Strange he spoke but turned to dust without offering any resistance, while Peter, despite starting to turn to dust, was able to withstand the power of the stones for a certain period of time.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Let's assume this is entirely correct.

It's a huge outlier for everyone involved. not a small one either, jumping from 8-C to High 1-C is such a huge jump that the fact that No Way Home is relatively grounded still renders the entire premise an outlier. 38 tier jump everyone. That is how genuinely not good this is.

 

[EfeTahir7]

1. Ne kadar süre direnebildikleri, "Sonsuzluk taşlarına direnin" diye kime seslenebileceğimizi anlamayı kolaylaştırıyor.

It's not the time that matters, Peter was able to show resistance once the pollination effect started.

1. Hangi tozlaşma süreci? Bundan sonra etkinin daha da güçlendiğine dair kanıt nerede?

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1. Eğer tozlaşma onu daha güçlü kılıyorsa ve o da herkes gibi aynı zaman diliminde silinip gittiyse, onun başka hiç kimsenin direnemediği bir amaç için direndiğini düşünmenize ne sebep oluyor?

Only Peter was able to withstand it because Peter was physically stronger than the others and had the strength to withstand the stones.

1. Taşların olduğu kısa bir süreliğine de olsa savuşturabileceğine dair doğrudan bir ifade nerede var?

In the film, everyone quickly disappears when the dusting effect begins, but Peter's body can withstand the stones.

1. Eğer gerçekten taşların etkileri ortaya çıkabiliyorsa, 11d h1c olmayan herhangi bir kişinin ona zarar vermesinin nedeni ne olabilir ki?

Those who harm Peter become H1C, Peter does not experience a downfall.

1. Örümcek Adam'ın, sadece Demir Adam'la olan duygusal bir sahnede diğer karakterlerinin gösterdiği bir direnişi göstermesinin nedeni ne olabilir? Ve neden hiçbir yazar, yönetmen, film yaratıcı ekibinde yer alan kişi vb. bunun direnişi olduğunu söylemedi mi?

Nobody needs to tell you this is an act of resistance; we already see Peter's resistance in the film, and if you think this scene is just about sentimentality, prove it.

1. Eğer sadece kendini iyi tutabiliyorsan aynı şekilde ölmek için direniyorsa, o zaman bunu neden direniş olarak değerlendirelim ki?

Because it wasn't easy for the stones to destroy Peter; Peter was able to withstand the power of the stones.

 

[EfeTahir7]

Let's assume this is entirely correct.

It's a huge outlier for everyone involved. not a small one either, jumping from 8-C to High 1-C is such a huge jump that the fact that No Way Home is relatively grounded still renders the entire premise an outlier. 38 tier jump everyone. That is how genuinely not good this is.

This isn't a debunking; it's simply a method of rebellion and a comment made to avoid acceptance.

 

[Infinitinet]

I think this should be moved to fun and games.

Also, thematically this is a wild postulation.

Peter was not depicted to resist them and him taking so long can easily be gestured to his being superhuman.

 

[DaReaperMan]

This isn't a debunking; it's simply a method of rebellion and a comment made to avoid acceptance.

Outliers

An Outlier is an event or incident that is considered to be completely and irreconcilably inconsistent with a character, entity, group, or series' normal displayed level of power. Outliers are often regarded as unusable in forum debates. However, efforts should be made to try to reconcile...

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The difference between Comics Black Panther and Silver Surfer, one of the examples on this page, is several tiers LESS than the jump you're trying to make with a single feat.

 

[EfeTahir7]

Bence bu, eğlence ve oyunlar bölümüne taşınmalı.

Ayrıca, tematik olarak bu oldukça uçuk bir varsayım.

Peter'ın onlara karşı koyduğu gösterilmedi ve bu kadar uzun süre beklemesi, onun insanüstü güçlere sahip olduğuna kolayca işaret edilebilir.

Eğer durum böyleyse, neden bu tür bir direnişi başka bir karakterde görmedik?

 

[EfeTahir7]

Outliers

An Outlier is an event or incident that is considered to be completely and irreconcilably inconsistent with a character, entity, group, or series' normal displayed level of power. Outliers are often regarded as unusable in forum debates. However, efforts should be made to try to reconcile...

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Bu sayfadaki örneklerden biri olan çizgi romanlardaki Kara Panter ve Gümüş Sörfçü arasındaki fark, tek bir başarıyla yapmaya çalıştığınız sıçramadan birkaç kademe DAHA AZ.

Konuyu saptırdın, Örümcek Adam konusundan uzaklaştın ve cevap vermeyerek söylediklerimi görmezden geldin.

 

[Planck69]

Prove that his survival is for dramatic purposes, because for example, in Strange he spoke but turned to dust without offering any resistance, while Peter, despite starting to turn to dust, was able to withstand the power of the stones for a certain period of time.

I don't need to prove he doesn't resist because he turns to dust not even 10 seconds later. By your logic, every single human is High 1-C because they withstand it for a second or two and you can't numerically downscale from Tier 2/1 into lower tiers.

I really hope I don't need to explain to you why Nick Fury isn't High Complex Multiverse level.

Also, as Reaper said, this would be an outlier even if you were correct.

 

[EfeTahir7]

Onun direnmediğini kanıtlamama gerek yok çünkü 10 saniye sonra bile toza dönüşüyor. Sizin mantığınıza göre, her insan Yüksek 1-C seviyesinde çünkü bir iki saniye dayanabiliyor ve 2/1. seviyeden daha düşük seviyelere sayısal olarak indirgeme yapamazsınız.

Umarım Nick Fury'nin neden Yüksek Karmaşık Çoklu Evren seviyesinde olmadığını size açıklamak zorunda kalmam.

Ayrıca, Reaper'ın da dediği gibi, haklı olsanız bile bu istisnai bir durum olurdu.

Nick Fury disappeared immediately after the pollination effect began, but Spider-Man managed to counteract it once the effect started.

 

[Planck69]

Nick Fury, tozlaşma etkisinin hemen ardından ortadan kayboldu, ancak Spider-Man etki başladıktan sonra ona karşı koymayı başardı.

Please do post in English.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Konuyu saptırdın, Örümcek Adam konusundan uzaklaştın ve cevap vermeyerek söylediklerimi görmezden geldin.

If you do not have a counter for the feat being a huge outlier bigger than the feats on the page, then my vote against this CRT stands.

 

[EfeTahir7]

If you do not have a counter for the feat being a huge outlier bigger than the feats on the page, then my vote against this CRT stands.

You haven't proven that there are any outliers for Spider-Man.

 

[Infinitinet]

Eğer durum böyleyse, neden bu tür bir direnişi başka bir karakterde görmedik?

Technically both Thanos and the Hulk resisted it.

 

[EfeTahir7]

Technically both Thanos and the Hulk resisted it.

Thanos is already H1C, but Hulk didn't resist him.

 

[StrikingMosquito245]

You haven't proven that there are any outliers for Spider-Man.

From what I have seen it breaks every single point for outlier here:
1) Is it a big jump or drop in power? If a character with several city destruction feats is shown to be able to destroy a mountain, we cannot necessarily consider it as an outlier, for the reason that the jump between tiers is not extreme enough to be so, despite the jump between energy values we attribute to them. If the character has very few feats, we can likely ignore this point.

2) Is it a unique or exceptional incident? If incidents of a similar level are repeated consistently over time, they are unlikely to be outliers. Usually, from the third incident onwards. If the character has very few feats, we can also likely skip this point.

3) Is the event unexplained and unjustified? If an extreme incident is not accompanied by any kind of explanation that justifies it, it is probably an outlier. But if it can be explained by means of some power-up, vulnerability, or limiter, it is likely not. If Superman is wounded by a bullet, it's probably an outlier. But if Superman was under the influence of red sunlight or was previously weakened with Kryptonite, it is not.

4) Does the event break the previously established power-scaling? Here we must take into account a number of factors, such as comparable characters possessing feats or statements of a similar level to the hypothetical outlier, the outlier not being supported by fights that might suggest a similar level, or subsequent events or statements that contradict it in some way.

5) Does the event break with the narrative of the work? Many times an outlier breaks with what has been previously established or shown in a work, creating inconsistencies that are difficult to resolve unless we invalidate one of the two events. If, for example, a character claims not to be able to dodge bullets, even though he was previously seen dodging them explicitly, we are faced with a contradiction where we will probably have to resort to using the more reliable evidence.

 

[Apotheosis69]

 

[Planck69]

You haven't proven that there are any outliers for Spider-Man.

...Do you know what an outlier is? Spiderman has no other feat close to what you are proposing. That is an outlier.

And even then, this isn't an AP feat.

 

[DaReaperMan]

You haven't proven that there are any outliers for Spider-Man.

The entirety of Far From Home, No Way Home, and Brand New Day. There's my outliers. Every time Peter does anything or gets hurt by being thrown into a wall or something.

 

[YmTheSuper]

I didn't want to acknowledge this thread as serious but since it seems that this is an actual proposal will just drop everything wrong with this here:

• Dormammu being 11D, doesn't make him H1C. You need to destroy an 11-dimensional universe of significant size to qualify to High 1-C.
• The Infinity Stones being able to stop Dormammu has nothing to do with their AP, most of them have hax abilities that have nothing to do with physical attacks.
• Peter only survived a bit longer for dramatic effect. If he actually resisted it it would just be resistance to deconstruction with nothing to do with AP. Also scaling him to something that killed him makes no sense. (Also the scaling chain would make no sense, I guess every Spider-Man villain that appears after Infinity War is High 1-C)
• All of this along with the fact that this would be a ridiculous outlier.

Like do you actually believe that he is High 1-C in the movies and is portrayed as such or do you just want tier 1 in his profile because he's one of your favorite characters and you want to see him be listed as strong?

 

[KLOL506]

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