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The Ice King CRT (Fortnite).

Dalesean027 said:
This has no reason to scale to combat and reactions, nor attack speed or anything. It also doesn't specify the means but for all we know he could have used a device to teleport it.

None of this proves he physically scales to 2-A and withstanding his own cold isn't worth anything at all at best he gets resistance to cold up to the point of freezing temperatures. Fortnite also doesn't have any definable UES so he has no reason to outright physically scale to his ice creations anyways.

When it comes to the 2-A shit the scan itself literally says that he did not defeat the Devourer himself, he explicitly says he didn't so your point there makes no sense. The other dudes having technology that can alter realities does not prove that they themselves physically scale to whatever technology they are using and on that point none of this its combat applicable technology able to strike with someone with that level of Potency, even one of fights we see is just a hand 2 hand battle with some ice powers thrown in.


Count me as disagree since all of this ignores context or statements made in the scans themselves, or the evidence provided has statements that are also too vague to be directly applicable to anything
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You bring up good points Dalesean. Regarding the means he used to transport his Ice Moon, please read my previous reply to Rgerdeena, I went in to detail about how the most logical and highly supported conclusion is that he did it through physical speed. Regarding whether it would scale to his combat or reaction or attack speed, I just want to highlight that the Ice Moon is a complete body of Ice which he controls. This is a bit of interpretation on my part but I reckon he just traversed the distance and pulled it behind him as he went a long. There are Infinite stars and objects as already accepted so we have to assume he navigated around them otherwise he would crash everything around him which is very out of character and just doesn't make sense. For attack speed I give it to you.

Fortnite also doesn't have any definable UES...
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I am not familiar with what UES is; I would appreciate the information.
...so he has no reason to outright physically scale to his ice creations anyways.
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I am not sure what you mean by this. In the Chapter 7 Season 2 trailer, we can clearly see him transfer his ice into his fist and go on to fight The Foundation who keep in mind he already beat because this is a rematch. As I already mentioned, The Foundation is not to be looked at as weak. His armor has can withstand a full implosion of the Zero Point and survive it being inside it unstable for a whole season which I don't want to be repetitive but is easily [2-A]. The Ice King was trading blows with this same guy and beat him already. He has every reason to scale to his Ice Creation as I've also already mentioned, he's brought it upon himself.

When it comes to the 2-A shit the scan itself literally says that he did not defeat the Devourer himself...
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I don't know what you mean here and could you also cite the scan and what in it you are referring to. Regardless, let me mention again that even if we assume that he did not defeat The Devourer himself and has help from his allies, he literally also fought and defeated said allies by himself. There evidence is there and valid. He's also shown actively battling the monster and ended up defeating and freezing him. Had the monster not escaped by the Cosmic storm, he would've eliminated it and the other beings of power as stated in the next scan.

The other dudes having technology that can alter realities does not prove that they themselves physically scale to whatever technology they are using and on that point none of this its combat applicable technology able to strike with someone with that level of Potency, even one of fights we see is just a hand 2 hand battle with some ice powers thrown in.
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Please give the comic a quick scheme because we are shown that some of those items are blasters and heavy guns which are definitely combat applicable. I also don't know how "Alter Reality to our liking" implies its none combat applicable. To me it even sounds like it can turn the tide of almost any battle. I recommend you watch the Fortnite x Simpsons episodes to get an idea of just how powerful even a single fragment of items that powerful are. The hand to hand battle you are talking about is when they don't have said items and it also supports The Ice King scaling to that level physically as he's able to fight them physically as well as with his Ice.

Count me as disagree since all of this ignores context or statements made in the scans themselves, or the evidence provided has statements that are also too vague to be directly applicable to anything.
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Please elaborate on where context or statements made in the scans were ignored. And we have what we need (or the minimum) to apply the statements into effect as I've already demonstrated.
 
PurposeDevine00 said:
The Ice King Speed: As stated here, The Ice King was able to bring his Ice Moon to Reality Zero from another unknown Reality in an unknown amount of time. This should grant him Infinite Speed as he would've had to traverse an Infinite Distance in x amount of time (x is finite).
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Why isn't this just dimensional travel?
 
ActuallySpaceMan42 said:
Since we don't know how the speed feat was achieved, it can't really be categorized. As for the 2-A stuff, you would need more evidence that when they fought, it was using those items of power.
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Regarding Speed, I agree it might not seem explicit enough but once you dig into the lore, you are left with two options and physical navigation is the most likely and better supported one.

About the items of power, I agree more specific illustrations would help. however, what we do have is how powerful they are along with the other beings. Their existence there alone should hold enough weight to further support granting the [2-A] tier.

Also, if you haven't, please read over the other justifications for [2-A].
 
PurposeDevine00 said:
Regarding Speed, I agree it might not seem explicit enough but once you dig into the lore, you are left with two options and physical navigation is the most likely and better supported one.
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You need to provide evidence of that.
PurposeDevine00 said:
About the items of power, I agree more specific illustrations would help. however, what we do have is how powerful they are along with the other beings. Their existence there alone should hold enough weight to further support granting the [2-A] tier.
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You need proof that the 2-A items or entities in question are of that tier physically, or used them in the battle.
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That was about the Zero Point, not reality.

Galactus is scaled to Possibly [2-A] because of this too.
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You can get 2-A using absorption, but without evidence that absorption was used in the fight, or that they have 2-A durability without absorption, it wouldn't be scalable.
 
ActuallySpaceMan42 said:
You need to provide evidence of that.

You need proof that the 2-A items or entities in question are of that tier physically, or used them in the battle.

You can get 2-A using absorption, but without evidence that absorption was used in the fight, or that they have 2-A durability without absorption, it wouldn't be scalable.
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1. Regarding this, I'm going to quote a previous reply of mine as I don't know if you've seen it or not
1. As you can probably tell by his name, The Ice King's power is over Ice and Snow. This is stated multiple times throughout the game. He can create and control ice, freeze entities, create snowstorms and so on. The point I am trying to make is that his set of abilities is basically Cryokinesis. That should eliminate the idea that he did it through some sort of portal/reality transfer ability of his own. He has also never demonstrated anything like that throughout the lore.

2. It is established throughout the lore that the two primary ways of traveling to and from Realities are through Pure Portals and Sideways Rifts. The Imagined Order and The foundation both prove this to be the case. In Batman/Fortnite: Foundation (2021-) #1, The Foundation tells Batman that a Pure Portal originates from the Zero Point itself which remains linked to All Realities. He then tells Batman that a Sideways Rift between two different Realities is far more difficult to open and that they have to heal naturally which takes time or be closed from both sides at once. To summarize, these are things The Ice King doesn't have access to nor has he demonstrated using them at all throughout the lore.

3. Apart from those two mentioned ways, the other demonstrated way to travel to and from different Realities is by traversing them and the Void both of which are Infinite as mentioned before. This is demonstrated in Chapter 2 Season 7 by The Last Reality's mothership which is explicitly shown traversing and entering Reality Zero. And at that point of time, It couldn't have been through any usage of the Zero Point as it was being shielded and healed inside The Spire by The Foundation.

Now to address where The Ice King might've started started his journey and how much distance he actually covered, we must refer back to the earlier scan because if you look at the wording he uses, its clear that he started his journey in a different Reality beyond Reality Zero. He says he brought his Ice Moon to Reality Zero as he believed it was isolated and safe. The wording makes it clear that he traversed multiple Realities to get to Reality Zero which he believed was a safe and isolated one.
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2. Let's use Mecha Team Leader as an example. During the battle between The Devourer and Mecha Team Leader, Mecha proceeds to the Zero Point and physically uses its power to strike The Devourer who takes it although he gets send back high. This clearly demonstrates that he's physically capable of handling [2-A] power which traces back to The Ice King. Add in the explicit statement of being able to consume and destroy it and it aligns well.

The second example I'll use is The Foundation. As I've already mentioned, this guy can tank an implosion from the Zero Point itself and can stay within it while its unstable for a whole Season. He then gets defeated by The Ice King and now they are having a rematch and are physically trading blows. It doesn't get anymore clear than that.

3. The previous point covers this well. They show [2-A] Attack Potency and Durability and Ice King can defeat them and trade blows with them physically.
 
As you can probably tell by his name, The Ice King's power is over Ice and Snow. This is stated multiple times throughout the game. He can create and control ice, freeze entities, create snowstorms and so on. The point I am trying to make is that his set of abilities is basically Cryokinesis. That should eliminate the idea that he did it through some sort of portal/reality transfer ability of his own. He has also never demonstrated anything like that throughout the lore.
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The lack of evidence for something means it's unknown; we don't default to assumptions.
It is established throughout the lore that the two primary ways of traveling to and from Realities are through Pure Portals and Sideways Rifts. The Imagined Order and The foundation both prove this to be the case. In Batman/Fortnite: Foundation (2021-) #1, The Foundation tells Batman that a Pure Portal originates from the Zero Point itself which remains linked to All Realities. He then tells Batman that a Sideways Rift between two different Realities is far more difficult to open and that they have to heal naturally which takes time or be closed from both sides at once. To summarize, these are things The Ice King doesn't have access to nor has he demonstrated using them at all throughout the lore.
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In that case, the method he used is unknown.
2. Let's use Mecha Team Leader as an example. During the battle between The Devourer and Mecha Team Leader, Mecha proceeds to the Zero Point and physically uses its power to strike The Devourer who takes it although he gets send back high. This clearly demonstrates that he's physically capable of handling [2-A] power which traces back to The Ice King. Add in the explicit statement of being able to consume and destroy it and it aligns well.
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Can you show me the scan for this?
The second example I'll use is The Foundation. As I've already mentioned, this guy can tank an implosion from the Zero Point itself and can stay within it while its unstable for a whole Season. He then gets defeated by The Ice King and now they are having a rematch and are physically trading blows. It doesn't get anymore clear than that.
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Can I see a scan for this as well?
 
ActuallySpaceMan42 said:
The lack of evidence for something means it's unknown; we don't default to assumptions.

In that case, the method he used is unknown.

Can you show me the scan for this?

Can I see a scan for this as well?
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1 and 2. Wait what? Exhaustive and Mutually Exclusive Disjunctive Syllogism can't be used? It wouldn't really be an assumption if the other can't be true, no?

3. Mecha Team Leader and The Devourer and The Devourer will Consume and Destroy the Zero Point.

4. The Foundation and the Zero Point. The Ice King and The Foundation brawl it out.
 
ActuallySpaceMan42 said:
Well, as much as I hate chainscaling, I guess the 2-A stuff makes sense.
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Thank you. May I count your vote as a yes?

Also, I thought chain scaling was only about calcs, no?

Also, can we talk about the Exhaustive and Mutually Exclusive Disjunctive Syllogism that could apply to the Speed here?
 
PurposeDevine00 said:
Thank you. May I count your vote as a yes?
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As long as you add the scans you show me to the CRT, sure.

PurposeDevine00 said:
Also, I thought chain scaling was only about calcs, no?
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It counts characters to character.
PurposeDevine00 said:
Also, can we talk about the Exhaustive and Mutually Exclusive Disjunctive Syllogism that could apply to the Speed here?
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We typically go for the low-end interpretations.

We never seem to see him use portals or dimensional travel, but we also don't see him flying across reality. He may have moved it physically, or maybe there's some other explanation.

It's safer to just mark it as unknown, rather than giving Infinite Speed on a rocky basis.
 
ActuallySpaceMan42 said:
As long as you add the scans you show me to the CRT, sure.


It counts characters to character.

We typically go for the low-end interpretations.

We never seem to see him use portals or dimensional travel, but we also don't see him flying across reality. He may have moved it physically, or maybe there's some other explanation.

It's safer to just mark it as unknown, rather than giving Infinite Speed on a rocky basis.
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I understand. Do you think he could get Possibly Infinite Speed then? Like you mentioned, we don't really see it on screen but between that and the other option, it is definitely the more likely one to be the case.
 
Infinite speed is not gained for traveling from other universes. Disagree with that.

The Zero Point bit is more complicated, and since you don't offer much context in regards to it, I'm doing a bit of homework on the Fortnite wiki. Because I presume a level of faultiness with any information provided there, please do feel free to point out if my understanding is incorrect.

The Zero Point is a being, who was the progenitor of reality (specifically, the wiki states it was the source of the "big bangs"). From this alone, if accurate, I would call the Zero Point's actual tier High 3-A at best, as it did not create the actual multiverse; it spawned the big bang in each universe.

Moving on, though. The wiki also mentions that other realities have their own Zero Point. Is this not also an indication of a lower tier, if each universe possesses its own version of the Zero Point?

This all boils down to my final thing, though. Is it ever demonstrated that the Zero Point has dura equal to its AP? Right now, I get the impression that it is threatened by a lot of things, and its power is largely in environmental destruction.
 
Hi Mr. Bambu, you bring excellent points in your reply.
Infinite speed is not gained for traveling from other universes. Disagree with that.
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1. Infinite Speed is defined as: (Able to travel any finite distance in zero time, or move an infinite distance within a finite amount of time. Teleportation does not count. For further information, see the "Further Explanations"-section below).

As, I've already mentioned, its not him traveling from other Universes that gets him Infinite Speed, its him traversing the Infinite Space that does.

The Zero Point is a being, who was the progenitor of reality (specifically, the wiki states it was the source of the "big bangs"). From this alone, if accurate, I would call the Zero Point's actual tier High 3-A at best, as it did not create the actual multiverse; it spawned the big bang in each universe.
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2. First and foremost, No. That is not how creation happen. The Zero Point did not spawn big bangs in each Universe". The "Big Bang" as they call it was just one event before creation that resulted in the Omniverse. I suggest you read the Fortnite Cosmology page that's on VSBW as it explains well what these terms mean and the Cosmology in general. What actually happened was that in the beginning, the Zero Point spawned and created the Omniverse which is creation itself. Nothing about big bangs in each universe and the events did not even happen remotely the same way.

Moving on, though. The wiki also mentions that other realities have their own Zero Point. Is this not also an indication of a lower tier, if each universe possesses its own version of the Zero Point?
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3. Oh yeah, that wiki is beyond wrong. There is only one Zero Point in Creation (also, please send me a link to this wiki because I have never seen that claim anywhere else).

This all boils down to my final thing, though. Is it ever demonstrated that the Zero Point has dura equal to its AP? Right now, I get the impression that it is threatened by a lot of things, and its power is largely in environmental destruction.
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4. That's a good observation and you'd be right because in a verse of power hungry beings and organizations, you'd expect The Most Powerful thing to be target the most. And a pattern you'll notice is that everyone after it is also strong. There are a lot of strong beings who are trying to become the strongest or annihilate everything using the Zero Point. Also, the Zero Point isn't really a humanoid figure that fights, it's about its energy and power.
 
Sure.


It served as the source of the Big Bangs, the heart of Reality Zero, and the origin of many realities in the Omniverse.
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It was originally believed to be a completely unique being, however, other diverging timelines from Reality Zero such as the one Jones traveled to in Chapter 4: Season OG, have been found to possess one.
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As the present time Zero Point was unusable, Jones was sent in the past to use a functional version of it in order to ensure Asteria's inhabitants survival. He arrived in Reality: UN-0-C4OG, an alternate past that is already different, but similar enough for Jones to achieve his goals. Jones' mission needed him to remake The End again, but with a different intended aftermath than Reality Zero's. The Zero Point collided with the Meteor, pulling Athena into it as in Reality Zero. However, due to Jones' interference, the Black Hole exploded instead of forming like it should have. This resulted in another Big Bang, creating new galaxies and realities, including Reality: UN-88.
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It being an entity, rather than an energy source, isn't really important here. What is important to me is the distinct and explicit differences between what you tell me and what the wiki seems to tell me. Your OP doesn't do much of a job to elucidate on these differences, so I suppose I'll have to take a look through your blog and see if that smooths over the creases. Though, you didn't really give any counterfactual to the notion that it lacks 2-A/High 3-A/whatever dura, and is just able to do that stuff. Why are we inherently assuming its dura is scaled to its Environmental Destruction to begin with?
 
Mr. Bambu said:
Sure.

It being an entity, rather than an energy source, isn't really important here. What is important to me is the distinct and explicit differences between what you tell me and what the wiki seems to tell me. Your OP doesn't do much of a job to elucidate on these differences, so I suppose I'll have to take a look through your blog and see if that smooths over the creases. Though, you didn't really give any counterfactual to the notion that it lacks 2-A/High 3-A/whatever dura, and is just able to do that stuff. Why are we inherently assuming its dura is scaled to its Environmental Destruction to begin with?
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What Environmental destruction? The Zero Point is nothing like a storm or hurricane if that's what you mean. It's its own source and the source of creation. It's also blantaly stated to have Infinite Power. Also, you bring up durability when its not even a deciding factor in any of the scaling I presented. The characters scale directly from its Power/Energy as I've already explained numerous times. And in case I need to state it, it handles its own power just fine.

I once again recommend you to read the Official Fortnite Cosmology page on VSBW and not the Fortnite wiki as it does not explain the contents in terms of scaling. And there's also nothing I've told you that the wiki hasn't either.
 
If you've presented a reason for this to scale beyond my concerns, then those reasons aren't in the OP. Your reasoning in the OP amounts to the Ice King fighting entities who threatened the Zero Point. But threatening the Zero Point is only a 2-A feat if the Zero Point has 2-A dura. My impression, then, at present, is that there isn't anything to suggest it has this 2-A dura. I am asking you to fill in this gap. If you've done so already, aside from the OP, then please link me to the post you believe successfully does so.
 
PurposeDevine00 said:
What Environmental destruction? The Zero Point is nothing like a storm or hurricane if that's what you mean. It's its own source and the source of creation. It's also blantaly stated to have Infinite Power. Also, you bring up durability when its not even a deciding factor in any of the scaling I presented. The characters scale directly from its Power/Energy as I've already explained numerous times. And in case I need to state it, it handles its own power just fine.

I once again recommend you to read the Official Fortnite Cosmology page on VSBW and not the Fortnite wiki as it does not explain the contents in terms of scaling. And there's also nothing I've told you that the wiki hasn't either.
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also, and this is just me being nitpicky or whatever, and is not relevant to the contention of the CRT, but asking me repeatedly to use this blog, which then links back to the Fortnite wiki, to establish that the Zero Point is a sentient entity, after you argued it wasn't, by referencing the blog, is sending my mind into an insane downward spiral, what happened there lol
 
Your reasoning in the OP amounts to the Ice King fighting entities who threatened the Zero Point.
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1. This is not true at all. If you scroll to the bottom of the OP and look at the conclusion/proposal section, you'd see there are other pieces of evidence to justify the [2-A] rating. The ones I can easily recall are Mecha Team Leader and The Devourer fight and The Foundation in the Zero Crisis event.

Also, you got the idea that the rating only comes from physically threatening the Zero Point. If you would kindly reread the OP and look for where I repeatedly highlighted that The Devourer would consume and destroy the Zero Point. Again, consume and destroy. The Foundation and Mecha Team Leader are also a similar case, they scale off directly its power, not its durability or whatever way you're trying to make it out to be.

And as far as skepticism goes, you need at least a basis for it. Why do you automatically assume the Zero Point doesn't have [2-A] durability? I mean was it not clearly depicted enough that it can handle its own [2-A] power just fine? It's own creation energy blast?

My impression, then, at present, is that there isn't anything to suggest it has this 2-A dura.
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Same with this, how did you reach this conclusion? Out of everyone who has commented, you're the only one who reached this.

I'll link the concluding part of the OP, watch the YouTube links, very important:
Conclusion/Proposal

Speed - The Ice King should get the Infinite Speed Rating for traversing an Infinite, Distance with his Ice Moon.

Attack Potency/Durability - The Ice King should have his Attack Potency and Durability upgraded to Multiverse Level+ [2-A] for being able to battle and defeat characters with Reality Altering Items of power as well as a Being capable of Threatening to Consume and Destroy the Zero Point itself.

Additional: Mecha Team Leader and The Devourer fight. As mentioned already, The Ice King can beat The Devourer. The Foundation's experience with the Zero Point. The Ice King and The Foundation brawl it out.
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Mr. Bambu said:
also, and this is just me being nitpicky or whatever, and is not relevant to the contention of the CRT, but asking me repeatedly to use this blog, which then links back to the Fortnite wiki, to establish that the Zero Point is a sentient entity, after you argued it wasn't, by referencing the blog, is sending my mind into an insane downward spiral, what happened there lol
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I was referring to its "physically" appearance. Its a ball of energy.
 
PurposeDevine00 said:
I was referring to its "physically" appearance. Its a ball of energy.
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yeah but it's also a guy. the cosmology blog defends this perspective, is all, lol.

PurposeDevine00 said:
1. This is not true at all. If you scroll to the bottom of the OP and look at the conclusion/proposal section, you'd see there are other pieces of evidence to justify the [2-A] rating. The ones I can easily recall are Mecha Team Leader and The Devourer fight and The Foundation in the Zero Crisis event.

Also, you got the idea that the rating only comes from physically threatening the Zero Point. If you would kindly reread the OP and look for where I repeatedly highlighted that The Devourer would consume and destroy the Zero Point. Again, consume and destroy. The Foundation and Mecha Team Leader are also a similar case, they scale off directly its power, not its durability or whatever way you're trying to make it out to be.

And as far as skepticism goes, you need at least a basis for it. Why do you automatically assume the Zero Point doesn't have [2-A] durability? I mean was it not clearly depicted enough that it can handle its own [2-A] power just fine? It's own creation energy blast?


Same with this, how did you reach this conclusion? Out of everyone who has commented, you're the only one who reached this.

I'll link the concluding part of the OP, watch the YouTube links, very important:
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fighting the Devourer, is only a 2-A feat, if the Devourer threatening the Zero Point is a 2-A feat. Which leads back to my original request for verification that this would be a 2-A feat. If I have a gun that does a 2-A feat, snapping the gun in two does not necessarily make me 2-A as well. "Consume and destroy" are not meaningfully different than "physically threaten". Why would that oblige us to rate things at 2-A, over physically threatening it? Again, you're not giving me any meaningful data to work with here. I assume there is some internal logic, but you aren't giving me that, just your end conclusion. There's no reason for the Devourer to scale directly off its creation of the multiverse, just because it "consumes and destroys" it.

That's not how it works at all. We don't automatically assume it has 2-A dura. There has to be a reason for us to assume that. Newton's Third Law doesn't apply to 2-A, nor energy blasts.

I came to that conclusion because nothing so far has suggested it has 2-A dura, and you have not given me any reason to assume that. That I am the first to point out this flaw does not make it invalid. It remains a flaw.
 
Mr. Bambu said:
yeah but it's also a guy. the cosmology blog defends this perspective, is all, lol.


fighting the Devourer, is only a 2-A feat, if the Devourer threatening the Zero Point is a 2-A feat. Which leads back to my original request for verification that this would be a 2-A feat. If I have a gun that does a 2-A feat, snapping the gun in two does not necessarily make me 2-A as well. "Consume and destroy" are not meaningfully different than "physically threaten". Why would that oblige us to rate things at 2-A, over physically threatening it? Again, you're not giving me any meaningful data to work with here. I assume there is some internal logic, but you aren't giving me that, just your end conclusion. There's no reason for the Devourer to scale directly off its creation of the multiverse, just because it "consumes and destroys" it.

That's not how it works at all. We don't automatically assume it has 2-A dura. There has to be a reason for us to assume that. Newton's Third Law doesn't apply to 2-A, nor energy blasts.

I came to that conclusion because nothing so far has suggested it has 2-A dura, and you have not given me any reason to assume that. That I am the first to point out this flaw does not make it invalid. It remains a flaw.
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1. The reason I'm not posting another huge essay is because I've already so twice and everyone but you understands it just fine. Everything I used to reach my conclusion I have provided in the OP which I highly recommend you look at again.

Your gun analogy is wrong on so many levels but the most obvious one is that by gun, I don't assume you mean any conventional one because obviously they can't even shoot Tier 8 bullets let alone Tier 2 bullets.
Given the circumstances that said gun can fully physically withstand the [2-A] blast, then yes, it would scale to it physically and yes, snapping would grant you said Tier.

It seems to me like you've already predetermined in your mind that the Zero Point is some sort of thing that just can't candle its own power for whatever reason. I kindly ask you to look at the presented information with an open mind.

"Consume and destroy" are not meaningfully different than "physically threaten".
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2. I didn't think I had to say it but It seems I do. Consume, from whatever dictionary you can find, simply means to absorb or in this case at least. So to simply put it, he was going to absorb the Zero Point. Done and set. Even another staff member pointed it out.

There's no reason for the Devourer to scale directly off its creation of the multiverse, just because it "consumes and destroys" it.
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3. And why may that be? This is another assumption you've baselessly thrown out. As far as scaling goes, if x can consume and destroy y that has done z feat and is rated at tier a, then logically, x would scale to tier a via reasons stated.

That's not how it works at all. We don't automatically assume it has 2-A dura. There has to be a reason for us to assume that. Newton's Third Law doesn't apply to 2-A, nor energy blasts.
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4. Is it not the opposite?
Regardless, there's no need to assume anything when its outright shown to you. And since when does the 3rd law not apply? Its not even like its what's being applied here. And if energy blasts tanked physically doesn't grant durability, I really want to know what you think does. Most of durability scaling comes off surviving x attack (AP) on one's body, no? I'm interested to know what and why there's an exception here.

5. And once again, regardless of durability, you have not address the power it holds which is what actually matters in terms of this scale. I would appreciate if you address that if you had anything to say. W could even throw out the durability thing and it still wouldn't change the scale. The characters I mentioned weren't punching the zero point if that's what you're envisioning, they were directly scaling to it's energy.
 
If everything you've used to reach your conclusion is in the OP, then your reasoning is insufficient.

I did not assume you would get hung up on the gun analogy, given what I previously mentioned. Being able to do a 2-A ability, does not necessarily, fundamentally give 2-A durability. The things are often connected, but it is not the base case. You've said, at this point, that the CRT more or less hinges on this assumption being true, but it is not.

I haven't predetermined anything, and the accusatory half-insults are going to become tiring very quickly. I asked you to defend the assumption that the Zero Point had a 2-A dura, and you haven't. You have simply suggested I take it at face value. This is not the standard of the wiki.

2. I didn't think I had to say it but It seems I do. Consume, from whatever dictionary you can find, simply means to absorb or in this case at least. So to simply put it, he was going to absorb the Zero Point. Done and set. Even another staff member pointed it out.
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This is such an egregious leap of logic that I don't even know where to begin.

"Consume" means to eat. He was going to eat it. You are extrapolating from a word meaning "eat", that he was going to absorb it and gain its power, when nothing else seems to suggest this is the case.

You have constantly appealed to authority in this discussion (more or less deriding me for not falling in line with the evaluations of other staff members), when this does not fix the inherent flaws in the assumptions you lay out. That they glossed over them is not my issue.

3. And why may that be? This is another assumption you've baselessly thrown out. As far as scaling goes, if x can consume and destroy y that has done z feat and is rated at tier a, then logically, x would scale to tier a via reasons stated.
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This isn't an assumption, man. You are the one giving me assumptions. I am telling you that we have no reason to assume this. And no, that isn't how powerscaling works at all. If it was, glass cannons would not exist. We require satisfactory reasoning for a character to scale in durability and AP. 99% of the time, that is indeed the case, characters and objects frequently and typically do share them, but it is not the fundamental truth of the matter. It does not require an exception for me to ask you to give me the reasoning-- for something to be taken as true, we need a reason to do so. You have given me literally no reason to follow your assumptions, and instead have gotten rather aggressive when asked to provide reasoning at all.

4. Is it not the opposite?
Regardless, there's no need to assume anything when its outright shown to you. And since when does the 3rd law not apply? Its not even like its what's being applied here. And if energy blasts tanked physically doesn't grant durability, I really want to know what you think does. Most of durability scaling comes off surviving x attack (AP) on one's body, no? I'm interested to know what and why there's an exception here.
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It is not.

You haven't outright shown anything.

Newton's Third Law doesn't apply to things above a 3-D capacity (e.g., the creation of a multiverse).

Because fictitious things like energy blasts do not fundamentally follow things like that. We assume Newton's Third Law for things like Hulk punching someone-- clearly his fist can tank the damage, it was part of the collision-- but not necessarily Doctor Strange generating a bolt of magical energy. If the verse displays evidence that Newton's Third Law would apply, we would use it, though given the 2-A tier you're gunning for here, it wouldn't really matter regardless.

5. And once again, regardless of durability, you have not address the power it holds which is what actually matters in terms of this scale. I would appreciate if you address that if you had anything to say. W could even throw out the durability thing and it still wouldn't change the scale. The characters I mentioned weren't punching the zero point if that's what you're envisioning, they were directly scaling to it's energy.
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That is because this is a strawman. I'm not contending that the Zero Point isn't 2-A. I do think the cosmology blog is pretty shabby and egregious in its assumptions, but at this moment in time, what is accepted on the wiki seems to satisfy that it has done a 2-A feat. What is at issue is this scaling to any characters, since so far the only feat is "consuming and destroying" it, when it does not have any reason to have a 2-A durability.
 
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