If everything you've used to reach your conclusion is in the OP, then your reasoning is insufficient.
I did not assume you would get hung up on the gun analogy, given what I previously mentioned. Being able to do a 2-A ability, does not necessarily, fundamentally give 2-A durability. The things are often connected, but it is not the base case. You've said, at this point, that the CRT more or less hinges on this assumption being true, but it is not.
I haven't predetermined anything, and the accusatory half-insults are going to become tiring very quickly. I asked you to defend the assumption that the Zero Point had a 2-A dura, and you haven't. You have simply suggested I take it at face value. This is not the standard of the wiki.
This is such an egregious leap of logic that I don't even know where to begin.
"Consume" means to eat. He was going to eat it. You are extrapolating from a word meaning "eat", that he was going to absorb it and gain its power, when nothing else seems to suggest this is the case.
You have constantly appealed to authority in this discussion (more or less deriding me for not falling in line with the evaluations of other staff members), when this does not fix the inherent flaws in the assumptions you lay out. That they glossed over them is not my issue.
This isn't an assumption, man. You are the one giving me assumptions. I am telling you that we have no reason to assume this. And no, that isn't how powerscaling works at all. If it was, glass cannons would not exist. We require satisfactory reasoning for a character to scale in durability and AP. 99% of the time, that is indeed the case, characters and objects frequently and typically do share them, but it is not the fundamental truth of the matter. It does not require an exception for me to ask you to give me the reasoning-- for something to be taken as true, we need a reason to do so. You have given me literally no reason to follow your assumptions, and instead have gotten rather aggressive when asked to provide reasoning at all.
It is not.
You haven't outright shown anything.
Newton's Third Law doesn't apply to things above a 3-D capacity (e.g., the creation of a multiverse).
Because fictitious things like energy blasts do not fundamentally follow things like that. We assume Newton's Third Law for things like Hulk punching someone-- clearly his fist can tank the damage, it was part of the collision-- but not necessarily Doctor Strange generating a bolt of magical energy. If the verse displays evidence that Newton's Third Law would apply, we would use it, though given the 2-A tier you're gunning for here, it wouldn't really matter regardless.
That is because this is a strawman. I'm not contending that the Zero Point isn't 2-A. I do think the cosmology blog is pretty shabby and egregious in its assumptions, but at this moment in time, what is accepted on the wiki seems to satisfy that it has done a 2-A feat. What is at issue is this scaling to any characters, since so far the only feat is "consuming and destroying" it, when it does not have any reason to have a 2-A durability.
Being able to do a 2-A ability, does not necessarily, fundamentally give 2-A durability.
1. Superman has [2-A] Laser Vision, would you not consider Doomsday to have [2-A] durability for physically tanking them? Its the same concept my guy. The Zero Point being Made Out of and Always Tanking that [2-A] Energy would undoubtable scale its Durability there as well.
This isn't an assumption, man. You are the one giving me assumptions. I am telling you that we have no reason to assume this. And no, that isn't how powerscaling works at all. If it was, glass cannons would not exist.
2. I'm sorry, but did you just indirectly call the Zero Point "class cannon"? The Only Reason these characters are mentioned here is because they are that
Big of a Threat. To be capable of threatening the literal source of All Creation is to be too dangerous to exist; That is literal explained in the comic scans I attched. Its not your average characters who are threatening it, No. These are characters who are genuinely just that powerful and are portrayed as such. This has made me realize that this is more an issue about not understanding the lore and I don't mean that in a negative way at all. Just reading a couple pages on the Fortnite wiki is not going to provide you with the full knowledge you need to accurately determine these things and I admit, I didn't really do a good job explaining some of these things. That is on me.
Because fictitious things like energy blasts do not fundamentally follow things like that. We assume Newton's Third Law for things like Hulk punching someone-- clearly his fist can tank the damage, it was part of the collision-- but not necessarily Doctor Strange generating a bolt of magical energy.
3. Lets apply that same logic; We can clearly see the Zero Point tank the damage it does using its own Energy, it's part of the collision/explosion/Implosion. The Doctor Strange example doesn't really apply because of the obvious rules on magic in Marvel and also because its well, magic, while the Zero Point is verbatim stated to be Pure Energy. If we were to remove every energy related AP/Durability feat/scaling then I can confidently say that almost all of the profiles would be affected in some way. It's really not a Zero Point issue like you're implying it is,
Almost all of fiction breaks the law of conservation energy in some form/have their own energy system that gets treated almost the same.
"Consume" means to eat. He was going to eat it. You are extrapolating from a word meaning "eat", that he was going to absorb it and gain its power, when nothing else seems to suggest this is the case.
4. Dude, what do you genuinely get by consuming something? You get energy, power and nutrients. That's the basics for humans. The Devourer, however, has an ability called "Absorption".
VSBW - Absorption is the ability to absorb something - whether it is energy or other living beings - and use it for one's self.
And what is the so called Zero Point made out of? As I've stated multiple times already, Energy. It is a Ball of Energy. And what was The Devourer stated to do to the so called Ball of Energy called the Zero Point? He was outright stated to "consume and destroy" the Zero Point.
The point I'm trying to make is that it does not matter what durability you assume the Zero Point has. The single most relevant thing is its power and energy which was going to be directly consumed by The Devourer himself.
So please, for the sake of everything, redirect your focus to this rather than something that was never brought up in the OP at all while also not being a deciding factor at all.
Newton's Third Law doesn't apply to things above a 3-D capacity (e.g., the creation of a multiverse).
5. A bit unrelated but I think this was addressed somewhere in the Tiering System FAQ; Energy/Attack Potency/Power doesn't necessarily change in higher dimensions. There's also a whole formula in the FAQ that kind of proves it. And most of what we use to Power Scale is found on 3-D basis yet we are still able to use and apply them to Higher Dimensional settings. There's no invisible ceiling to that, so I truly don't know where this is coming from.
I'm not contending that the Zero Point isn't 2-A. I do think the cosmology blog is pretty shabby and egregious in its assumptions, but at this moment in time, what is accepted on the wiki seems to satisfy that it has done a 2-A feat.
6. Lastly, could you clarify in what way you believe the Zero Point is [2-A] in terms of power/energy because I don't want to assume anything. As you mentioned, you're not disagreeing that's [2-A] but I just want to make sure we're on the same page.
'What is at issue is this scaling to any characters, since so far the only feat is "consuming and destroying" it,
when it does not have any reason to have a 2-A durability.'
So regarding this, I hope you're away Galactus (Fortnite) is scaled to possibly [2-A] because of the Zero Point itself here in the wiki. The interesting part is, the argument is almost, if not exactly the same as The Devourer argument I presented; Consume and Destroy the Zero Point. Feel free to take a look at his profile to confirm.
Also, I don't know if its intentional or not, but I think I've mentioned The Foundation and Mecha Team Leader to you quite a few times with video links as well of them directly showing [2-A] feats with the Zero Point itself.
So its not just " 'the only feat is 'consuming and destroying' ", No. There are multiple as I've already presented throughout the post and the OP itself.
