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One Piece: Reevaluating Quakes.

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EtherealCrater said:
Those included but my point was that if the worldwide earthquake never happened then other characters couldn't possibly scale to it.
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EtherealCrater said:
if the worldwide earthquake never happened then all those characters wouldn't scale to that value.
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I’m a little late, but just clarifying about this, it was never accepted that the whitebeard worldwide quake actually happened. That upgrade and calculation was based upon his capability to shake the world with that level of force. So the worldwide quake would not need to actually happen for other characters to scale to it in possibility.
 
Since we're not keen on upgrading the magnitude of the quake from the MF should we keep it at 6 like in KT's original calc? Should we also just have KT update the calc instead of making a new blog for it?
 
EtherealCrater said:
Since we're not keen on upgrading the magnitude of the quake from the MF should we keep it at 6 like in KT's original calc? Should we also just have KT update the calc instead of making a new blog for it?
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Do reverse mountain shaking at mag 5-6 with half the circumference of the planet
 
KingTempest said:
Do reverse mountain shaking at mag 5-6 with half the circumference of the planet
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"(6) + 0.084 + 1.66*log10(2,476,085) = 16.6976508117

10^(1.5×(16.6976508117)+4.8) = 7.0222 × 10^29 Joules = 167.83 Exatons of TNT"

Basically, Mag of 6 and distance of half circumference of planet should replace the previous method 1.
 
Mag 7 was agreed in the initial thread but Mag 6 got accepted in the calc by Floxy, so unless someone agrees to the Mag 7 version that was agreed to prior, we stick with mag 6
 
KingTempest said:
Mag 7 was agreed in the initial thread but Mag 6 got accepted in the calc by Floxy, so unless someone agrees to the Mag 7 version that was agreed to prior, we stick with mag 6
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Wouldn't that require a CRT to revert it back to Mag 6?
 
KingTempest said:
Not rly ig? Idk
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If it required a CRT to increase it, I don't see why a CRT wouldn't be needed to decrease it. There's rules for a reason, if staff members can just ignore accepted content in favor of what they believe then there's a problem.
 
KingTempest said:
Mag 7 was agreed in the initial thread but Mag 6 got accepted in the calc by Floxy, so unless someone agrees to the Mag 7 version that was agreed to prior, we stick with mag 6
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Yeah, my evaluation doesn't really count as a disagreement for higher ends, so if y'all get that accepted it'll be just fine.
EtherealCrater said:
If it required a CRT to increase it, I don't see why a CRT wouldn't be needed to decrease it. There's rules for a reason, if staff members can just ignore accepted content in favor of what they believe then there's a problem.
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I'm not necessarily arguing that it's explicitly mag 6. Not to mention that this assumption falls more within CGT area if you ask me.

You can assume that I ignored the calc if you'd like to.
 
Do we need to ping somebody for help here? 🙏
 
What do they need to evaluate exactly? Please provide links and/or summaries. 🙏
 
We just need someone to approve the Mag 7 end as that is the magnitude that is accepted for those "world destroying" quakes.
 
Bump. It's been 51 days since the start of this thread. Can a CGM PLEASE approve the Mag 7 end already so we can put this thread out of it's misery?
 
Billybobjoe321 said:
I’m a little late, but just clarifying about this, it was never accepted that the whitebeard worldwide quake actually happened. That upgrade and calculation was based upon his capability to shake the world with that level of force. So the worldwide quake would not need to actually happen for other characters to scale to it in possibility.
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I'm not sure if I should point it out or not, but especially with actual shock wave/earthquake/vibration-based powers, the actual utilized amount of power to cause massive tremors a long distance away wouldn't necessarily need to be high enough to directly cause the far away earthquake in question.

It would at minimum just need be big enough to trigger preexisting strain-based conditions or to otherwise disturb the existing equilibrium. See also here:

ozgeology.com

The Big Impact of Small Quakes: Shaking Up the Rhythm of Tectonic Tremors

A fiery fissure erupts at dusk, casting molten lava into the darkening sky—a powerful reminder of Earth’s deep seismic rhythms. Dive into our blog exploring how even small quakes can disrupt the quiet harmony of tectonic tremors, and what that means for predicting big earthquakes.
ozgeology.com


www.nature.com

Frictional healing and induced earthquakes on conventionally stable faults - Nature Communications

Numerical modeling shows that even conventionally stable faults can host human-induced earthquakes after geological ages of fault strength development, but future earthquakes are less hazardous – highlighting complex risks in subsurface energy use.
www.nature.com www.nature.com


Be that as it might be, Gura Gura no Mi might come closer to vibration hax/elemental control than raw output in that it could possibly leverage environmental conditions to cause this effect. So the possibility of the feat itself being hax and/or technique-based environmental destruction, i.e. not direct combat output, isn't exactly small.

On that note, I also vaguely remember something along the lines of earthquakes up to magnitude 6 being possible basically everywhere on earth (the question is how high the probability of it happening actually is, of course) due to preexisting strain alone (the value might be higher on significantly larger planets and/or on those more susceptible), though I would need to look up some usable source for that first as it has been years since I read about that detail in particular.

Some vaguely related stuff:

Earthquakes among the greatest risks facing Switzerland

On 7 March 2023, Switzerland's federal government published its first systematic assessment of the impact of earthquakes on Switzerland's residents, buildings and infrastructure. © Jovani Carlo Gor
lenews.ch lenews.ch

www.usgs.gov

Earthquake Facts & Earthquake Fantasy

Fact or Fiction?
www.usgs.gov www.usgs.gov

www.usgs.gov

What is the likelihood of a large earthquake at location X? Is it safe to go to X since they've been having a lot of earthquakes lately?

The National Seismic Hazards Mapping project provides an online Web tool for determining the probability of a large earthquake within 50 kilometers (~31 miles) of a specific location in the United States over a certain time period. The calculation is based on the latest available information...
www.usgs.gov www.usgs.gov
 
Schattenbach said:
It would at minimum just need be big enough to trigger preexisting strain-based conditions or to otherwise disturb the existing equilibrium.
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Unless we believe that the entire surface of the OP planet is extremely fragile and full of instabilities, to the point that even a regular earthquake has the risk to cause all landscapes/islands to instantly collapse and sink into the ocean, i don't believe this can be the case.

Like in real like you need events akin to the Chicxulub Asteroid Impact to generate seismic energy intense enough to trigger tsunamis, volcanic eruptions, and destroying habitats worldwide, and that didn't make the entire planet surface to collapse.

Even when Imu used his Ancient Weapon to destroy the Lulusia Kingdom, creating a massive hole in the process and triggering at least a magnitude 6 worldwide earthquake it didn't bring the world to the end beside rising in sea level of 1 meter, and it was stated that this wasn't the first time it happen.
 
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Stefano4444 said:
Unless we believe that the entire surface of the OP planet is extremely fragile and full of instabilities, to the point that even a regular earthquake has the risk to cause all landscapes/islands to instantly collapse and sink into the ocean, i don't believe this can be the case.
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Thanks for the feedback. I don't remember talking something about the surface somehow being made out of extremely brittle stuff or simple impacts or earthquakes happening somehow cause massive global chain reactions like some kind of elaborate cosmic quantum equilibrium collapse leading to instant cataclysm; so to clarify some of the things I'm talking about: I'm talking about the predisposition for earthquakes happening already being there (to some degree, see also the lower part of my previous post), so powers that specialize in manipulate shock waves/vibrations/earthquakes would just need to work with what is already there to get such results (though some extremely powerful wide-area effects might potentially also have a slightly easier time to be "noticed", but that is a different topic).
Stefano4444 said:
Like in real like you need events akin to the Chicxulub Asteroid Impact to generate seismic energy intense enough to trigger tsunamis, volcanic eruptions, and destroying habitats worldwide, and that didn't make the entire planet surface to collapse.
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That impact only had ~23 Teratontnt, though (~72 Teratontnt if generous), and the biggest issue it apparently caused wasn't the seismic activity (or the debris) causing trouble, but that the heat pulse caused atmospheric trouble by setting lots of trees on fire and whatever, causing raging wildfires (which then also generously polluted the atmosphere).
Stefano4444 said:
Even when Imu used his Ancient Weapon to destroy the Lulusia Kingdom, creating a massive hole in the process and triggering at least a magnitude 6 worldwide earthquake it didn't bring the world to the end beside rising in sea level of 1 meter, and it was stated that this wasn't the first time it happen.
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One could actually argue that the wide-spread/global effect of the Gura Gura no Mi (not at all unlike that of at least some of the Ancient Weapons, likely including Poseidon, the countless sea king manipulating island destroyer) wouldn't necessarily fall into typical combat attack output, but under some variant environmental destruction. Leveraging existing environmental conditions (like baseline crustal strain and already existing friction in seismic more sensitive areas) to cause widespread effects seems like exactly the thing I would expect a supernatural ability based "Quake Quake Fruit" to do? Well, just to muse on some points I noticed regarding this topic.
 
Schattenbach said:
One could actually argue that the wide-spread/global effect of the Gura Gura no Mi (not at all unlike that of at least some of the Ancient Weapons, likely including Poseidon, the countless sea king manipulating island destroyer) wouldn't necessarily fall into typical combat attack output, but under some variant environmental destruction. Leveraging existing environmental conditions (like baseline crustal strain and already existing friction in seismic more sensitive areas) to cause widespread effects seems like exactly the thing I would expect a supernatural ability based "Quake Quake Fruit" to do? Well, just to muse on some points I noticed regarding this topic.
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It could be sure, but at the same time there wasn't any direct implication that the Gura's user must utilize specific conditions to perform this feat, like Sengoku didn't make any mention of this and neither any other guidebooks (which they would definitely mention if it was the case), so its still feasible to assume (for now at least) that those statements are meant to rappresent the true extend of the Gura's raw destructive power.

And as Quake users have show that they can infuse their quakes into their physical attacks be punches or their weapons, as well as having some degree of AoE control so that the full force remain concentrated rather than disperse all over the place, meaning its more than likely that when fighting without holding back both WB and Teach can dish out attacks on that level of power, and because of how Admirals and Emperors are treated as relatively all Top Tiers should scale to this.
 
Stefano4444 said:
It could be sure, but at the same time there wasn't any direct implication that the Gura's user must utilize specific conditions to perform this feat, like Sengoku didn't make any mention of this and neither any other guidebooks (which they would definitely mention if it was the case), so its still feasible to assume (for now at least) that those statements are meant to rappresent the true extend of the Gura's raw destructive power.

And as Quake users have show that they can infuse their quakes into their physical attacks be punches or their weapons, as well as having some degree of AoE control so that the full force remain concentrated rather than disperse all over the place, meaning its more than likely that when fighting without holding back both WB and Teach can dish out attacks on that level of power, and because of how Admirals and Emperors are treated as relatively all Top Tiers should scale to this.
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Whether the true nature of these quakes is that or something else, or the overall values of these quakes are only environmental destruction, he would still likely need to provide some fraction of the required energy himself. That fraction of which could then be converted in appropriate Attack Potency if the focused utilization uses these same quakes. What those fraction values might be, I've no idea, though a gut feeling would put it somewhere between 1% and 30% of the appropriate value of the earthquake feat itself; but as I've said, I don't know, so others would have to figure out what seems like realistic numbers. (I would spontaneously guess that the realistic fraction is actually becoming higher if the evaluated planet size is getting smaller/closer to earth size as then Whitebeard's/etc. relative contribution to those quakes would be bigger; if one assumes that bigger planet=higher crustal strain, higher pre-existing friction and whatever else. At earth size, long distance Magnitude 7 or so quakes ... would the background friction/stress/etc. on it's own situation even allow for such quakes to take place on near global scale? Seems somewhat impropabel at first glance, so maybe quite a lot or even most of it would, in such a scenario, likely be the user's own contribution one way or another).
 
It seems like it hasn't gotten any input.

@EtherealCrater as I said I don't find it sufficient for mag 7, but since it was accepted in a CRT I won't oppose it any longer.
 
Bump, pretty sure all we need is a CGM to evaluate the Mother Flame calc and we're good to conclude the thread and implement them.
 
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